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 schoon wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
So is this not coming in time for Christmas or what

Only GW knows and they're not telling...

I'm beginning to think even GW doesn't know. Bear in mind that they have to rework thousands of boxes alongside everything else they have to be doing, AND they'll need to make damn certain that the wrong books get discarded and don't accidentally slip through.

Not to mention the possibility they're still waiting to get the books.

18th would be pretty bad for preorders as people will already be budgeting for the gak revealed on the preview show the night prior.

 Flinty wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I think at this point it’s probably not

Unless I have it somehow confused I think we had a rumor that Legions Imperialis is supposed to get a November pre-order. I know this whole nonsense keeps dragging on, but it's still too early to rule out a 2023 release.

And on the bright side, if you think the game won't get released before Christmas and GW insists that it comes out sooner than you think, we're good. Right?

Catastrophising for a moment, The risk is that by the time they actually get any prices out there, a large portion of the available fans have already committed their Christmas funds to other things and the whole thing is a damp squib. This leads to a downward spiral of support and corporate interest and we all end up wearing sackcloth and toiling in the mines for our new robot overlords… or something.

That's certainly a possibility. Also don't forget the withering fields. I think there should be withering fields in there somewhere.

The thing is, what are they going to do? They've ordered a ton of new books on super short notice that need printing, packing and shipping. Even short delays will make themselves felt disproportionately and there's precious little they can do to compensate for it if the goal is to release with a delay rather than finding a wholly new release slot sometime later, which it seems is a given the way GW operates.

One would hope that any performance analysis at GW keeps that in mind.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Not to mention the possibility they're still waiting to get the books.

That seems unlikely given the leaks & inside info we have so far:

Review copies were sent to content creators in early July, resulting in the first rules leaks. GW have therefore very likely been aware of any issues at some point that month, and started on plan B.

There was a noticable point in mid-July where WarCom preview articles built up to almost daily, then randomly stopped for a week. That indicates a change of plan, so there's a good chance any replacements were ordered by the end of July.

We know from ex-staff that GW can get books printed in the UK with 4-week leadtimes.

There was a further leak in October showing a shrink-wrapped rulebook with 'printed in the UK' on the back. That's most likely to be a replacement copy sent back to reviewers.

That's further supported by the post on the last page saying that a content creator will be doing a public online review for LI this month.

Obviously the biggest bottleneck to this situation is getting all of the launch boxes repacked. If GW had arranged for airfreight delivery of the books to their regional distribution centres in September or October latest, then I think that's plenty of time to get everything sorted out and released this year.

So do we know it wont be previewed today or is it all guess work?

Well remember, they pribably aren't just having to repack those books in the UK, they are having to do it globally. It sounds like at the time they realized the issue they were already positioning stock for launch and had atocks in distribution centers around the world. I expect GW is printing the revised books in the UK and probably air freight ingredients them overseas and then having to repack them in the field for major markets, and they might not be set up for that. Then you have minor markets (ex - Japan) where they might not have the infrastructure to support that, they might need to send pallets of LI to somewhere in Aus/NZ, repack them there, and then ship back to Japan.

The alternative is they had to ship everything back to the UK and then ship it back to the field, but that seems excessive.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well remember, they pribably aren't just having to repack those books in the UK, they are having to do it globally. It sounds like at the time they realized the issue they were already positioning stock for launch and had atocks in distribution centers around the world. I expect GW is printing the revised books in the UK and probably air freight ingredients them overseas and then having to repack them in the field for major markets, and they might not be set up for that. Then you have minor markets (ex - Japan) where they might not have the infrastructure to support that, they might need to send pallets of LI to somewhere in Aus/NZ, repack them there, and then ship back to Japan.

The alternative is they had to ship everything back to the UK and then ship it back to the field, but that seems excessive.

but if all that were the case, why drop an article saying 'sooner than you think'?

Also in the latest Heresy Thursday they said "Come back next week for another edition of Heresy Thursday, as we approach the release of Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Legions Imperialis" so I would be really surprised if we didn't get a preorder this month

VAYASEN wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well remember, they pribably aren't just having to repack those books in the UK, they are having to do it globally. It sounds like at the time they realized the issue they were already positioning stock for launch and had atocks in distribution centers around the world. I expect GW is printing the revised books in the UK and probably air freight ingredients them overseas and then having to repack them in the field for major markets, and they might not be set up for that. Then you have minor markets (ex - Japan) where they might not have the infrastructure to support that, they might need to send pallets of LI to somewhere in Aus/NZ, repack them there, and then ship back to Japan.

The alternative is they had to ship everything back to the UK and then ship it back to the field, but that seems excessive.

but if all that were the case, why drop an article saying 'sooner than you think'?

Extreme hopium overdose on GW's part. Working in a factory myself, this kind of rework always takes longer than you'd like to think.

I don't know why, but I expect a low release preview like last week....

 Matrindur wrote:
The current rumors are: (Preorder dates)
Battleforces 11th Nov
Admech/Necrons 18th Nov
Legions Imperialis 25th Nov

And we only have to wait 8 more hours to see if this turns out true

Current rumour is the 18th pre order with release on the 2nd of dec, gets it up before black friday/cyber monday so people don't blow all their money on a big tv or other stuff.

The only definitive thing that we have now for a release date is a statement right around the postponement announcing later this year. Subsequent statements haven't said anything definite. Even "Sooner than you think" doesn't mean much in marketing speak.

I still expect that it will come out this year. But I'm not ruling out that it's quietly been pushed back to early next.

Sounds like nobody is expecting it getting announced tonight then?

VAYASEN wrote:
Sounds like nobody is expecting it getting announced tonight then?

I'm hoping it does, if only to end all this tiresome speculation.

VAYASEN wrote:
Sounds like nobody is expecting it getting announced tonight then?

Just got back from having my shoes shined...

The main thing I'm expecting today is Kill Team, as this is realistically the last slot that would be an Autumn release as the roadmap said.

It's entirely possible that launches alone, alongside LI, or alongside battleforces as well.

Two content creators said recently that both of them already received the revised rulebook and that their embargo would end „mid November“.
This suggest, that all ducks are in a row again and the release/preorder is indeed within the next four weeks or so.

Really hoping we get a announcement soon (er than we think), because I'm starting to get really afraid that GW will have the tentation to get everything pushed together to bring it back "on schedule" and clear inventory space, which would bring release fatigue for the audience. And if sales aren't up to GW's expectations, the game could get AI-ed soon (er than we think as well).

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/05/sunday-preview-christmas-army-boxes-are-the-best-presents-around/

No LI today

Probably next week then.

Next Week: KillTeam, LI never...

I am going to die of old age before LI comes out at this rate.

I already feel needing walking stick when going to pick up the set.

 Matrindur wrote:
The current rumors are: (Preorder dates)
Battleforces 11th Nov
Admech/Necrons 18th Nov
Legions Imperialis 25th Nov

And we only have to wait 8 more hours to see if this turns out true

So far, so accurate.

 xttz wrote:
The main thing I'm expecting today is Kill Team, as this is realistically the last slot that would be an Autumn release as the roadmap said.

It's entirely possible that launches alone, alongside LI, or alongside battleforces as well.

In spite of what some people would have you believe, there are twenty days of fall in December.

Which doesn't preclude the possibility that Kill Team is delayed, of course.

 Geifer wrote:
In spite of what some people would have you believe, there are twenty days of fall in December.

Which doesn't preclude the possibility that Kill Team is delayed, of course.

GW doesn't work by Fall, but by Autumn; we here in the UK generally just divide the seasons neatly by starting at certain months.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
In spite of what some people would have you believe, there are twenty days of fall in December.

Which doesn't preclude the possibility that Kill Team is delayed, of course.

GW doesn't work by Fall, but by Autumn; we here in the UK generally just divide the seasons neatly by starting at certain months.

I doubt I'm the only Brit reading this who's not so sure about that. I certainly don't and, from a quick check, even the Meteorological Office says "Usually, when we talk about the first day of autumn we are referring to the astronomical autumn which is defined by the Earth's axis and orbit around the Sun.

This year autumn begins on 23 September 2023 and ends on 22 December 2023." (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start#:~:text=By%20the%20meteorological%20calendar%2C%20the,December%2C%20January%2C%20February).)

So, yes, meteorological autumn comes up plenty but I don't think it's accurate to say we "generally" use it, nor is it sensible therefore to assume it's what GW mean by it.

 Geifer wrote:
In spite of what some people would have you believe, there are twenty days of fall in December.

Which doesn't preclude the possibility that Kill Team is delayed, of course.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

GW doesn't work by Fall, but by Autumn; we here in the UK generally just divide the seasons neatly by starting at certain months.

Indeed. In spite of what some people believe there are two accepted definitions for when seasons occur. GW have consistently used the meteorological definition on their roadmaps, so winter is Dec/Jan/Feb.

What has been a little fuzzy is if they're referring to the preorder or in-store date,

Greenfield wrote:
I doubt I'm the only Brit reading this who's not so sure about that. I certainly don't and, from a quick check, even the Meteorological Office says "Usually, when we talk about the first day of autumn we are referring to the astronomical autumn which is defined by the Earth's axis and orbit around the Sun.

This year autumn begins on 23 September 2023 and ends on 22 December 2023." (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start#:~:text=By%20the%20meteorological%20calendar%2C%20the,December%2C%20January%2C%20February).)

So, yes, meteorological autumn comes up plenty but I don't think it's accurate to say we "generally" use it, nor is it sensible therefore to assume it's what GW mean by it.

Who ever listens to what the Met Office says? Even on their own website they say:

The Met Office wrote:However, at the Met Office, we often use a meteorological definition of the seasons. By the meteorological calendar, the first day of winter is always 1 December; ending on 28 (or 29 during a Leap Year) February.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/winter/when-does-winter-start#:~:text=Meteorological%20winter,-However%2C%20at%20the&text=By%20the%20meteorological%20calendar%2C%20the,during%20a%20Leap%20Year)%20February.

Still no rumors on the price of the box set, right?

Also, did they ever announce a standalone infantry kit for Marines or Auxilia? I was just going through a bunch of the Warcom posts, I saw where they announced tanks, support units, and all that other stuff, but theres nothing for the basic troops and poor bloody infantry. One would expect that to be part of the launch wave, and if not then certainly included not long after release, but as best I can tell theres nothing. Possible the Legions Imperialis launch box will be like the Age of Darkness box and be a regular stock item? Otherwise, whoever doesn't score themselves a copy or two of the launch box won't really be able to build an army for the game unless a vehicle and dreadnought only force is an option?

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Greenfield wrote:
I doubt I'm the only Brit reading this who's not so sure about that. I certainly don't and, from a quick check, even the Meteorological Office says "Usually, when we talk about the first day of autumn we are referring to the astronomical autumn which is defined by the Earth's axis and orbit around the Sun.

This year autumn begins on 23 September 2023 and ends on 22 December 2023." (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start#:~:text=By%20the%20meteorological%20calendar%2C%20the,December%2C%20January%2C%20February).)

So, yes, meteorological autumn comes up plenty but I don't think it's accurate to say we "generally" use it, nor is it sensible therefore to assume it's what GW mean by it.

Who ever listens to what the Met Office says? Even on their own website they say:

The Met Office wrote:However, at the Met Office, we often use a meteorological definition of the seasons. By the meteorological calendar, the first day of winter is always 1 December; ending on 28 (or 29 during a Leap Year) February.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/winter/when-does-winter-start#:~:text=Meteorological%20winter,-However%2C%20at%20the&text=By%20the%20meteorological%20calendar%2C%20the,during%20a%20Leap%20Year)%20February.

Yes, of course they mention both – I'm just questioning whether it's accurate to say we "generally" use the meteorological seasons. I don't, and couldn't safely generalise about everyone else, and am simply pointing out that the Met Office's site says we "usually" talk about autumn in the astronomical sense. You might be right – I don't know – but it's a generalisation I can't see much evidence for.

No mention of any LI (or even Adeptus Titanicus) box sets up for Christmas pre order?