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 Matrindur wrote:
I'm currently reading through the rules and did I get it correct that you can't premeasure shooting attacks in this game? It says you choose the firing detachment and the target, then the weapons and then you measure the distance and compare if your weapons are in range. It doesn't specify if you can't measure before that but I would assume so based on the wording.

Measuring Distances
In Legions Imperialis, distances are measured in inches (")
using a tape measure or range ruler. Players can measure
distances whenever they wish during the course of
a battle

 Matrindur wrote:
I'm currently reading through the rules and did I get it correct that you can't premeasure shooting attacks in this game? It says you choose the firing detachment and the target, then the weapons and then you measure the distance and compare if your weapons are in range. It doesn't specify if you can't measure before that but I would assume so based on the wording.

If it is worded in that way, I would say that no pre-measuring is permitted. Having a line saying "no pre-measuring is allowed" would probably have helped though..

That would also line it up with SM2 version of the game, although I know some things have changed.

 Pacific wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
I'm currently reading through the rules and did I get it correct that you can't premeasure shooting attacks in this game? It says you choose the firing detachment and the target, then the weapons and then you measure the distance and compare if your weapons are in range. It doesn't specify if you can't measure before that but I would assume so based on the wording.

If it is worded in that way, I would say that no pre-measuring is permitted. Having a line saying "no pre-measuring is allowed" would probably have helped though..

That would also line it up with SM2 version of the game, although I know some things have changed.

It doesn't say premeasuring is allowed/disallowed because rule is said long time ago in section "core principles". Refer above

Having "no premeasuring allowed" rule in that part would be irrelevant as you have specific rule allowing you to measure at any point of the game.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Yep, thankfully right at the beginning.

I do not play any game where pre-measurement is not allowed.

Does someone have issues with the package quality of Orders?

There is a rising number of customers here in the German Community, complaining about issues with LI-Products, from broken and missing parts over damaged Rulebooks and Decals, and that their Boxed sets are only sealed by stickers instead of plastic foil.

No, but a few people are missing bases.

RazorEdge wrote:
Boxed sets are only sealed by stickers instead of plastic foil.

This has been a thing for a while, due to the EU ban on single-use plastics IIRC.

RazorEdge wrote:
Does someone have issues with the package quality of Orders?

There is a rising number of customers here in the German Community, complaining about issues with LI-Products, from broken and missing parts over damaged Rulebooks and Decals, and that their Boxed sets are only sealed by stickers instead of plastic foil.

if the boxes were indeed repacked after replacing the old rule books which is rumoured to be (one of) the causes of the delayed release it wouldn't surprise me to see more damage than usual,

and as said above the shrink wrap being replaced by a couple of stickers to keep boxes closed is intended to minimise plastic use, and has been complained about for a whole bunch of other manufacturers as well (and for a lot of boardgames too)

RazorEdge wrote:
Does someone have issues with the package quality of Orders?

There is a rising number of customers here in the German Community, complaining about issues with LI-Products, from broken and missing parts over damaged Rulebooks and Decals, and that their Boxed sets are only sealed by stickers instead of plastic foil.

Yeah boxes only being sealed by stickers has been the case for a while and works good enough normally so thats not the reason for damages.

It seems the LI box is especially prone to problems and my box seems to have gotten everything at one. I have 6 missing bases, one missing space marine model and one of the predator cannons destroyed itself while still holding onto the sprue

Also alot of rivets and small details got pressed flat/sheared off as if something heavy was laying on the sprues but since the box isn't packed as tightly as some others before, which didn't have that problem, I think that likely happened when they switched out the books and not during shipping.

Would also explain the abnormally high rate of missing/broken parts I see on social media

beast_gts wrote:
No, but a few people are missing bases.

RazorEdge wrote:
Boxed sets are only sealed by stickers instead of plastic foil.

This has been a thing for a while, due to the EU ban on single-use plastics IIRC.

Manufacturers and retailers have been attempting to cut down – rightly – on plastic packaging for some time, some of it prompted by legislation, but there's no ban on shrinkwrap in the EU as yet (a law to make all packaging recyclable by 2030 has been proposed). The change from shrinkwrap to stickers isn't responsible for any greater-than-usual amount of damage in packed products, since both just do the same job of sealing the box. Shrinkwrap isn't thick enough to prevent against any damage the box wouldn't prevent anyway, so if the Legions Imperialis products do appear to be suffering from more damage than usual, something else in the process (like repacking, as someone has suggested elsewhere, or perhaps even a process or a type of packaging not suited to the many smaller components on the frames) would more likely be responsible.

it could even also be down to how long these things will have sat on pallets in a warehouse (and with a book in they'll be heavier than most GW boxes). More time for the boxes on the bottom of the stacks to be crushed, bending plastic and popping narrow casting gates off the sprues

And that's without considering that they might have also been moved around the warehouse more often as they had to clear space to make room for other things etc...

nah the boxes would show signs of damage, I think its because the box isn't as solidly filled as they often are and stuff has a chance to move about a bit more in the box

The box isn't solidly filled? Would you say there's room for, as a completely random example, 4 Kratos?

Did anybody else buy the ebook and have the same formatting problems? Maybe it works on an iPad?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The box isn't solidly filled? Would you say there's room for, as a completely random example, 4 Kratos?

there is certainly the space for the two that would allow the Marine player to use both the Sicaran and the Predators at the same time

Of course that would increase price of the box up.

And starter sets not being matched play legal is normal unless game has no real restrictions like 40k 10th

 SgtEeveell wrote:
Did anybody else buy the ebook and have the same formatting problems? Maybe it works on an iPad?

No formatting issues that I can see (iPadOS 17.1.2)

tneva82 wrote:
Of course that would increase price of the box up.

And starter sets not being matched play legal is normal unless game has no real restrictions like 40k 10th

or the box could have been made slightly smaller so stuff is packaged properly

or the Titans could have been replaced with something useful, like say a frame of proper counters and objective markers

Well I am happy , all of my order arrives tomorrow!

Except the rhinos which bizarrely came separately yesterday.

RazorEdge wrote:
Does someone have issues with the package quality of Orders?

There is a rising number of customers here in the German Community, complaining about issues with LI-Products, from broken and missing parts over damaged Rulebooks and Decals, and that their Boxed sets are only sealed by stickers instead of plastic foil.

There is a topic on Legions Imperialis on Reddit with a variety of missing issues and mispacks. Personally I’m missing a Contemptor body and waiting to hear from the seller , an online U.K. FLGS , tomorrow what they are going to do. I’m assuming they are going to contact GW Monday.

If they’re a UK retailer it’s their job to make it good, not GW’s - they may have an upstream relationship with GW who will make them good in return but as far as you the consumer is concerned the buck stops with them and anything they say to the contrary are delaying tactics at best.

I pre-ordered 2 boxes in store. 1 arrived for me to collect and the second didn't. Strange as the order that came was the second I placed as the first had other items.

Bought the starter box and an extra box of space marines; ALL the commander miniatures' swords were fethed. GW quality control isn't what it was.

If it's any consolation, all swords on 8mm scale 3d prints will break too.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
If they’re a UK retailer it’s their job to make it good, not GW’s - they may have an upstream relationship with GW who will make them good in return but as far as you the consumer is concerned the buck stops with them and anything they say to the contrary are delaying tactics at best.

In fairness to them I emailed them Saturday afternoon and they replied within an hour , Sundays aren’t a business day. If it takes a few days to figure out something beyond “return the box for a refund then you’ll have to wait months for another one” then I’m happy to see what they come up with. Gw does actually now specify that if you didn’t buy direct then contact the seller.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If it's any consolation, all swords on 8mm scale 3d prints will break too.

Oh for sure but I'm still gonna consider this one a product issue.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
If they’re a UK retailer it’s their job to make it good, not GW’s - they may have an upstream relationship with GW who will make them good in return but as far as you the consumer is concerned the buck stops with them and anything they say to the contrary are delaying tactics at best.

In fairness to them I emailed them Saturday afternoon and they replied within an hour , Sundays aren’t a business day. If it takes a few days to figure out something beyond “return the box for a refund then you’ll have to wait months for another one” then I’m happy to see what they come up with. Gw does actually now specify that if you didn’t buy direct then contact the seller.

Oh sure, reasonable delay because of working hours and whatnot is fine but there’s a difference between that and pretending it’s not their problem/responsibility.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
If they’re a UK retailer it’s their job to make it good, not GW’s - they may have an upstream relationship with GW who will make them good in return but as far as you the consumer is concerned the buck stops with them and anything they say to the contrary are delaying tactics at best.

In fairness to them I emailed them Saturday afternoon and they replied within an hour , Sundays aren’t a business day. If it takes a few days to figure out something beyond “return the box for a refund then you’ll have to wait months for another one” then I’m happy to see what they come up with. Gw does actually now specify that if you didn’t buy direct then contact the seller.

GW in the past used to replace stuff regardless of where I bought it from, now they ask you to go through the seller. It's within their right to do that, but it was nice when they just dealt with it themselves. The plastic all comes from the same place and goes through GW's office (in or near Sydney from memory).

I haven't received my box (in Australia and still waiting for release day) but given the box has a lot of space, the nature of the small delicate models, and that they've probably been repacked at some point, hardly a surprise it has a lot of damage. Some of the earlier AI boxes also weren't completely full so they used those packing air bag thingos to fill the space and stop things rattling around, but from the unboxings I've seen, they didn't include anything similar in the LI box.

I seem to have had more damage and missing parts in recent years than I used to have, perhaps because the models in general are more complex than they used to be.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If it's any consolation, all swords on 8mm scale 3d prints will break too.

Will they?