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chaos0xomega wrote: I can't see the arvus remaining resin indefinitely, not with it being the SAs primary transport in the current rules.
Not holding my breath on this one, especially after the Knights in Titanicus...
Wise Old Sad Git Moment.
Resin is the modern metal. In the past, we’ve seen stuff produced in metal, and then transition to plastic. The question is why.
The Resin Arvus were produced for Aeronautica. A game in which they were super specialised and utterly unarmed. As such, super niche.
In Legions Imperialis? They have a greater appeal as a basic, flying transport.
Legions Imperialis is, despite selling out, currently something of an unknown quantity. And it’ll be some time before we know if it has staying power.
And so, for now, despite its new found ubiquity? The Arvus exists in resin, and it’s too early for GW to tell if the game it found that ubiquity in will justify the cost of it crossing the Rubicon Plasticarus.
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chaos0xomega wrote: I can't see the arvus remaining resin indefinitely, not with it being the SAs primary transport in the current rules.
Not holding my breath on this one, especially after the Knights in Titanicus...
Wise Old Sad Git Moment.
Resin is the modern metal. In the past, we’ve seen stuff produced in metal, and then transition to plastic. The question is why.
The Resin Arvus were produced for Aeronautica. A game in which they were super specialised and utterly unarmed. As such, super niche.
In Legions Imperialis? They have a greater appeal as a basic, flying transport.
Legions Imperialis is, despite selling out, currently something of an unknown quantity. And it’ll be some time before we know if it has staying power.
And so, for now, despite its new found ubiquity? The Arvus exists in resin, and it’s too early for GW to tell if the game it found that ubiquity in will justify the cost of it crossing the Rubicon Plasticarus.
I don't disagree, but I think it'll come eventually.
To SamusDrakes point though, I will point to the plasticization of the resin warhoundvweapons and the upcoming Dire Wolf as examples of an existing resin to plastic pipeline across the Rubicon Plasticarus.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Dire Wolf is ridiculously niche, it must in part be aimed at appeasing AT players specifically, otherwise why make a 5th plastic support titan when you could make a faction superheavy, or even put a few more tools towards the next faction.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
lord_blackfang wrote: Dire Wolf is ridiculously niche, it must in part be aimed at appeasing AT players specifically, otherwise why make a 5th plastic support titan when you could make a faction superheavy, or even put a few more tools towards the next faction.
I don't play AT (yet) but I would expect them to be happier about more weapons coming to plastic instead of the Dire Wolf if it actually is that niche?
Another weapon sprue for the Reaver might be a bit harder since it only has carapace weapons left in resin. If they want another whole kit like the other two they would need to invent at least two more new arm weapons but that didn't stop them with the new Warhound weapons.
And the Warlord and the Warbringer with its second main gun still have enough weapons in resin for new kits.
Especially the Warbringer would fit perfectly since its the only one without a second kit currently and if I'm remembering correctly while the weapons themselves are the same as the Reaver weapons, the arm connection is different so you can't use the weapons in the Reaver kits without a bit of work?
Or just a completely new Titan class
Personally I'm fine with the Dire Wolf since I quite like the design and I mainly buy the models to build and paint and not to play so it being niche doesn't really affect me but if they only moved it to plastic so the AT crowd also got a release there should have been better things to choose.
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drbored wrote: All depends. As mentioned, the Dire Wolves made the jump, which was pretty weird, since it was already a pretty niche late-addition to Titanicus.
Just GW being consistent as ever.
I strongly suspect that the dire wolf was designed to be a plastic kit originally, then for whatever reason didn't get the greenlight to be released as one in 2021/22. Perhaps they couldn't spare the tooling resources at the time, maybe the poor sales figures for the Iconoclast affected decisions, or they just didn't want a new AT-branded plastic box (with the 'wrong' bases) so close to the LI launch.
However turning the CAD-designed components into a FW resin kit is pretty easy for GW to do these days, and helps fill a gap in the release schedule for relatively little work. AT players also got reassurance that Epic scale wasn't dead at a time some were talking about selling up.
I strongly suspect that the dire wolf was designed to be a plastic kit originally, then for whatever reason didn't get the greenlight to be released as one in 2021/22. Perhaps they couldn't spare the tooling resources at the time, maybe the poor sales figures for the Iconoclast affected decisions, or they just didn't want a new AT-branded plastic box (with the 'wrong' bases) so close to the LI launch.
That's a very sensible theory. It was quite the outlier in the AT stable as the only resin titan.
We could even get a "soft" confirmation, if the sprues turn out to be dated 2020/21-ish.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
It could also be that the Dire Wolf was an experiment to see how a resin titan would sell and be received by the market; with a long term view that if it did well they'd do more and if it did badly or so-so or just no different; they'd eventually use a plastic slot to bring it into plastics.
As it is, I'm happy it made the jump to plastic. I love the Dire Wolf design and hope to see more titans come out in the future, for LI and Titanicus. Both games are great and I need more!
lord_blackfang wrote: Dire Wolf is ridiculously niche, it must in part be aimed at appeasing AT players specifically, otherwise why make a 5th plastic support titan when you could make a faction superheavy, or even put a few more tools towards the next faction.
To be fair the Direwolf is a half-niche titan as it can be used in quite a few maniples, including two from the core AT book. The Warmaster on the other hand is not only a strict auxiliary titan, its also so expensive that a player can realistically expect to include only one in their army. On top of that players are expected to buy a second kit for an alternative loadout, each kit costing around £100.
The other consideration is that the Warhound and Direwolves are the least expensive and powerful titans, which makes them good candidates as the "troop" titans for a legio force in Legions Imperialis.
tneva82 wrote: Rumour is old world would be next. Maybe alongside but i doubt it.
But would be nice. Maybe missing units from rulebook as well. Rapiers and leviathan would be nice. Oh and marine flyers
January has 4 preorder slots, Dark Angels will take one of those and according to rumours TOW and AoS Dawnbringers 4/FEC will take another two.
Which still leaves one more slot that is pretty likely to be the rest still missing for the inital LI stuff
tneva82 wrote: Rumour is old world would be next. Maybe alongside but i doubt it.
Is there a specific rumour about the preorder date? GW usually give major releases like launch boxes at least a week or two to 'breathe' after reveal before confirming any dates. Plus things like new game launches or 40k army boxes tend to land around month end when most people get paid.
tneva82 wrote: Rumour is old world would be next. Maybe alongside but i doubt it.
Is there a specific rumour about the preorder date? GW usually give major releases like launch boxes at least a week or two to 'breathe' after reveal before confirming any dates. Plus things like new game launches or 40k army boxes tend to land around month end when most people get paid.
Current rumour is preorder on the 6th for TOW. (and the 13th for Dawnbringers/FEC)
This is coming from the same person who told us about the Ironjawz releases back then and the preorder dates for the Tyranid and SM releases and lately also the release date for LI so should be reliable.
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local Helsinki area LGS's got their LI restocks yesterday, any of you missed out, now is the chance to grab some kits.. unless they sold out again already?
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
someone spotted the Leman Russ kit in the wild, 8 tanks per box as suspected
might mean the second LI wave is dropping soon?
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
tauist wrote:someone spotted the Leman Russ kit in the wild, 8 tanks per box as suspected
might mean the second LI wave is dropping soon?
Matrindur wrote:It was already basically confirmed but the Leman Russ from the core box will have its own box with 8 models inside instead of sharing one with the Malcadors as this appeared on ebay now:
Also makes me think it shouldn't be long now for the next preorder wave since that guy somehow got their hands on ten boxes of these.
This is probably someone who bought from this ebay seller who I posted about a week ago, other interesting bits are that this person had more than 1, I think it was 10? So not just a case of "I got sent one box by mistake instead of something else" like how the new Dante leaked back then.
Also the painting examples on the back show a Leman Russ Executioner, which also gets its own cover art in the core book. These cover arts in the book are used by all current sets as their boxart so pretty likely there will be another LR box with other weapons in the future.
Images in the core book:
Spoiler:
Leman Russ Executioner:
Also the Termite Assault Drills
This one has a different aspect ratio compared to the others so might not be a boxart:
And while the arvus lighters are already available I think they are sold in the white boxes since they are forgeworld so they wouldn't have a boxart? So maybe plastic versions are coming with this boxart?
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The assault drill is an interesting one. It can be used by either faction, conceivably.
The Arvus Lighters are in clampacks like many other FW things and do have modernized LI clampack art. Would love them to move to plastic tho, considering how they're currently the only Solar Auxilia transport until we get the Dracosan.
drbored wrote: The assault drill is an interesting one. It can be used by either faction, conceivably.
The Arvus Lighters are in clampacks like many other FW things and do have modernized LI clampack art. Would love them to move to plastic tho, considering how they're currently the only Solar Auxilia transport until we get the Dracosan.
Is the Arvus clampack art the same as the one in the book? I can't find any unboxings with LI branding for them.
The assault drill will for sure be available for Legiones Astartes since its in Death Guard colours here and SA is also likely since it has rules in HH in the Legacies document
Malika2 wrote: Are those Leman Russes armed with twin stubbers?
If you mean the "different aspect ratio" one from Matrindur's "Images from the core book" spoiler, Malika, they'll be twin autocannon. The Exterminator variant.
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
