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Eumerin wrote:

Why couldn't they release the regular Land Raiders first

Because Spartans can carry a lot more Terminators than regular Land Raiders can. GW is giving Astartes players a viable option to move a full-sized Terminator detachment.

Of course, getting a full sized terminator detachment is pretty hard to get too...

HidaO-Win wrote:
I just went and checked the card packs from the original release, the contents of the support boxes already got their cards in there and each unit got two copies of their card.

So far we've had previewed for the Great Slaughter ( I presume)

Legion Drop Pods
Dreadnaught Drop Pods
Land Raider Proteus
Spartan Assault Tank
Javelin Landspeeders
Proteus Landspeeders
Scimitar Jet Bikes
Outrider Bikes
Medusa/Basilisk Artillery
Dracosan Transport
Malcador Infernus/Valdor

11 units, unless they collapse the Landspeeders and Bikes to a single card while being quite different models. I suppose they could do one copy of each card instead of two, but that would change the previous pattern. To squeeze in some formations, it's possible that a unit like a Land Raider isn't in the Great Slaughter.

You are correct, I again forgot that every card is included twice but even then it would need to include the cyclops as that wasn't in the core book which would mean even if you throw out the Proteus and merge the two Drop Pods that would still only leave enough cards for two formations. But due to the WD battlereport we know of a Vanguard formation and a drop pods formation and the SA are also getting at least one according to the ToC so something doesn't fit here.
Also if you compare the image of the stack of cards its obviously thicker than the SM card pack and that one had 46 cards so I don't think the 22 included the double cards (or there aren't any this time). But even then it would only be 44 cards in a bigger stack than the 46 SM cards? So something seems wrong with the 22 written in the article. Maybe 22 new cards but the pack also includes cards for Knights/Titans which didn't get any last time? Would make sense for the Titan expansion.

Will we come to know the prices before saturday?


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 tauist wrote:
More cards that will be in limited quantities

Astartes Legion Support box while I'm at it

Think I'll be buying a single Spartan from ebay before deciding whether or not to splurge on a whole box however.. Why couldn't they release the regular Land Raiders first

Way I see it, an Astartes Det box, Legion Support box, Rhinos & Land Raiders should be the first items to release for the nostalghia hungry 2nd ed Space Marine crowd. Feels weird having to wait for the 'raiders

Im one of the nostalgia hungry Space Marine crowd...

I take it the Spartans are not just the 30k version of a Land Raider then?

Spartan is a stretched land raider with more transport capacity and quad las cannon on each side

wondering on the stats as I'm guessing 2+ save & 2 wounds, which to be honest is going to be quite fragile with that firepower as it will be a priority target

will not be an easy one to get the points right

leopard wrote:
Spartan is a stretched land raider with more transport capacity and quad las cannon on each side

wondering on the stats as I'm guessing 2+ save & 2 wounds, which to be honest is going to be quite fragile with that firepower as it will be a priority target

will not be an easy one to get the points right

I'd speculate that it might only be one wound but perhaps has the ability to upgrade to flare shield or perhaps comes with one naturally, so it might have an invul save in addition to likely being 2/3+ armour. The dracosan I feel will be similar, likely one wound but decently robust like a malcador. I guess we'll know in a few weeks.

Spartan as tough as a Kratos?

Dracosan should be as tough as the Malcador (2 W 3+ armour), same chassis...

Using the same chassis doesn't automatically correlate to equivalent toughness/resilience/protection/armor, etc. Its been long established that vehicles that share a common chassis can have different armor values in 30k/40k (compare a rhino to a predator, for example). The common chassis is an aesthetic thing more than it is a functional thing, as there is clearly some difference "under the hood" for many vehicles despite sharing similar chassis.

In the older 28 mm HH the malcador armour was 13/13/12 (front/side/rear) and 6 hull points vs Dracosan 13/12/11 5 HP, so the difference wasn`t actually that huge. So if that is any indication, and with LI`s limited stat granularity, both should be the same or very similar. But of course, it`s a different game, so anything can be expected.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The common chassis is an aesthetic thing more than it is a functional thing, as there is clearly some difference "under the hood" for many vehicles despite sharing similar chassis.

Which matches the real world. Using surplus tank hulls as the chassis for other types of vehicles has happened in the past, and such vehicles are typically more lightly armored.

How realistic do you think could be a seperate Sprue with many Terminators but in Tartaros Armour?

RazorEdge wrote:
How realistic do you think could be a seperate Sprue with many Terminators but in Tartaros Armour?

I'd expect things like Mechanicum long before a sprue like that.

RazorEdge wrote:
How realistic do you think could be a seperate Sprue with many Terminators but in Tartaros Armour?

I’ll be hoping they do a second infantry box with more terminators, assault marines, and different weapons teams. Doing a different terminator armor would be a good idea. Not sure if there are alternative jump troops they could make.

I pray the Emperor for a plastic sprue with all the range of Custodes, and a plastic sprue of Imperial Militia.

Waiting for Dracosan and Arvus boxes, I dont think I buy any bastion detachments, my Velatarii force has already been split in four Tercios and I can't deploy none less. Instead I could buy some Baneblades to lead an Armoured Company...

 Crablezworth wrote:

leopard wrote:
Spartan is a stretched land raider with more transport capacity and quad las cannon on each side

wondering on the stats as I'm guessing 2+ save & 2 wounds, which to be honest is going to be quite fragile with that firepower as it will be a priority target

will not be an easy one to get the points right

I'd speculate that it might only be one wound but perhaps has the ability to upgrade to flare shield or perhaps comes with one naturally, so it might have an invul save in addition to likely being 2/3+ armour. The dracosan I feel will be similar, likely one wound but decently robust like a malcador. I guess we'll know in a few weeks.

one wound and the thing becomes a liability, unless very cheap, and then given the potential firepower, maybe 4 dice lascannon with "accurate", though I'm hoping for three dice just to stop the thing being ridiculously powerful and then either a very expensive, fragile box or even then maybe an undercosted but expensive fragile box

potential for a 1+ save though if one wound?

don't see the dracosan being Malcador toughness, its a transport not a battle tank, I can see a Gorgon should one appear being like a slowly moving bunker though

 vadersson wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
How realistic do you think could be a seperate Sprue with many Terminators but in Tartaros Armour?

I’ll be hoping they do a second infantry box with more terminators, assault marines, and different weapons teams. Doing a different terminator armor would be a good idea. Not sure if there are alternative jump troops they could make.

We basically know there are more weapon teams coming as the Imperial Fists legion rule talks about Plasma Cannons, Lascannons, Autocannons and Heavy Bolters on infantry which only other Heavy Weapons squads can take in HH.
But since its at least four more weapon types I would even expect a box just for HWS instead of another mixed infantry box. I do hope there are also boxes with just Terminators or Assault Marines coming

 Matrindur wrote:
I do hope there are also boxes with just Terminators or Assault Marines coming

As do I.

Unfortunately, the focus right now seems to be on keeping the number of new model SKUs released at once to a minimum. We got four combat unit SKUs in the first wave - plus the Rhino transport. And we're getting four figure SKUs in the second wave. Unless we start getting bigger releases, it might be a while until we see infantry boxes that are more focused.

Not sure why the Warhammer Community said that the Spartan was, "The first transport terminators could use."

Did they mean the first GROUND transport? Because they could use Thunderhawks just fine.


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leopard wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

leopard wrote:
Spartan is a stretched land raider with more transport capacity and quad las cannon on each side

wondering on the stats as I'm guessing 2+ save & 2 wounds, which to be honest is going to be quite fragile with that firepower as it will be a priority target

will not be an easy one to get the points right

I'd speculate that it might only be one wound but perhaps has the ability to upgrade to flare shield or perhaps comes with one naturally, so it might have an invul save in addition to likely being 2/3+ armour. The dracosan I feel will be similar, likely one wound but decently robust like a malcador. I guess we'll know in a few weeks.

one wound and the thing becomes a liability, unless very cheap, and then given the potential firepower, maybe 4 dice lascannon with "accurate", though I'm hoping for three dice just to stop the thing being ridiculously powerful and then either a very expensive, fragile box or even then maybe an undercosted but expensive fragile box

potential for a 1+ save though if one wound?

don't see the dracosan being Malcador toughness, its a transport not a battle tank, I can see a Gorgon should one appear being like a slowly moving bunker though

More than likely 1 wound. Most vehicles that size have 1 wound. A Thunderhawk has 2 wounds and is much larger.

 Moopy wrote:

More than likely 1 wound. Most vehicles that size have 1 wound. A Thunderhawk has 2 wounds and is much larger.

Except that the Malcador also has two wounds

chaos0xomega wrote:
Using the same chassis doesn't automatically correlate to equivalent toughness/resilience/protection/armor, etc. Its been long established that vehicles that share a common chassis can have different armor values in 30k/40k (compare a rhino to a predator, for example). The common chassis is an aesthetic thing more than it is a functional thing, as there is clearly some difference "under the hood" for many vehicles despite sharing similar chassis.

It does in Epic. And Predator is an uparmoured version of the Rhino, it is not the same case.

Not sure if prices were already posted for the new stuff over here? Every LI kit will cost 40€, which I suppose can already be considered a standard price for them, seeing as every individual box released for it so far have costed that amount.

Great Slaughter book will also cost 40€. Guessing the epub will be almost as much

15€ for the cards. I expect the cards to sell out first, as usual

 tauist wrote:
Not sure if prices were already posted for the new stuff over here? Every LI kit will cost 40€, which I suppose can already be considered a standard price for them, seeing as every individual box released for it so far have costed that amount.

Great Slaughter book will also cost 40€. Guessing the epub will be almost as much

15€ for the cards. I expect the cards to sell out first, as usual

Gosh, prices are ridiculously high, I mean, even compared to other GW products. 10€/Malcador Chaos Warhounds for example are 2.5€/model, Cadian shock troops are also 40€ per box and that's 10 big nice models. It's total nonsense.

 tauist wrote:
Not sure if prices were already posted for the new stuff over here? Every LI kit will cost 40€, which I suppose can already be considered a standard price for them, seeing as every individual box released for it so far have costed that amount.

Great Slaughter book will also cost 40€. Guessing the epub will be almost as much

15€ for the cards. I expect the cards to sell out first, as usual

Hmm, didnt a lot of the first wave cost varying amount? Infantry boxes/thunderhawk/rhinos etc?

VAYASEN wrote:


Hmm, didnt a lot of the first wave cost varying amount? Infantry boxes/thunderhawk/rhinos etc?

The variations are terrain, the plastic Knight & Titan kits that carried over their old prices from AT, or anything from forge world.

The plastic LI kits like tanks, aircraft, and infantry all cost £30.

Yar har har part removed

And Titans v Titans? Why would you possibly want to play this when you could just play Adeptus Titanicus? The Titans in Legions are probably one of the most poorly-realised aspects of the game (when compared to other versions) so not sure why they would choose to shine a spotlight on them

at a guess the whole tian v titan thing is aimed at players who have a collection of them already to try and cross them into the game

plus an easier way to use more of them and maybe through in some supporting units or just a faster way for larger titan games

seems a harmless enough addition, and hopefully has a few interesting scenarios

agree on hoping the various builder tools get the stats reasonably quickly though

There's a pretty significant number of AT players that have assembled collections far too large to realistically play under normal AT rules. This is basically Apocalypse for them.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/12/the-lore-of-legions-imperialis-how-the-great-slaughter-began/

Yeah, even though I bought the starter, I don't see me buying this book. I'm not going to play the rules chasing game.

Unless I find an active group playing LI, I'll just go with older editions.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Yeah, even though I bought the starter, I don't see me buying this book. I'm not going to play the rules chasing game.

Unless I find an active group playing LI, I'll just go with older editions.

were more locally interested in playing, the inability to get hold of the models has basically put them off

 xttz wrote:
There's a pretty significant number of AT players that have assembled collections far too large to realistically play under normal AT rules. This is basically Apocalypse for them.

Thankyou - that is the first answer I have read on this topic that makes sense.

And I guess is genuinely useful at the moment for people who have that collection and can't buy stuff for Legions itself.