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 xttz wrote:
Looking at the set further, I really wonder if this battleforce is only 3-4 regular boxes rather than the usual 5. Most of the detachments only work out to two sprues worth and can't divide into the four needed if the kits were doubled up.

I could see this actually being less than the £110 rrp of the previous battleforces.

Further speculation:
Two sprues of infantry
Two sprues of automata
Two sprues of Thanatar (4 each with 2 different armaments, similar to several tank kits)
Two sprues of 2 Triaros (like spartans)

That's equivalent to four typical LI kits. Assuming a similar discount to other battleforces, best case scenario would be around £90 retail.

Also this box covers a solid majority of the current 28mm unit roster for HH. Aside from things like named characters & Secutarii it pretty much only leaves:
Karacnos / Krios / Ordinatus (and possibly the Macrocarid if it ever gets resurrected from Legends)

Presumably Mechanicum knights in plastic will help to pad out future releases at some point.

Very happy to see the Mechanicum added to the game!

Huh. So that's where the bloat drone thingies came from.

When this Set gets revealed, they 100% announced the next Expansion Book with it. Mechanicum Knights could come too as a seperate Release, also the Arminger maybe.

I think we get the following Units as seperate releases.

I like the thought of Daemons being the next army release for both 30K and LI, as it would be visually different from what we've had so far. 30K does have them already but the range of kits is so tiny and FW releases only.

Just a thought that's popped into my head, but I like the idea of an Emperors Children force supported by House Devine and some Daemons that include a Not-Balrog and those darling little Brutes. If they do add Fulgrim to Legions Imperialis that might be something I'm interested in.

SamusDrake wrote:
I like the thought of Daemons being the next army release for both 30K and LI, as it would be visually different from what we've had so far. 30K does have them already but the range of kits is so tiny and FW releases only.

Just a thought that's popped into my head, but I like the idea of an Emperors Children force supported by House Devine and some Daemons that include a Not-Balrog and those darling little Brutes. If they do add Fulgrim to Legions Imperialis that might be something I'm interested in.

Next faction will likely be Custodes (and SoS) since they have more stuff in HH and they already have a single model for LI (even if its just a plane from AI)
But after that we have all the faction that have big model ranges in HH so its up for Daemons next.

But then again it will likely take another year for the next faction just like it took a year for Mechanicum so I wouldn't expect Daemons until 2026

Not sure I agree it’ll be a year.

I mean, it launched with two factions, each of which now have a decent, if for Astartes still incomplete, range of options. And that’s based on what I’m assuming is a relatively conservative initial release slate.

I see no reason they couldn’t do Custodes/Sisters of Silence and Daemons in a year. Neither exactly have a great many kits to them. Same for Mechanicum, as this boxed set alone leaves maybe half a dozen existing units unseen (but not necessarily unsculpted).

Well, I suppose Custodes will introduce the colour gold to the game!

That would certainly be a logical choice.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not sure I agree it’ll be a year.

I mean, it launched with two factions, each of which now have a decent, if for Astartes still incomplete, range of options. And that’s based on what I’m assuming is a relatively conservative initial release slate.

I see no reason they couldn’t do Custodes/Sisters of Silence and Daemons in a year. Neither exactly have a great many kits to them. Same for Mechanicum, as this boxed set alone leaves maybe half a dozen existing units unseen (but not necessarily unsculpted).

They also relaunched the full range of titans and knights, so along with the terrain it was quite a lot to release within a year.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not sure I agree it’ll be a year.

I mean, it launched with two factions, each of which now have a decent, if for Astartes still incomplete, range of options. And that’s based on what I’m assuming is a relatively conservative initial release slate.

I see no reason they couldn’t do Custodes/Sisters of Silence and Daemons in a year. Neither exactly have a great many kits to them. Same for Mechanicum, as this boxed set alone leaves maybe half a dozen existing units unseen (but not necessarily unsculpted).

Thats true, if they keep up the same number of releases as last year Custodes and Daemons would easily fit into a single year together with additional kits for SA/SM.
But that's assuming the number of releases stays the same which I don't think will be the case. The first year needed that many releases since its a new game in a completely new scale but the same isn't necessarily true for the future.
Of course I don't want less releases, I just wouldn't expect as many as we got until now. And then both Custodes and Daemons in one year becomes less likely, especially since we also have to fit in more SM/SA and probably Mechanicum

I’d still expect releases once a quarter of new stuff.

I’m not massively familiar with the 28mm Solar Auxilia, but I think they’re rapidly getting into “never before seen” territory in terms of possible additions. Astartes still need the Vindicator, Scorpius, Cerberus, Typhon, Sicaran Venator, Mastodon, Glaive, Kharybdis, Dreadclaw, Falchion, Fellblade and Arquitor to name but a few. Oh, and a Stormbird.

So there’s plenty of toys we’re told are all coming in dinky plastic, so a while to go yet.

Another aspect is how the team behind the game and marketing are going to sell it compared to HH regular.

We might well see SoS held back until GW can do them in tandem even though the 32mm would take longer and cost more to bring to market than their LI versions.

Hard to imagine what SoS would even bring to the game as their ability is pointless, so one ranged unit, one stabby and a tank? With stats on a par with SA. Seems pointless.

They do have one of the coolest looking transports in the game though…

 ingtaer wrote:
Hard to imagine what SoS would even bring to the game as their ability is pointless, so one ranged unit, one stabby and a tank? With stats on a par with SA. Seems pointless.

In theory the HH era could flesh them out a lot lot more with a much bigger unit roster than they currently have.

Right but there's also no Psykers in LI for them to fight yet.

Yeah I don’t see them adding SoS, unless they start adding Psykers and demons etc. Custodes I can see them doing though.

If you're doing Custodes, though, you may as well do the other Talon at the same time.

I obviously haven't been paying too close attention, but no SM Librarians yet?

Custodes are complementary to:
1) the Emperor
2) daemons in Impossible City siege

Only command for Astartes are Command Stand and Command Tank (Predator, Sicaran or Kratos).

Librarians were a thing in 2nd Ed with fairly limited powers, but still useful if memory serves.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Right but there's also no Psykers in LI for them to fight yet.

Holy hell- no aliens or psykers?

Why does anyone even play this game?

 PenitentJake wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Right but there's also no Psykers in LI for them to fight yet.

Holy hell- no aliens or psykers?

Why does anyone even play this game?

Because they like it?

 PenitentJake wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Right but there's also no Psykers in LI for them to fight yet.

Holy hell- no aliens or psykers?

Why does anyone even play this game?

I know right? Us Farseers and Warlocks find it comically embarrassing.

Also interested to see how they interact with Orders.

As is Tradition, Astartes have pretty free reign to assign what you want to which unit you want, whereas Auxilia follow in the footsteps of Imperial Guard, you have a chain of command, which if the opponent can break, or you’ve not thought out through deployment and movement, can leave parts of your army limited options.

In 2nd Ed, Eldar were a right sod, as provided you maintained a web of Farseers and Warlocks, you assigned your orders after your opponent had revealed their own. Needless to say with alternating activation and the order system combined, that could be a serious advantage.

Orks? Their perk came from the support cards bought alongside a Mob would add to the overall break point, making it harder to break enemy units and score VPs.

There's an entire army of payers (thousand sons), they just don't have corresponding rules.

Do order sinister titans have LI rules? Might be an indication of how they handle SoS

chaos0xomega wrote:
There's an entire army of payers (thousand sons), they just don't have corresponding rules.

Do order sinister titans have LI rules? Might be an indication of how they handle SoS

Yeah but the only special rule the Warlord-Sinister Battle Titan has is the Dread Aura which is -1 Morale within 8". It also has Necrotechnica which lets it regain wounds but that is more owed to forbidden Mechanicum Tech.

But the Dread Aura does give hints that more units are supposed to have it since its written as Dread Aura (X) where X is the range which doesn't really make sense if the Sinister is the only user and the Word Bearers also ignore it which would be pretty useless that way.

So they might just give all SoS units Dread Aura? Would make sense since their aura is generally described as unsettling to others? So just a general debuff instead of Psyker focused.

There is also the Psi weapon keyword that ignores Invulnerable, Cover, Ion and Void Saves so they might also be immune to that? Either get a special save they can still use in this case or just a general immunity to weapons with Psi.
But again the Sinister is the only unit with Psi weapons

could see SoS alongside the custards, simply to be a "cheaper" troop choice, even if thats basically all they are

So LI just got announced as getting reveals for Warhammer Day which makes me thin we won't see this until then.

I don't think they have enough else for a Warhammer day slot if they show Mechanicum this Thursday

 Matrindur wrote:
So LI just got announced as getting reveals for Warhammer Day which makes me thin we won't see this until then.

I don't think they have enough else for a Warhammer day slot if they show Mechanicum this Thursday

Keep saying it, they already told us the melee weapons was up first lol.

Goddammit I fact checked myself out the race

"Leading the charge will be a long sought-after weapons kit, which we’ll be revealing in the coming weeks." The mention of heresy Thursday is a different point

Dudeface wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
So LI just got announced as getting reveals for Warhammer Day which makes me thin we won't see this until then.

I don't think they have enough else for a Warhammer day slot if they show Mechanicum this Thursday

Keep saying it, they already told us the melee weapons was up first lol.

Yeah but this also means we won't see it next Thursday which opens up the slot for another new reveal

"Year of Chaos"

Hmm. While we all know Mechanicum is on the way, we can still blindly hope for Dark Mechanicum or Dæmons of the Ruinstorm!