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I fully expect to see tanks for Mechanicum as well as a few more models for them being released. This might include superheavies for them.

I expect to see Astartes superheavies released alongside Molech or shortly thereafter. That or theres going to be a wave of new titans first. GW wants people to buy and field titans to shift the meta in favor of bug expensive things before implimenting a bunch of units that exist explicitly to say FU to titans (which will shift meta back towards smaller less expensive things).

As of right now, all of those weapons are confined to titans and knights (new dark mech spider-mechs included) with the sole exception of the shadowsword, which likely was only included because it worked as a multikit with the stormsword and stormblade.

Once the "big boy" criteria is met i think we will see factions like astartes, auxilia, and mechanicum get more direct access to engine killers like doomhammers, cerberuses, falchions, ordinatus, etc.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I expect to see Astartes superheavies released alongside Molech or shortly thereafter. That or theres going to be a wave of new titans first. GW wants people to buy and field titans to shift the meta in favor of bug expensive things before implimenting a bunch of units that exist explicitly to say FU to titans (which will shift meta back towards smaller less expensive things).

New titans beyond an Imperator or plastic weapon sprues for existing titans seems unlikely. Sales of larger models like that tend to be lower, aside from a few notable mentions like primachs. GW just has the benefit of re-using the original molds from Adeptus Titanicus for Legions Imperialis to make more money.

Moloch would be interesting, but Istvaan 3 & 5 might make more sense after the last few Mechanicum kits.

Didn't the Ultramarines used many Felblades on Molech against that Traitorious ruling Knight House of that World?

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I expect to see Astartes superheavies released alongside Molech or shortly thereafter. That or theres going to be a wave of new titans first. GW wants people to buy and field titans to shift the meta in favor of bug expensive things before implimenting a bunch of units that exist explicitly to say FU to titans (which will shift meta back towards smaller less expensive things).

New titans beyond an Imperator or plastic weapon sprues for existing titans seems unlikely. Sales of larger models like that tend to be lower, aside from a few notable mentions like primachs. GW just has the benefit of re-using the original molds from Adeptus Titanicus for Legions Imperialis to make more money.

Moloch would be interesting, but Istvaan 3 & 5 might make more sense after the last few Mechanicum kits.

We are still hoping for the Rapier light scout titan, plus a few upgrade sprues for the corrupted/daemon titans would be well recieved. Maybe a non-Nemesis version of the Warbringer that trades the heavy carapace mount for support systems like jammers, targeting arrays, or void shield projectors.

I wouldn't expect the full sized beasts, but Ordinatus Minoris would make a lot of sense for the Mechanicum as their superheavy tank slot.

On Molech, do we have a specific rumour or evidence that’s up next/on the slate?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On Molech, do we have a specific rumour or evidence that’s up next/on the slate?

I think it's mainly a combination of:
a) We're expecting knight & marine super-heavy units in the coming months, and they both featured in that campaign
b) Molech was previously covered in detail for AT so GW have a lot of existing fluff to throw into a supplement, much like the Beta-Garmon books for AT > LI > HH

Beta Garmon and Molech have gotten a lot of attention recently. Tallarn could use a bit more, maybe to tie into the whole "tanks and more tanks" theme of HH coming up, but how about Paramar?

Surely Armigers are the most sensible of the resin Knights to get into plastic. They're a terrible value proposition in resin, I'd like to have some for LI and AT but I can't imagine paying what they cost in resin.

Also, don't think I saw it mentioned yet (?) but the separate release of the Triaros comes with a decal sheet. Not a great surprise, but a bit disappointing that the battle group didn't come with a copy as some of the smaller transfers would probably fit some of the robots too. But looks like it has a nice mix of small symbols - bit more limited on the larger ones though.

I can only agree about the Armigers. In 30K they're sensibly used as the "troops" of the Knight Houses, and yet GW doesn't follow the same good sense for LI. Introducing both Armiger-focused formations, and a plastic kit, would go a long way to improving Knights as a primary force in LI. GW should have done this at the launch of the game, not this late into it.

30k is probably due a Tallarn book next, at least if the trend of LI and 30k synching their books is any indication.

After that, I dunno, probably something with Iron Warriors and Salamanders early in the conflict if the rumours around the next edition are to be believed? They could always invent something that hadn't been touched on in any detail like the Siege of Cthonia for 2nd. But again that assumes they're interested in doing the synchronised book approach going forward.

AT had a Shadow Crusade book, so maybe they'll revisit that if they don't do Molech first, as neither have been covered by 30k.

The problem with armigers is that they might not make sense in the context of sprue/kit design vs unit makeup.

They come in sets of 3/6/9 rules wise, kit wise they need to be 2 identical sprues. Youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 3, youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 9, you can sell a set of 6 but those would be pretty sparse sprues as you can certainly fit more than 3 of them on a single sprue (bout the same size as a thanatar which come 4 to a sprue though the thanatar is much bulkier).

Maybe if the sprue included parts for both the armiger and moirax, so you can build three of either per sprue?

chaos0xomega wrote:
The problem with armigers is that they might not make sense in the context of sprue/kit design vs unit makeup.

They come in sets of 3/6/9 rules wise, kit wise they need to be 2 identical sprues. Youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 3, youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 9, you can sell a set of 6 but those would be pretty sparse sprues as you can certainly fit more than 3 of them on a single sprue (bout the same size as a thanatar which come 4 to a sprue though the thanatar is much bulkier).

Maybe if the sprue included parts for both the armiger and moirax, so you can build three of either per sprue?

Armigers and / or Moirax in 3/6/9 makes perfect sense, many kits are 2/3 of a full unit or 6 in a box in this case. We have examples of sparse sprues to boot, like Sicarians.I'm curious if GW will charge Legion Imperialis kit prices or the grandfathered Questoris Knight kit prices when these eventually drop.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The problem with armigers is that they might not make sense in the context of sprue/kit design vs unit makeup.

They come in sets of 3/6/9 rules wise, kit wise they need to be 2 identical sprues. Youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 3, youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 9, you can sell a set of 6 but those would be pretty sparse sprues as you can certainly fit more than 3 of them on a single sprue (bout the same size as a thanatar which come 4 to a sprue though the thanatar is much bulkier).

Maybe if the sprue included parts for both the armiger and moirax, so you can build three of either per sprue?

That's actually a good point, although each Armiger could be built as either a Helverin or Warglaive, and then the option of two carapace weapons.

The Armiger is not much bigger than a Leviathan. I can easily see them be 12 to a box with weapon options with the Moirax a seperate kit

For comparison

But then think about that, if theyre 12 to a box, how many people would buy more than 1 box? Most folks probably wont fiekd that many armigers in a single games fewer will fiekd more than that. Thats 720 points of armigers, basically 25% of your army in the standard size game. The only kits for LI that deliver that much points value are basically warmaster titans at more than 3x the price of the typical kit.

chaos0xomega wrote:
But then think about that, if theyre 12 to a box, how many people would buy more than 1 box? Most folks probably wont fiekd that many armigers in a single games fewer will fiekd more than that. Thats 720 points of armigers, basically 25% of your army in the standard size game. The only kits for LI that deliver that much points value are basically warmaster titans at more than 3x the price of the typical kit.

They could be going for the "you need to buy 6 boxes to run 9 of each Armiger" way. or, they could run it at 8 to a box to really mess with completionists

As an aside, if they do plastic Moirax's, I hope they use that as the opportunity to add in the conversion beamer and graviton pulsar

Molech would probably line up with the rumour that I heard of the next book being SoH Vs Ultramarines. We have had a couple of books now where Marines haven't been centre stage and that is both unusual for GW and means it is overdue (although the game did need padding out beyond marine on marine action, so glad they took that route).

That would also then involve Blood Angels and Death Guard, potentially with special formations for each, and perhaps even marine super heavies?
It makes perfect sense - which is why the next book will be based on Damnation of Pythos, where you can only field Iron Hands Vs a new range of giant lizards.

I really like the sound of "giant lizards"!

Because I WOULD! I would give them a damn good SLAYING!!!

Resin Armigers/Moirax nearly broke me, both financially and in spirit when I tried assembling them. Easily one of my worst GW hobby experiences.

They could probably solve the sprue number issue by introducing new detachments and detachment upgrades with the next book ?

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:
I'm curious if GW will charge Legion Imperialis kit prices or the grandfathered Questoris Knight kit prices when these eventually drop.

When a plastic kit is likely to move low numbers, GW love to squeeze extra sales out of it via starter or bundle boxes.If they go this route (6 Armigers in a single sprue box for ~£28) then I suspect it'll also be offset by putting them into a new Knight battlegroup or even a refreshed AT starter set.

SamusDrake wrote:
I really like the sound of "giant lizards"!

Because I WOULD! I would give them a damn good SLAYING!!!

Exodites confirmed!

YAY!!!

Time to get back to actual news and rumours. Make a different thread for wish listing please.

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:
3 more Mechanicum LI kits up for sale in Jan:

What's the release cycle like for LI? I just started grabbing the Dark Mech stalkers and was thinking of adding some more tanks.

Usually something every quarter. We’re into somewhat unknown territory now, as there’s the three armies rather than two. So what those waves might look like now remains to be seen.

The resin knights (Atrapos, Stryix, Mageara, Asterius) have been removed from the US store. Moirax and Armigers still available in 8mm resin

We can only hope...

More interesting on the UK store, some of the resin Titan weapons are now showing as Sold Out online... Retooling in plastic? Maybe?

 zedmeister wrote:
More interesting on the UK store, some of the resin Titan weapons are now showing as Sold Out online... Retooling in plastic? Maybe?

My new favourite copium theory is an updated Adeptus Titanicus starter box that subsidises some of the Mechanicum knights & resin weapons moving to plastic...

The fact they continued to include physical AT rules with the Dire Wolf & darkmech stalkers makes me think it's not being abandoned entirely, even if just exists to supplement LI releases going forwards.