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Those Vindicators are very tempting. As adorable as the Arvus Lighters...

I'm standing by for a soft relaunch of the game, keeping with the Saturnine thing. Maybe announced at Nova, if we're lucky...

ill pick up the book and the tokens, thats probably it at least for now.

My one big hope (which seems unlikely but not entirely out of the question) is that they include support formations or whatever to include SA as part of Legiones Astartes forces (similar to what they did for Mechanicum)

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ceirqemh/sunday-preview-miao-ying-raises-a-storm-in-the-old-world/

'ere we go 'ere we go 'ere we go

My wallet just melted. Finally!

I’ll be getting One of Everything I think.

So happy to finally get marine artillery

chaos0xomega wrote:
ill pick up the book and the tokens, thats probably it at least for now.

My one big hope (which seems unlikely but not entirely out of the question) is that they include support formations or whatever to include SA as part of Legiones Astartes forces (similar to what they did for Mechanicum)

Oh, yes, that’d be good. They had the combined SA and Legion company they could include

So had a bit of a look through the info on the cards.

The Astartes pack contains 47 datasheet cards including Detachment upgrades, and 17 Formation cards. Im not sure what a detachment upgrade is, but I count 35 current detachments and 13 formations (12 if you dont count the Brethren of Iron Mechanicum support formation, 11 if you also cut the augmented spearhead). Looks like we'll be getting at least 4 new Astartes formations, possibly 5 or 6 depending on how they handle the support formations and augmented spearhead formation - if you add an SA support formation the spearhead kinda becomes redundant. Adding the new astartes units brings us to 40 detachments - 41 if whirlwinds and scorpius are separate (ala basilisk/medusa in SA). If I were to guess, id say detachment upgrades will be palisade drop pod, leviathan upgrades for contemptor talons, terminator and assault marine upgrades for tacticals, which brings us to 45. Taking a stab in the dark, number 46 is separating sicaran omegas into a separate detachment from sicarans, and 47 is an additional detachment upgrade card for plasma/missile marines.

The SA pack contains 40 datasheet cards including Detachment upgrades, and 16 Formations. Current count is 11 formations, 10 if you cut Iron Cohort support - so either 5 or 6 new ones. I count 30 detachments, current upgrades are Veltarii/Charonite Ogryns for Tercios, and Marauder Pathfinder, Colossus, and Destroyer upgrades for Marauder Bombers which brings us to 35. Not sure how we get to 40, but if the split leman russ strike into battle and vanquisher, and superheavy tanks to baneblade and hellhammer that gives us 37. Auxiliaries w flamers for 38. Still dont know how we get to 40.

The Mechanicum pack contains 39 datasheet cards including Detachment upgrades, and 27 Formation cards. Currently they have 13 formations including dark mech and the 2 support formations. If you add the other mechanicum support formations for the other factions that gets you to 18, leaving 9 unaccounted for. With the other two packs im figuring they are mainly support formations for inclusion with other factions, but as the Mechanicum already have those im guessing we are looking at about 4-5 new formations each for mechanicum and dark mechanicum, unless they are including the current 10 titanicus/questoris formations, which means i either miscounted or we are losing a formation. Possible they are merging the loyalist/traitor taghma sub-covenant formations since they are identical aside from allegiance? Detachment wise I count 34 if you double count mechanicum vs dark mechanicum, otherwise its 23. There are currently no upgrades. If you add knights and titans you get 34 by my count, plus 5 upgrades (armiger, moirax, atropos, styrix, megaera) which seems to support the inclusion of knight/titan stuff in this set and the taghma sub-covenants are being merged.

So - likely new stuff:

Astartes - 6 new formations, im guessing a couple will be for arty/heavy tank focused purposes, the remainder will probably be support formations for some combination of SA/Mechanicum/Knights/Titans. If I were to guess not every faction will get one or there will be a common formation shared by multiple factions, or they just say astartes are good on arty and superheavies with the currently available formations and just do one support formation per factiom. Possible one or two new unannounced detachments as well (Vindicator laser destroyer?) Or they are separating up a couple things.

Auxilia - 6 new formations, im guessing all support (one per faction including auxilia). Some stuff is gstting split and/or theres some new detachments in there currently unannounced.

Mechanicum - Nothing new, loyalist/traitor taghma formations merged, includes knight/titan cards.

Rulebook, Tokens, and the card sets (which at least hopefully have the errata integrated)...

Liber designers notes

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kamqgjvb/legions-imperialis-designers-notes-how-the-liber-strategia-shakes-up-the-whole-game/

Designer article up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kamqgjvb/legions-imperialis-designers-notes-how-the-liber-strategia-shakes-up-the-whole-game/

@chaos0xomega looks like you're thinking on the cards lines up pretty well - split Leman Russes and and Malcadors (given as examples), so looks likely that's where the additional cards come from.

Bit of a shame as pretty much indirectly confirms there's nothing else new coming.

Otherwise the balance changes look like they might be positive, not much detail but the examples are I think in the right direction, e.g. extra dice for assault cannon Contemptors and points reductions for Titans and Knights...

How does it confirm nothing new is coming? I mean, GW could milk it out by releasing an updated version of this book and then another, and then compile them into another compendium, and so on.

Seems like wider changes than expected, this could effectively be LI v1.5

 Malika2 wrote:
How does it confirm nothing new is coming? I mean, GW could milk it out by releasing an updated version of this book and then another, and then compile them into another compendium, and so on.

Indeed. Spesh with…

Warhammer Community Article wrote: Alongside these, you can expect to see legendary Formations such as the Theta-Garmon ‘Deathless’ Sub-Cohort and the White Scars Chogorian Warband. These open up exciting new opportunities for additional content in the future…

 Malika2 wrote:
How does it confirm nothing new is coming? I mean, GW could milk it out by releasing an updated version of this book and then another, and then compile them into another compendium, and so on.

They mean nothing else within this book, i.e. it probably doesn't contain rules for Fellblades or other unannounced models.

 Malika2 wrote:
How does it confirm nothing new is coming? I mean, GW could milk it out by releasing an updated version of this book and then another, and then compile them into another compendium, and so on.

As in nothing else new (e.g. unpreviewed) in the compendium. Some folks had speculated the card numbers meant there were other new models in the book that hadn't been previewed yet - stuff like Fellblades. Instead looks like chaos0xomega maths was right and the extra cards are just split out of old detachments and upgrades.

I hope there is more to follow later, but who knows! Though if they're planning any more it wouldn't be hard (and surely would make sense?) to drop a little line at the end of one of the articles about the new book (assuming we get any others in addition to todays) saying some kind of "more to come in the future!" (hadn't clocked the below at this point!)

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
How does it confirm nothing new is coming? I mean, GW could milk it out by releasing an updated version of this book and then another, and then compile them into another compendium, and so on.

Indeed. Spesh with…

Warhammer Community Article wrote: Alongside these, you can expect to see legendary Formations such as the Theta-Garmon ‘Deathless’ Sub-Cohort and the White Scars Chogorian Warband. These open up exciting new opportunities for additional content in the future…

Ah, good catch! Missed that, curious how legendary formations open up opportunities for additional content themselves - unless they include slots for as yet unreleased options or something...? Curious!

It's coming with a good chunk of new models for the Space Marines so feels like a solid 1.5 update book. Just the kind of thing to lower the weight and bloat carrying and referencing to games and leaving them in an ideal position for the next book to add more new things.

And even at a casual glance we an all spot things for the Solar and Mechanicum that need models. Solar can easily have a bunch more tanks and at least one more troop boxed set - probably one themed around scouting and fast attack with rough-riders, regular sentinels and a few more infantry types.




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Piousservant wrote:

I hope there is more to follow later, but who knows! Though if they're planning any more it wouldn't be hard (and surely would make sense?) to drop a little line at the end of one of the articles about the new book (assuming we get any others in addition to todays) saying some kind of "more to come in the future!"

Something like

Alongside these, you can expect to see legendary Formations such as the Theta-Garmon ‘Deathless’ Sub-Cohort and the White Scars Chogorian Warband. These open up exciting new opportunities for additional content in the future…

I’d still like to see alternative infantry sets for expanding specialist units. Like Assault Marines and Terminators.

I’ve no problem buying multiple sets to get decent sized units, but right now I’m gonna end up with a lot of Taccies I won’t often use.

One nice little thing I notice is, for example in the siege formation, one of the tactical stands has an apothecary on it - a way for us to use those redundant HQ pieces. Hopefully, we’ll see veteran stands that mix in those spare plasma gunners and missile launchers

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’d still like to see alternative infantry sets for expanding specialist units. Like Assault Marines and Terminators.

I’ve no problem buying multiple sets to get decent sized units, but right now I’m gonna end up with a lot of Taccies I won’t often use.

That's just getting you read for the 3rd edition where army size is double what it is now for a standard game.



And considering how big 40K armies are now compared to 2nd and even 3rd edition 40K and how big epic 40K and titan legion armies were - yeah its not a huge stretch ^^

Many Titans and Knights have seen significant points drops, as well as adjustments to Ion Save characteristics, while Armigers are now a Detachment of their own.

Hopefully this means that Armigers are finally on their way to plastic.

Also a very important Information:

These open up exciting new opportunities for additional content in the future…

I really, really hope that does means new models in the future; but being a bit of an Eeyore given the context in which it is used it could be that future "content" could literally just be a bunch of PDFs with extra "Iconic Detachments", a bit like the HH Exemplary Battles...

If the new book were on its own without any new models I'd be more concerned; but with it coming with a nice chunky update of SM models and the comments in the article all sound positive that there's more around the corner.

How long that corner is is anyone's guess but we might see another expansion much later in the year if we are lucky. It's still only August, we've got 3 full regular months to go beyond this and even just a Christmas bundle set would be sweet

With this book covering all existing units & detachments it makes me wonder if this is clearing the way for an updated rulebook / starter set and soft relaunch of LI as the next release. Likely not a full new edition of the game, just a revised book that incorporates the FAQ changes from earlier this year while also being thinner / lighter.
A new starter set can try and bring in more players by offering a different selection of models, such as pure marines like in Age of Darkness / Saturnine.

 xttz wrote:
With this book covering all existing units & detachments it makes me wonder if this is clearing the way for an updated rulebook / starter set and soft relaunch of LI as the next release. Likely not a full new edition of the game, just a revised book that incorporates the FAQ changes from earlier this year while also being thinner / lighter.
A new starter set can try and bring in more players by offering a different selection of models, such as pure marines like in Age of Darkness / Saturnine.

This does feel like the next step for the game. There's not much point in continuing with the current rule book with mostly outdated content.

I'm wondering if they'll announce it at Nova...

If its any hope Firestorm are apparently sitting on LOADS of kits right now for LI so they at least either over-ordered like mad or see it as a very strong selling game with a future

 Overread wrote:
If its any hope Firestorm are apparently sitting on LOADS of kits right now for LI so they at least either over-ordered like mad or see it as a very strong selling game with a future

Looking at their prices, it’s no wonder they’re sat on a load of kits. Can get them for cheaper elsewhere

 zedmeister wrote:

 Overread wrote:
If its any hope Firestorm are apparently sitting on LOADS of kits right now for LI so they at least either over-ordered like mad or see it as a very strong selling game with a future

Looking at their prices, it’s no wonder they’re sat on a load of kits. Can get them for cheaper elsewhere

Yeah, they look to generally be a couple of quid more expensive than most other places.

Surely it's at most LI 1.1 if it is the first significant revision?

I am a little disappointed that they seem to be balancing titans by making them cheaper. I would prefer to make them stronger so they still feel titanic. On the other hand, this does make it easier to field them, and I do so like the models.

The Warmaster stood out the most as being way too cheap compared to the other Titans, but to have free weapon options was also bizarre. Coming in from AT it just didn't feel right at all.

 sigkill wrote:
Surely it's at most LI 1.1 if it is the first significant revision?

I am a little disappointed that they seem to be balancing titans by making them cheaper. I would prefer to make them stronger so they still feel titanic. On the other hand, this does make it easier to field them, and I do so like the models.

As I see it the issue is that the game is "new" so armies are numerically smaller; which means you end up not being able to take many titan models because they get pointed up for their higher power.

Which is not as fun for those wanting to run titan forces or even to splice in a few allied titans to a regular army.

So bringing them down makes some sense in the short term. Long term if the game remains healthy is we should see the number of models in a standard game go up (just like we see in most others as the mature). I noted earlier somewhere that typical Epic 40K games and such would have a lot more individual models on the table.