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$130USD/$160 Canadian. NA guide doesn't have European prices, sorry!

 Kanluwen wrote:
$130USD/$160 Canadian. NA guide doesn't have European prices, sorry!

Is that the same as Warcry: Hunter & Hunted?

Correct.

Yes, the Striking Scorpions still have their Shrine marker like the others.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Is that the same as Warcry: Hunter & Hunted?

So that's AUD$220 then.

That's a discount on the minis (which will be around $300 combined when they're released separately)... but not enough to warrant getting two, especially if you don't care about all the KT stuff.

Has there been any word about which aspect warriors will get rules support in this expansion?

 Pariah Press wrote:
Has there been any word about which aspect warriors will get rules support in this expansion?

I thought there was a blurb about mixed aspect KTs, but can’t find the reference. The plastics that are in scale should be a given, unsure about if they will bother with the ones still in finecast, or the non-infantry ones (shining spears could be a maybe, but crimson hinters should be right out)

 Pariah Press wrote:
Has there been any word about which aspect warriors will get rules support in this expansion?

Dire Avengers, Scorpions, Banshees

I would have liked to get the unique terrain sprue but I don't need either team, so...

Haven't decided if the platform box is worth it.

The rational me thinks it'd be better just to buy the teams I like from ebay separately and then just buy the 2024 Annual for all the team rules later next summer, but the impulsive me kind of wants those Scouts ASAP as they are the last missing infantry models for my Angels (in the modern scale). Would need to know more about the cards, tokens and other doodads in the box to know if they are mandatory for playing Season 3. If they are, they will also be present on the next 3 boxes, or will be available separately.

I'm assuming Ash will have a video up about the box on saturday, but by then it might be already too late to commit, historically the last few KT21 boxes have sold out in minutes. OTOH there will be 3 more boxes like this, and I will always be able to get the Scouts from ebay at least.. maybe not worth stressing about it

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Is that the same as Warcry: Hunter & Hunted?

So that's AUD$220 then.

That's a discount on the minis (which will be around $300 combined when they're released separately)... but not enough to warrant getting two, especially if you don't care about all the KT stuff.

At first I was a little suprised at the cost, then I realized that aspect boxes of five go for $45-$60 USD, and the scouts will either be $60 for ten or $45 for five as well... that's a lot of stuff. The single terrain sprue is underwhelming, but it's a good box.

 Polonius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Is that the same as Warcry: Hunter & Hunted?

So that's AUD$220 then.

That's a discount on the minis (which will be around $300 combined when they're released separately)... but not enough to warrant getting two, especially if you don't care about all the KT stuff.

At first I was a little suprised at the cost, then I realized that aspect boxes of five go for $45-$60 USD, and the scouts will either be $60 for ten or $45 for five as well... that's a lot of stuff. The single terrain sprue is underwhelming, but it's a good box.

This was my thoughts - these guys are going to be released as 5's I assume or logically the kill teams box offers no saving.

Since KT21 is on life support, its possible the saving in this box are marginal, at least compared to something like "Into The Dark", which was the best value KT21 box so far IMO

Is Kill Team on life support?

I know we have the new season, on the platform terrain, but I vaguely recall hearing we were due for a new edition/starter in the not-to-distant future?

Pretty sure we are not at the life support stage yet.

If anything, the upcoming box seems to be along the lines of "Crypt of Blood" for WarCry:
something that should have been a "mid-season" box to add some new scenery and reuse assets from the other ranges in a new format.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/12/whats-new-in-kill-team-salvation/

 Nevelon wrote:
I know we have the new season, on the platform terrain, but I vaguely recall hearing we were due for a new edition/starter in the not-to-distant future?

We can only hope the next edition will have an even more intuitive system for distances.

Triangle=1
Square=2
Circle=4
Line=5
Hexagon=5
Pentagon=6

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


We can only hope the next edition will have an even more intuitive system for distances.

Triangle=1
Square=2
Circle=4
Line=5
Hexagon=5
Pentagon=6

The one who invented current system for distances probably thought it is a very innovative game design

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


We can only hope the next edition will have an even more intuitive system for distances.

Triangle=1
Square=2
Circle=4
Line=5
Hexagon=5
Pentagon=6

The one who invented current system for distances probably thought it is a very innovative game design

Apparently it exists because the writers playtested it with some people who have never played any wargames or more complex than monopoly, they didn't have tape measures handy or want to use them overly, so they wanted something they could easily use out the box ala board games and here we are.

Remember kids a 6" stick is less confusing if it's called the triangle stick.

Dudeface wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


We can only hope the next edition will have an even more intuitive system for distances.

Triangle=1
Square=2
Circle=4
Line=5
Hexagon=5
Pentagon=6

The one who invented current system for distances probably thought it is a very innovative game design

Apparently it exists because the writers playtested it with some people who have never played any wargames or more complex than monopoly, they didn't have tape measures handy or want to use them overly, so they wanted something they could easily use out the box ala board games and here we are.

I haven't heard that (the part about monopoly and the tap measures). They did want an "all in one" boxed game though. During playtesting they didn't use shapes, everything was based on color only, they added the shapes later as an accessibility accommodation for those who struggle with color blindness, apparently the idea that there should be a degree of intuition to those symbols never really occurred to them as they apparently didn't have any actual color blind playtesters and everyone just referred to the distances by color the entire time. The design team was flabbergasted when the game eventually released and everyone referred to the distances by shape rather than by color, as it was completely unlike what they had experienced internally (which was, of course, due to the fact that originally everything was solely color based and there were no shapes to speak of, and adding the shapes later didn't override the established precedent of color for them). I think the fact that the measuring tools as sold are grey unpainted pieces of plastic that most people never bothered to paint probably also had something to do with the community shifting into shape recognition rather than color recognition as well. The apparent assumption that everyone would paint their measuring tools apparently overestimated the laziness of the community.

Kinda just goes to reinforce the idea that GWs designers are kind of out of touch with the playerbase and community, set up in their ivory towers as it were, from which they have a warped and distorted view of how people actually play their games.

Dudeface wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


We can only hope the next edition will have an even more intuitive system for distances.

Triangle=1
Square=2
Circle=4
Line=5
Hexagon=5
Pentagon=6

The one who invented current system for distances probably thought it is a very innovative game design

Apparently it exists because the writers playtested it with some people who have never played any wargames or more complex than monopoly, they didn't have tape measures handy or want to use them overly, so they wanted something they could easily use out the box ala board games and here we are.

I bet that they invented that poorly thought out excuse after being pointed how absurd their system is.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Apparently it exists because the writers playtested it with some people who have never played any wargames or more complex than monopoly, they didn't have tape measures handy or want to use them overly, so they wanted something they could easily use out the box ala board games and here we are.

I bet that they invented that poorly thought out excuse after being pointed how absurd their system is.

There's another part, purportedly, in that the idea was to have a measuring tool that didn't require numbers on it to cut down on localization requirements and arguments.

It's no less absurd than the various "special" dice that many games seem to have as gimmicks these days.

 Kanluwen wrote:


It's no less absurd than the various "special" dice that many games seem to have as gimmicks these days.

Yeah agreed, but we are not talking that having such a tool is an absurd idea but that their implementation of that idea is absurd - see lord_blackfang's comment above which sums it up beautifully.

The story I heard was that to be compliant with ISO 9000 or whatever they could not use inches, so rather than come up with a game using centimeters they decided that triangles would equal 4" or whatever.

I think the only takeaway here is that company stans are always happy to invent excuses

(not calling any person here that, just the originators of these theories)

I bet you guys havent played KT21 BLACK bit

As far as I'm concerned, the game is on life support, until second edition launches next summer.. I constantly follow at least BLUE solid rumor sources and WHITE tubers so I know whassup

The WHC article revealed today doesnt get my hopes up tbh

An ancillary measuring device just seems a bit of an odd thing to get so antsy over imo

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is Kill Team on life support?

If it is on life support then its getting the fruit and beverage treatment with Bupa. Other games still can't even get an appointment with the NHS.