Killteam 2023-news and rumors

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**Shadow Walker**

Manchu wrote:
Who are NLs fighting in the next release? GSC?

Would be great. GSC and Tyranids are the two KTs I am really waiting for.

**xttz**

Manchu wrote:
Who are NLs fighting in the next release? GSC?

The current rumours are:
CSM Night Lords vs DE Mandrakes
Then it's some combination of these four to complete the season: Tau Vespids, GSC, Eldar Swooping Hawks, Guard/Scions

GiToRaZor wrote:

That gives a very good indication that a Terminator Killteam is in the pipe.

When this KT season is finished, I wonder if we'll see a new season/edition on a slightly larger 'scale'. It would be interesting to see them move away from releasing GEQ units in favour of more upscaled TEQs. An assault terminator kit is especially overdue.

**Dysartes**

GCPD.

**Tastyfish**

The vespid vs hawks rumours I thought were from a shakier source than the night lords ones (of Valrak's sources) that came out back when there was talk of the 'season of flyers'.

There's a competing set of rumours from reddit that has Chaos vs Genestealers and Tau vs Covens as the next two. Guess we'll find out next weekend (or in the previews running up to it).

**Manchu**

Mandrakes make a lot of sense because of the infiltration theme.
So maybe also a T’au stealthsuit team. Although I sure would love to see plastic Vespid.

**Tastyfish**

Looks like it might be Mandrakes from this preview - I still find it hard to imagine that we're going to get Scorpions/Banshees/Dire Avengers as a team and an entirely separate Swooping Hawks one in the same season though.

**Kanluwen**

Wasn't the Swooping Hawks and Vespid thing all just "speculation"? I remember Valrak kept waffling about, and his videos are annoying to watch because of that.

Personal opinion:
Mandrakes aren't going to be part of a "vs" box. Night Lords and Mandrakes(if true) might be coming as individual KTs, released ala the Vulkyn Flameseekers and Kruleboy Monster Hunters, whenever the next box comes out.

**Tastyfish**

Feels a bit strange to mix up the new format that quickly? There is a bit of Bheta-Decima terrain we've not seen official previewed, something a bit crate-y - so at least one more sprue of terrain/objectives to go somewhere too.

**Shakalooloo**

Tastyfish wrote:
Feels a bit strange to mix up the new format that quickly? There is a bit of Bheta-Decima terrain we've not seen official previewed, something a bit crate-y - so at least one more sprue of terrain/objectives to go somewhere too.

Gallowdark had a new sprue with each new box-set, so presumably we'll get a little something for each release this wave, even if they're not bundling the basic terrain in for a big box this time.

**KidCthulhu**

I could be wrong, but that looks like a Mandrake profile to me...

**Kanluwen**

Tastyfish wrote:
Feels a bit strange to mix up the new format that quickly? There is a bit of Bheta-Decima terrain we've not seen official previewed, something a bit crate-y - so at least one more sprue of terrain/objectives to go somewhere too.

That's not really "mixing up the new format" though...it's just copying what they did with WarCry, which they already did by having the Big Scenery bit sold separately.

It's entirely possible that I've overthought this, but it's already weird enough that a season set on a Mechanicus-held world still didn't deliver a bespoke Mechanicus KT sprue.

**GaroRobe**

I couldn’t figure out what was going on with the shoulder, since mandrakes don’t use armor. It’s definitely creepy fire

**Kanluwen**

GaroRobe wrote:
I couldn’t figure out what was going on with the shoulder, since mandrakes don’t use armor. It’s definitely creepy fire

Or it's bark.

I say this because there have been some extremely adamant rumors of Kurnothi getting more than just Belthanos. The whole 'bark armor' thing was played up in one of the Dawnbringer shorts.

**Manchu**

Salvation is a really good box, I hope they keep this kind of format for the rest of the season.

**tauist**

Manchu wrote:
Salvation is a really good box, I hope they keep this kind of format for the rest of the season.

I hope so, that would mean I could skip the entire season to be honest (which my wallet would love)

**Tastyfish**

Kanluwen wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
I couldn’t figure out what was going on with the shoulder, since mandrakes don’t use armor. It’s definitely creepy fire

Or it's bark.

I say this because there have been some extremely adamant rumors of Kurnothi getting more than just Belthanos. The whole 'bark armor' thing was played up in one of the Dawnbringer shorts.

It's a decent guess and I've seen some good conversions that used the tree spirit heads to make plastic mandrakes, though what's missing from the picture is the quote "we'll be shining a light into the darkest of shadows" which makes it much more likely to be mandrakes (or shadow elves for AoS)

**H.B.M.C.**

I want to see what extra terrain they have up their sleeves.

**Cyel**

tauist wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Salvation is a really good box, I hope they keep this kind of format for the rest of the season.

I hope so, that would mean I could skip the entire season to be honest (which my wallet would love)

Yup, going from extremely unique and characterful models with unique and characterful terrain to generic 40k box contents and no terrain made me really disintetested in the incoming 3 season boxes

**deano2099**

callidusx3 wrote:
deano2099 wrote:
Shakalooloo wrote:
Other previous Kill Teams havce had more members in the box than they can have on the board, so it's nothing new with the Aspect Warriors.

Sort of. I think the difference here is that in previous boxes you could still build the excess models differently and have them in your list. So for tournament or campaign play you could swap them in or out.
My understanding with this is the variety in this team comes from different aspects, but the individuals models don't have builds that are any different (in Kill Team) - so there's literally no point to building those last three models, because they do the exact same thing in game as the other five.

So it's a bit weird. Hardly unforgivable, but yeah it does seem it'd make more sense to design the in-box team around those models then publish the combined aspects team in White Dwarf instead. Or as some have said, do a new sprue with three of each. *That* wouldn't be anything new as you've always been restricted with what you could build.

I think the real question is how well a five Scorpion team plays. Not in power level, just in fun. It feels like it basically locks you out of the most interesting element of this team, but I could be wrong be there.

I suspect you are mistaken and KT players will be able to make full use of 10 models in the box. 7 regular Scorpions and 2-3 Exarch models with different loadouts. Seems fine to me.

So yes and no. You can build three different loadouts of exarch from the box, but they all use the same torso so you can't technically build all three. In reality can you stick the Exarch weapons and heads on the other bodies? Probably, not built them yet. But it's not officially supported in the build guide.

**Kanluwen**

Tastyfish wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
I couldn’t figure out what was going on with the shoulder, since mandrakes don’t use armor. It’s definitely creepy fire

Or it's bark.

I say this because there have been some extremely adamant rumors of Kurnothi getting more than just Belthanos. The whole 'bark armor' thing was played up in one of the Dawnbringer shorts.

It's a decent guess and I've seen some good conversions that used the tree spirit heads to make plastic mandrakes, though what's missing from the picture is the quote "we'll be shining a light into the darkest of shadows" which makes it much more likely to be mandrakes (or shadow elves for AoS)

If you wanna get technical, the exact wording is:

We'll be shining the bright lights of Las Vegas into the darkest of shadows!

What do you think we'll be revealing at our next online preview?

It's system agnostic and it isn't related to that image specifically.

It could be:
-a reference to Mandrakes
-a reference to WarCry's next setting
-a reference to events in Ulgu for AoS
-a reference to Kill Team's current setting, in general

**ursvamp**

Something I’m very curious about, regarding the Mandrake kill-team; Kill Teams usually have specialists, right? So they usually consists of units with several options on how to kit some of the individual models. And in some cases come with a unique upgrade sprue, to make the base kit into a Kill Team.

But Mandrakes traditionally don’t have any options (not even for the Night Fiend). So should we expect that to change with the new kit? And in the future also in the codex? Or will they get one of those added sprues? (But as far as I know they don’t usually do two of those in the same box, right? And we already know that’s what they’re doing with the Night Lords)

I know that Strikings Scorpions were basically in the same boat. And I’m assuming that’s why their KT can include some other Aspect Warriors, to make specialists. But they can’t really do that with mandrakes (I guess they -vould- do a Bldes For Hire-themed kill team. But sounds weird. Hired by whom? 😅)

**The Phazer**

New Valrak rumour this morning - the next box set is Genestealer Cults vs Votann.

Genestealer Cults will be a new upgrade sprue for the new Cadians to make them Brood Brothers (makes sense, the old sprue still kinda works but isn't great).

Votann is entirely new and is Pioneers (i.e. the grav bike guys) on foot.

**lord_blackfang**

Well that sounds terrible

**The Phazer**

Not super ideal for the GC upgrade sprue to be stuck in a box with some Cadians tbh, you can buy the current one on it's own to use with other units like Necromunda models.

**chaos0xomega**

Hmm, I just sold 40 spare cadians, kinda regret it if thats true.

**Chopstick**

The Pioneer had a better looking version of the revolvers so this team might be a better kit to get that bit.

**Kanluwen**

The Phazer wrote:
Not super ideal for the GC upgrade sprue to be stuck in a box with some Cadians tbh, you can buy the current one on it's own to use with other units like Necromunda models.

Now imagine how Guard players will feel if the GSC frame is literally just returning the missing options to the Cadian box.

And when recalling the Cadian upgrade frame that lasted barely two years was never sold separately.

**Mr_Rose**

How likely is it that the Votann would receive another Kill Team set (especially so soon after their first one) exactly?
I can’t help but think that something is off about this.

**Kanluwen**

Mr_Rose wrote:
How likely is it that the Votann would receive another Kill Team set (especially so soon after their first one) exactly?
I can’t help but think that something is off about this.

I mean, Mandrakes would be the same time between Drukhari KTs, assuming that the Votann v GSC is after the purported "Nightmare" box..

**chaos0xomega**

i believe one of the unsolved rumor engines is a votann revolver ala the pioneers. Lends credence to the rumor.