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I've been tempted by a Chaos army for 40K for some time now. I have resisted the temptation so far but as we know if you spend long enough exposed to Chaos you'll always succumb eventually...

My idea of a Chaos army has changed over time but over the last few years I've had my eye on Slaanesh. I like Chaos Daemons but I'd like the main theme of the army to be Slaanesh worshipping Cultists backed up by some Space Marines (not necessarily just Noise Marines).

My question: When the Emperor's Children finally releases what will it look like?

Of course there's not many people who can answer that question accurately, those who can aren't allowed to. So I guess this just comes down to wild speculation, at least for now. Especially since 10th Edition hasn't been released yet we don't even know for sure what an Emperor's Children army built using the Chaos Space Marines codex will look like. Some of my thoughts / concerns:

I have acquired some Cultists over the years, and (luckily for me) I managed to get a copy of Kill Team Ashes of Faith, so that will give a big boost to my dream of a Chaos army once it arrives. Will they even be playable in the Emperor's Children codex though? Take World Eaters for example: Currently the only Cultists they can take are Jakhals. The more generic Cultists are not playable if you go with a World Eaters army. Would I be wasting my time painting up my Cultists and Accursed Cultists with a view of adding them to an Emperor's Children army?

There are some other Chaos Space Marine units I like the look of too. These include:
The Forgefiend
Obliterators (the Venomcrawler is OK but I'd only buy it because it comes in the same box as Obliterators)
Terminators
Havocs
Warp Talons

Would I be safe buying these, or is it likely that they won't be part of the Emperor's Children codex? As I said earlier none of us really knows the answer to this question yet, would be interesting to hear other people's thoughts though.

Of course one option would be to build a Chaos Space Marine army with a strong Slaanesh theme, even after the Emperor's Children codex is released. I may end up doing that, depending on how much the EC codex appeals to me.



Also, it's annoying that when we go with a strongly themed Chaos Space Marine army (Death Guard, Thousand Sons or World Eaters) we have little to no choice of Daemons to take. Since those armies lean so heavily to one Chaos god I would have thought they should have access to that god's Daemons. I guess GW didn't want to dilute the Chaos Daemons Codex though.

So yeah, let the rampant speculation commence.
   
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El Torro wrote:

My question: When the Emperor's Children finally releases what will it look like?

Of course there's not many people who can answer that question accurately, those who can aren't allowed to. So I guess this just comes down to wild speculation, at least for now. Especially since 10th Edition hasn't been released yet we don't even know for sure what an Emperor's Children army built using the Chaos Space Marines codex will look like. Some of my thoughts / concerns:

Considering we have three dedicated legions release across three editions, we can draw some conclusions which have a high chance of being true for EC as well:
- You will lose access to almost all units from codex CSM, barring the basics like rhinos, predators, helbrutes, daemon princes, chaos lords and sorcerers.
- Lucius and EC will absolutely get new models and will be taller and much better looking than the current ones.
- You will get new HQs which will be better and more interesting than you bog standard sorcerer or chaos lord
- There might or might not be new terminators. CSM terminators will likely still be playable, but might have sub-optimal wargear.
In other words - no matter what army you build now it will be unplayable once Codex: EC hits.


Would I be wasting my time painting up my Cultists and Accursed Cultists with a view of adding them to an Emperor's Children army?

Absolutely. While some flavor of cultists might be part of the EC, GW will take measures to make sure that they aren't central to your army. Accursed Cultists are almost guaranteed to be out.

There are some other Chaos Space Marine units I like the look of too. These include:
The Forgefiend
Obliterators (the Venomcrawler is OK but I'd only buy it because it comes in the same box as Obliterators)
Terminators
Havocs
Warp Talons

Would I be safe buying these, or is it likely that they won't be part of the Emperor's Children codex?

If I had to place a bet, I'd place it on everything but terminators not being in the book. Neither forgefiend nor warp talons strike me as particularly slaaneshi and obliterators and havocs have been excluded from DG and WE despite their being strong lore support for them.

As I said earlier none of us really knows the answer to this question yet, would be interesting to hear other people's thoughts though.

Long before codex WE was announce, I told people crying for their own codex to be careful what they whish for and that their current WE armies will be completely invalidated. They all told me that I didn't know what I was talking about.

Someone who ignores what we know about the transition from CSM to TS, DG and WE today and buys an army of EC anyways absolutely deserves to get their whole army invalidated. The only thing we don't know about Codex: EC is what completely new units it will contain.

Of course one option would be to build a Chaos Space Marine army with a strong Slaanesh theme, even after the Emperor's Children codex is released. I may end up doing that, depending on how much the EC codex appeals to me.

Since you already know which models you want, just go for a Slaanshi warband like the Flawless Host or one of your own creation. This way you have guaranteed continued support for your army and when EC is to your liking, just start a second one (or sell your first one).

Also, it's annoying that when we go with a strongly themed Chaos Space Marine army (Death Guard, Thousand Sons or World Eaters) we have little to no choice of Daemons to take. Since those armies lean so heavily to one Chaos god I would have thought they should have access to that god's Daemons. I guess GW didn't want to dilute the Chaos Daemons Codex though.

They do have access to their corresponding daemons though? Both in 9th and in 10th.

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I have no idea what 10th has in store for Emperor's Children. I am very interested in seeing next month's Chaos Marine cards to learn if I can field my Emperor's Children army which primarily consists of Noise Marines and Terminators.

No earth shattering, thought provoking quote. I'm just someone who was introduced to 40K in the late 80's and it's become a lifelong hobby. 
   
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Expect to lose access to most infantry types. Oblits, Warp Talons and Havocs? They won't be in the eventual EC 'Dex.

I like to believe that the World Eater book is just a half-Codex, awaiting their "second wave" and our proper Berzerker Terminators, but the realist in me knows that this isn't the case and that all the World Eaters gained from being torn from the CSM Codex was a lot of missing units.

Truth is all the Legion Codices are half-measures, with only really Death Guard getting a lot of extra stuff to make up for what they lost. 1KSons didn't even get that, getting most of their "extra" units from Warhammer Fantasy transplants.

So hooray for plastic Noise Marines, I guess...

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Expect to lose access to most infantry types. Oblits, Warp Talons and Havocs? They won't be in the eventual EC 'Dex.

I like to believe that the World Eater book is just a half-Codex, awaiting their "second wave" and our proper Berzerker Terminators, but the realist in me knows that this isn't the case and that all the World Eaters gained from being torn from the CSM Codex was a lot of missing units.

Truth is all the Legion Codices are half-measures, with only really Death Guard getting a lot of extra stuff to make up for what they lost. 1KSons didn't even get that, getting most of their "extra" units from Warhammer Fantasy transplants.

So hooray for plastic Noise Marines, I guess...



And if people are lucky, maybe a couple of sigmar ports (although that snot terrible, there are some good gribblies).
   
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Nothing will come close to Death Guard for units because none of them are going to be the army of a given Edition. Tsons are like 30% AoS ports because GW doesn't know what to do and WE are just a poor showing.
EC will get Lucius, Fulgrim, a generic HQ, Noise Marines, a Cultist unit, and another extra unit of some sort then that will be it until the next Codex where GW will port AoS Slaangors over and call it a day.
   
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Now you just reminded me that they didn't port the Slaughterbrute over. That was a freebie, and they still fethed it up.

They really never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity...

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Thanks for the well informed (better informed than mine anyway ) opinions guys. Food for thought at least.

I'm planning to paint up my Cultists for Kill Team in a Slaaneshi theme anyway. If it turns out that I can't use them in an EC codex then so be it.

I won't be buying any more Chaos models until 10th is released anyway, what I currently have (plus all my other projects ) will keep me busy until then.


What I really want is a Traitor Guard or usable Renegade & Heretics codex that will allow me to field some Chaos Space Marines (especially Noise Marines) as back up. That's a whole other story though.
   
 
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