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So, dudes, where are you going to make the 10th edition rosters? Army Builder has been abandoned for a long time, Battlescribe has not been updated recently either, the online browsers apps that I knew have stopped working too. Any other?

While it is only in beta right now one thing you can look into is Rosterizer.

Battlescribe has also said they're going to be a while before they cross into 10th? I think there's some sort of technical issue with the changes to army creation their current system has trouble with.

Breton wrote:
Battlescribe has also said they're going to be a while before they cross into 10th? I think there's some sort of technical issue with the changes to army creation their current system has trouble with.

the long and short of it is that the developer for the app (who is not the person updating the rosters, thats a seperate community) has basically stopped updating the backend of hte app, and the app is slowly breaking as cumulative small changes to the host operating systems are not reflected in the battlescribe code. The community that actually keeps the rosters up to date have basically said its effectively impossible to actually implement the 10th edition into battlescribe, at least without active involvment form the mostly absent developer.

so its highly likely the battlescribe never migrates to 10th edition.

Battlescribe is dead. Even if he resurfaces and fixes the app, he has already lost the community that was updating all the data.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

Breton wrote:
Battlescribe has also said they're going to be a while before they cross into 10th? I think there's some sort of technical issue with the changes to army creation their current system has trouble with.

the long and short of it is that the developer for the app (who is not the person updating the rosters, thats a seperate community) has basically stopped updating the backend of hte app, and the app is slowly breaking as cumulative small changes to the host operating systems are not reflected in the battlescribe code. The community that actually keeps the rosters up to date have basically said its effectively impossible to actually implement the 10th edition into battlescribe, at least without active involvment form the mostly absent developer.

so its highly likely the battlescribe never migrates to 10th edition.

And with BS author happy to rake money not willing to do any fixes(beside credit card info so that money keeps flowing) even if there would be some way to hack around to get 10e files...unsurprisingly datafile creators aren't exactly motivated to do it the hard way(if even possible) for free for sake of guy doing nothing getting money.

The official one is pretty good.

 AduroT wrote:
The official one is pretty good.

Yeah - my biggest issue with it is it not automatically adding & removing wargear.

 AduroT wrote:
The official one is pretty good.

Isn't it going to be restricted to subscribers only after like a month? I think I heard something along those lines. The datasheets will be free, but the army builder will be paid.

There's a message at the top of it saying:

You have full access to the Battle Forge army building tool for a limited time only.

But I don't recall seeing "full access" or "limited time" defined anywhere.

beast_gts wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
The official one is pretty good.

Yeah - my biggest issue with it is it not automatically adding & removing wargear.

It doesn't automatically add wargear when you add models, doesn't remove it when you add weapon swaps, it doesn't even check for legality i.e. you can tell it you have a Brutalis with Heavy Bolters, Multimeltas, Brutalis Fists and Brutalis Talons, and it doesn't tell you you can't.

I just tried and adding everything to brutalis flags list as illegal and tells you to fix brutalis dreadnought

Maybe they updated it, or maybe my old man eyes can't see it on an itty bitty phone screen.

There's green/yellow box on bottom left. If there's errors it shows yellow. Otherwise green. Pressing it opens up errors(in aos equilavent is also path for army wide selections you need to do for army list. Grand strategies being primary one but also stuff like kharadron's allegiance traits they get to choose. Not sure does 40k even have anything equilavent now but if yes that's where i would look for)

With adding up points costs now at almost preschool maths level, do you need an app to do it for you?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
With adding up points costs now at almost preschool maths level, do you need an app to do it for you?

I work Tech Support for a living, and I think of all the people I have to help and what I have to help them with. I'm amazed some of them don't need an app to remind them to unzip when they pee. Beyond that, there's a convenience factor not a math factor most of us are looking for in this sort of app - its more about the collating than the math.

The GW app has been solid for me.

Building the army and adding points is much simpler than 9th but the app is great for in game play.

A nice feature is all the data is hyperlinked for each unit entry. I use it with a tablet and it is very easy to build the army and use it in game.

I have my army list pulled up on my tablet and can easily reference all aspects of it during gameplay.

Huge improvement from 9th edition's GW app.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
With adding up points costs now at almost preschool maths level, do you need an app to do it for you?

The problem's not so much adding the points, as having the info to hand for all your units. The PDFs are really annoying to have to look through to find each of your units, especially when you often have to cross-reference that unit with the Leader that's in it. The fact each unit now has its own special rule makes it even more annoying, because it's that much harder to memorise everything you need to know about a given unit now. Maybe that will come with time and experience.

The cards are a nice concept for referencing your units during the game, which is probably why every other game I can think of uses something very similar. The problem with GW's implementation, as ever, is the cost of the official cards. A roster app that stores everything for you and is able to be reference during the game would be ideal, but it looks like GW will remove that functionality when the first Codex drops, unless you pay for the WH+ subscription.

Slipspace wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
With adding up points costs now at almost preschool maths level, do you need an app to do it for you?

The problem's not so much adding the points, as having the info to hand for all your units. The PDFs are really annoying to have to look through to find each of your units, especially when you often have to cross-reference that unit with the Leader that's in it. The fact each unit now has its own special rule makes it even more annoying, because it's that much harder to memorise everything you need to know about a given unit now. Maybe that will come with time and experience.

The cards are a nice concept for referencing your units during the game, which is probably why every other game I can think of uses something very similar. The problem with GW's implementation, as ever, is the cost of the official cards. A roster app that stores everything for you and is able to be reference during the game would be ideal, but it looks like GW will remove that functionality when the first Codex drops, unless you pay for the WH+ subscription.

Besides which, you'll have to drill down it sounds like 2-3 times to get the unit info, then back out 2-3 times, and drill down on the leader so you might as well use the PDF in a way. That's a pain point they should try and fix with a Roster View.

I wonder how much work it would be to put together custom cards for things like “Primaris captain attached to Intercessors” or “phobos librarian w/ infiltrators”
If we need to attach them and they can’t leave, would be nice to have one unit card with everything in one place. With the new leader rules, it’s not like we have the zillion options we had in prior editions.

 Nevelon wrote:
I wonder how much work it would be to put together custom cards for things like “Primaris captain attached to Intercessors” or “phobos librarian w/ infiltrators”
If we need to attach them and they can’t leave, would be nice to have one unit card with everything in one place. With the new leader rules, it’s not like we have the zillion options we had in prior editions.

That's definitely a DIY card. GW isn't going to make that one. But its possible in the app if they put in the work.

Edit to Add: As I think about it, it would work well with that Laminated Cards with a single hole punch on a Binder Ring idea I had before. You just put the Heavy Intercessor Card and the Gravis Captain card on the same ring, and pick up a different ring for each unit. After the game, you just put them all back on the big ring until next time (unless its one of your go-to combos then you can probably just keep it like it is.)

Breton wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
I wonder how much work it would be to put together custom cards for things like “Primaris captain attached to Intercessors” or “phobos librarian w/ infiltrators”
If we need to attach them and they can’t leave, would be nice to have one unit card with everything in one place. With the new leader rules, it’s not like we have the zillion options we had in prior editions.

That's definitely a DIY card. GW isn't going to make that one. But its possible in the app if they put in the work.

Yah, enough combos they can’t print them, but something software and templates could do easy. Stretch goal for the app tram.

Think I’ll be making my own cards this edition.

You don't select your leader attachments during list building though, so you may want to change your plans during the declare battle formations step. Probably not often, but in certain matchups you may really not want your psyker in a certain unit, or something.

 Trickstick wrote:
You don't select your leader attachments during list building though, so you may want to change your plans during the declare battle formations step. Probably not often, but in certain matchups you may really not want your psyker in a certain unit, or something.

While true, based on my past experiences from editions where characters leading units was a thing, 95% of the time they start with the units I had in mind when list building.

And a little extra flipping around for those 5% is worth it for simplification on the 95%. YMMV.

 Trickstick wrote:
You don't select your leader attachments during list building though, so you may want to change your plans during the declare battle formations step. Probably not often, but in certain matchups you may really not want your psyker in a certain unit, or something.

Technically true, but I think in practice you will be selecting your Leaders at list creation. The only time that may not be the case is when you have a Lt-type character and two possible units to attach to because of the loosening of restrictions on those characters joining units that already have a Leader.

FYI - my phone just updated the app and the FW stuff is now there.

beast_gts wrote:
FYI - my phone just updated the app and the FW stuff is now there.

I'm guessing mine did too, and now the Unit Price updates to the same price for 6 or for 10 models.


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 Trickstick wrote:
You don't select your leader attachments during list building though, so you may want to change your plans during the declare battle formations step. Probably not often, but in certain matchups you may really not want your psyker in a certain unit, or something.

If you even can. The list of squads various characters are even allowed to join is fairly limiting especially if you're mixing and matching generations and/or armor types.

beast_gts wrote:
FYI - my phone just updated the app and the FW stuff is now there.

This update also fixed the issues with GSC characters getting wargear errors.

Plus knights now get allies.

There's irration where I need to push finger to name plate for a while for keyboard to pop up.

But beats up previous where for some reason it kept deleting my text randomly unless I pressed space after every letter That was irritating bug but haven't heard anybody else have that and the new bug just slows slightly once when starting list.

I’m finding battleforge on the new 40K app to be pretty good