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2023/07/05 08:45:27
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
If they kept to the design principles of old Epic, they could have done the whole 40k range within the production investment they spent on just Marines and Solar. But they chose to do embiggened, fully detailed, multi part tanks instead... they probably even have undersides. A Legions Rhino probably takes more sprue space than 10 Epic Rhinos did. And so we can't have xenos.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2023/07/05 08:53:50
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
I have always wanted to try out Epic, but at the same time I find HH to be the most boring setting in wh40k (Space Marine mirror matches forever is a nightmarish idea for a game IMO).
I appreciate that GW doesn't give us Marines vs Marines in the starter, but the product still holds no appeal to me in its current form.
2023/07/05 21:43:35
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
Yes it would be nice to have proper proper Epic returning. But whilst I still have Hope, my long years of life have taught me to embrace the moment.
Epic is back. That’s the important thing. And like a bairn or a plant? It will need our help and support if we want to see it grow into something worthwhile.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
It will be nice to have more people willing to play the scale, though, even if only with Imperial factions. Once they have the minis, it should be relatively easy to convince them to play the other versions.
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2023/07/06 07:38:40
Subject: Re:Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
Jepp, if anything this release has firmly semented 6mm epic in its place. You lure them in with a demo game of this thing, and if inntrest still remains then show them the REAL epic.
Only challenge from now is to make 6mm print 40k, that looks like 40k whitout getting striked down.
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2023/07/06 07:56:28
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
It will be nice to have more people willing to play the scale, though, even if only with Imperial factions. Once they have the minis, it should be relatively easy to convince them to play the other versions.
That'd be me. I'm down for playing any flavour of Epic, as long as I can use my 2023 GW minis for representing my army on the tabletop
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
2023/07/06 08:25:46
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
It will be nice to have more people willing to play the scale, though, even if only with Imperial factions. Once they have the minis, it should be relatively easy to convince them to play the other versions.
This is my feeling about it too.
On a side note, it will also be nice to be able to support my local gaming store too with some purchases. One of the problems with a community supported game is that generally you're buying miniatures from small online companies and garage casters, and you don't tend to get those minis for sale in shops.
It will be nice to have more people willing to play the scale, though, even if only with Imperial factions. Once they have the minis, it should be relatively easy to convince them to play the other versions.
This is my feeling about it too.
On a side note, it will also be nice to be able to support my local gaming store too with some purchases. One of the problems with a community supported game is that generally you're buying miniatures from small online companies and garage casters, and you don't tend to get those minis for sale in shops.
Yeah, here's hoping the prices are not pants-on-head crazy. The prices when Epic went to Specialist Games with E:A killed it overnight here in Spain. They almost tripled.
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2023/07/06 15:31:16
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
On the price, it will of course be best judged not just on “how much for a box, Bob” but also “and how many such boxes would I need for a reasonably sized army”.
Because we all know most, if not outright all game systems, have a definite minimum game size.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Epic30k is alive and well, but not at all disappointed we get plastic support as well in addition to printing.
We can use the models with either ruleset. The hidden orders thing i LI makes me think they cherry picked from previous editions, myself preferring EA en EpicAU I will be giving it a few tries but can always switch back.
Hoping for narrative scenario and campaign content. Isstvan etc
Happy to see Solar in there! Here's hoping for plastic Mechanicum too (in both 8/32mm).
We'll see the price I guess, people without printers are also going to have to buy a box of Rhinos and Land Raiders which lifts up the price for a functional starter. Download the stl files now is my tip.
I want mk II/III/V and not VI and the 3rd party sculpts are good for III and V so that doesnt put me off but I might trade much of the marine half.
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It will be nice to have more people willing to play the scale, though, even if only with Imperial factions. Once they have the minis, it should be relatively easy to convince them to play the other versions.
How do new players get into epic? How can I buy new minis for it?
2023/07/07 13:10:46
Subject: Re:Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
They would either find some existing players, or gather some likeminded friends and start collecting. Rules and army lists are available freely on netEA or epicUK.
Minis can be found in several ways, fpr example:
Ebay, vanguard miniatures, scourge scenics, onslaught miniatures, micro world games, or with stls and a 3dprinter
Brutal, but kunning!
2023/07/07 16:52:20
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
beast_gts wrote: The rumour is that AI Xenos sales are so low they decided to just go Imperials for the Epic relaunch
It's not a rumor, xeno planes never managed to sell out once ever. But then again, almost no xeno release ever does, most languishing on the shelves for months if not years and only going away after if goes OoP, go figure
mrFickle wrote: The old walking cathedrals probably didn’t exist in 30k
They very much did:
Gitdakka wrote: vanguard miniatures, scourge scenics, onslaught miniatures, micro world games
I like how 3/4 of these are at least trying something new/do their own minis, and then you have scourge who are usual worthless parasites stealing GW designs, doing lazy copy low detail paste, and then charging massive premium for it making FW profit % look cheap. No thanks
2023/07/07 17:32:23
Subject: Re:Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
Gitdakka wrote: They would either find some existing players, or gather some likeminded friends and start collecting. Rules and army lists are available freely on netEA or epicUK.
Minis can be found in several ways, fpr example:
Ebay, vanguard miniatures, scourge scenics, onslaught miniatures, micro world games, or with stls and a 3dprinter
Yup. Kinda like what you do with any game not GW, particularly historicals.
2023/07/07 17:36:56
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
SgtEeveell wrote: Don't the Titans date clear back to the Dark Ages of Technology? The tech certainly does, even if some of the actual units aren't quite that old.
The Age of Strife is when Mars started producing Titans. They likely used older technology possibly from the Dark Ages to do so, but that was when the Collegia Titanica officially started.
2023/07/07 17:54:15
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
It will be nice to have more people willing to play the scale, though, even if only with Imperial factions. Once they have the minis, it should be relatively easy to convince them to play the other versions.
How do new players get into epic? How can I buy new minis for it?
SgtEeveell wrote: Don't the Titans date clear back to the Dark Ages of Technology? The tech certainly does, even if some of the actual units aren't quite that old.
The Age of Strife is when Mars started producing Titans. They likely used older technology possibly from the Dark Ages to do so, but that was when the Collegia Titanica officially started.
There's this one horrible Grey Knight book where they meet the STC ur-father of all titans, much more powerful than an Imperator, who is also a sentient AI and possessed by Daemons, that promptly never gets mentioned again because it's an incredibly dumb concept that goes against established background
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2023/07/07 18:28:12
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
There's this one horrible Grey Knight book where they meet the STC ur-father of all titans, much more powerful than an Imperator, who is also a sentient AI and possessed by Daemons, that promptly never gets mentioned again because it's an incredibly dumb concept that goes against established background
I vaguely recall (was more than a decade ago) reading that Grey Knights omnibus, and while it definitely has some questionable lore choices and is not within the upper tier of Black Library by any means, it was actually partially responsible for getting me back into consuming 40k lore via novels after a long hiatus funnily enough!
2023/07/07 23:44:45
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
Anyone who thinks GW actually cares about non marine armies is dragging out the inevitable.
HH is showing them that they can in fact get away with just marine on marine games. So why would they care about putting any more effort into non marine armies.
There's this one horrible Grey Knight book where they meet the STC ur-father of all titans, much more powerful than an Imperator, who is also a sentient AI and possessed by Daemons, that promptly never gets mentioned again because it's an incredibly dumb concept that goes against established background
I vaguely recall (was more than a decade ago) reading that Grey Knights omnibus, and while it definitely has some questionable lore choices and is not within the upper tier of Black Library by any means, it was actually partially responsible for getting me back into consuming 40k lore via novels after a long hiatus funnily enough!
Oh, i know that feeling, sometimes you just need some over-the-top, pro-wrestling style absurd bolter porn, and most of BL hits that itch. It was the Deathwatch novels for me
2023/07/08 10:55:24
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
Anyone who thinks GW actually cares about non marine armies is dragging out the inevitable.
HH is showing them that they can in fact get away with just marine on marine games. So why would they care about putting any more effort into non marine armies.
By marine on marine you mean Imperium on Imperium? because there already are Solar Auxilia + Knights + Titans + problably Mechanicus in the future.
2023/07/08 11:03:38
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
Anyone who thinks GW actually cares about non marine armies is dragging out the inevitable.
HH is showing them that they can in fact get away with just marine on marine games. So why would they care about putting any more effort into non marine armies.
By marine on marine you mean Imperium on Imperium? because there already are Solar Auxilia + Knights + Titans + problably Mechanicus in the future.
The core of the game is still built around Marine VS Marine. But yes Marine and Imperial often go hand in hand. Even if they have very different designs its still the "humanity" factions. So its still locking out all Xenos and even warped Chaos monsters/beasts. Although considering HH has a few of those here and there in FW models; there's a hope that the new Epic will at least get demons
Am I happy that a Epic scale game has been released?
- Yes
Did I think it would be set in the Horus Heresy?
- Yes, especially with all the rumours etc.
Are you disappointed it wasn't set in 40k.
- Yes
Are you angry/upset that it is set in the Horus Heresy?
- No
Any further comments?
-I am happy that Epic was released. I don't mind that is set in the Horus Heresy, but I would have preferred that it was set in 40k. I fear that it won't change to the 40k era, and that could hurt its long term lifespan.
2023/07/09 07:14:44
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
SU-152 wrote: By marine on marine you mean Imperium on Imperium? because there already are Solar Auxilia + Knights + Titans + problably Mechanicus in the future.
Don’t forget that Legions Imperialis already has Custodes too, by way of the Ares Gunship from AI, for which the rules are in the core book at launch.
2023/07/09 14:54:14
Subject: Anyone else disappointed by the launch of legions imperialis?
SgtEeveell wrote: Don't the Titans date clear back to the Dark Ages of Technology? The tech certainly does, even if some of the actual units aren't quite that old.
The Age of Strife is when Mars started producing Titans. They likely used older technology possibly from the Dark Ages to do so, but that was when the Collegia Titanica officially started.
There's this one horrible Grey Knight book where they meet the STC ur-father of all titans, much more powerful than an Imperator, who is also a sentient AI and possessed by Daemons, that promptly never gets mentioned again because it's an incredibly dumb concept that goes against established background
Dark Adeptus by Ben Counter. I greatly enjoyed the book actually. It never gets mentioned again because it's a big galaxy, and like most black library novels the events discussed don't matter and have no significance to the wider setting.
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