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so apparently the 40k app is completely different than the AoS app and they are locking EVERYTHING except points behind the paywall.
why wouldnt the leave the data slates free and only make you pay for the detachment rules etc?

i dont know about you guys but endlessly looking over other armies units has lead to so many purchases of mine that i cringe.

do they not realize this... wth?

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
so apparently the 40k app is completely different than the AoS app and they are locking EVERYTHING except points behind the paywall.
why wouldnt the leave the data slates free and only make you pay for the detachment rules etc?

i dont know about you guys but endlessly looking over other armies units has lead to so many purchases of mine that i cringe.

do they not realize this... wth?

It's so you still buy the paper codex for the code.
Or just uninstall and use a different app, or do the math manually - people keep telling me it's super easy thanks to GW enforcing PL

I thought at one point they said that the datasheets would be free, but detachments, points, and list builder would be locked behind subscription/buying codexes.

Since datasheets are apparently not going to be free, I really don't see a way I continue playing 40k in 10th edition.

We'll see once the Nid Dex drops. They just enforced (sorta) single list on the free version which is annoying, but not unworkable.

 LunarSol wrote:
We'll see once the Nid Dex drops. They just enforced (sorta) single list on the free version which is annoying, but not unworkable.

Unless you buy the Codex, the Tyranid data cards are now Locked in the app. They had a pretty great thing going and have already started to ruin it.

Do people really need a list creator program with 10th? the real pain in the ass for me with list creation has ALWAYS been the little bits and blobs you can buy as add ons, now that all units etc are the same, doing lists with pen and paper doesn't seem that hard

Are people really surprised? It was obvious they'd do this, although it's hilarious that AOS once again "got it right" by having the base parts free and just the special rules being locked.

I vaguely recall the 9th edition app let you view the base stats too, but some weapons and special rules were locked. In this case, though, EVERYTHING is locked. You can't even view the unit's stats without buying the codex and unlocking it

once again GW uses politician-speak to vaguely hint that the index would stay around and be added to, only to say it in such a way that when they renege on it, they can point and say well we didn't REALLY say that

It's entirely about the datasheet access for me. List builder is a convenient add-on for the sub I already get value out of. Not having datasheet access without buying a codex makes the app have nothing I need in it.

 Rihgu wrote:
It's entirely about the datasheet access for me. List builder is a convenient add-on for the sub I already get value out of. Not having datasheet access without buying a codex makes the app have nothing I need in it.

Exactly. Even the basic stats would be fine, but having NOTHING without buying the codex is ridiculous.

Agree with rihgu and wayniac.

It’s almost like 40k and AoS are two entirely different companies.

Blocking the cards makes the app useless to me.
I never even tried the list building function.

Wayniac wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:
It's entirely about the datasheet access for me. List builder is a convenient add-on for the sub I already get value out of. Not having datasheet access without buying a codex makes the app have nothing I need in it.

Exactly. Even the basic stats would be fine, but having NOTHING without buying the codex is ridiculous.

It's almost like they intend to sell you something....

Sell me a service - $10-15 a month, all rules unlocked and up to date with a list-builder.

GW would be guaranteed to get $360-540 out of me over the next 36 months or so until 11e drops as a subscriber. They are unlikely to convince me to buy the ~7-11 codexes they would need to sell me over that same time period to get that much money out of me for rules otherwise. In actuality, they would need to sell me quite a few more codexes than that to offset the publishing and logistics costs associated with producing those books as a physical product and reach profit parity with a digital subscription model.

With the recent trend of them more or less invalidating the contents of a codex with day 0 balance updates, I'm basically wholly unwilling to ever buy another codex from GW ever again. I'm not interested in spending that much for something that is to be considered disposable.

Wayniac wrote:
Are people really surprised? It was obvious they'd do this, although it's hilarious that AOS once again "got it right" by having the base parts free and just the special rules being locked.

Suprised that some of the rules were locked? no, not in the slightest. I personally expected all the new detachments and any new datasheets or datasheet options to be paywalled. But I WAS surprised that they've now locked all the stats for the tyrranids behind a codex paywall....i mean it wasn't even like that in 9th. what on earth has made them think that taking a step backwards was a sensible idea?

ccs wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:
It's entirely about the datasheet access for me. List builder is a convenient add-on for the sub I already get value out of. Not having datasheet access without buying a codex makes the app have nothing I need in it.

Exactly. Even the basic stats would be fine, but having NOTHING without buying the codex is ridiculous.

It's almost like they intend to sell you something....

If they had the datasheets free, they'd sell me the codexes for the armies I want to play. Without access to my opponent's datasheets, I don't see myself playin this game, so they won't sell me ANY codexes.

For people like me who play rarely the App was really helpful during the game to reread unit special rules and stuff. If they now lock that...well, it's not that we dislike 10th but OPR is right there...

 Rihgu wrote:
I thought at one point they said that the datasheets would be free, but detachments, points, and list builder would be locked behind subscription/buying codexes.

Since datasheets are apparently not going to be free, I really don't see a way I continue playing 40k in 10th edition.

Battlescribe, Waha, a friend photocopying the relevant pages of the rules...

Toofast wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:
I thought at one point they said that the datasheets would be free, but detachments, points, and list builder would be locked behind subscription/buying codexes.

Since datasheets are apparently not going to be free, I really don't see a way I continue playing 40k in 10th edition.

Battlescribe, Waha, a friend photocopying the relevant pages of the rules...

Playing a better game...

Waha is a frequent resource of mine when I play over Tabletop Simulator. It's not very convenient to use at an actual table, with my phone. The apps are. I'll stick to AoS, which has an app that fulfills my needs (and will continue to use Waha for rules references when I'm at my computer theorycrafting/listbuilding or playing TTS)

aren't the datasheets free online?

BrianDavion wrote:
aren't the datasheets free online?

not once the codex releases

 Rihgu wrote:
I thought at one point they said that the datasheets would be free, but detachments, points, and list builder would be locked behind subscription/buying codexes.

Since datasheets are apparently not going to be free, I really don't see a way I continue playing 40k in 10th edition.

They said points would be free, as would the indexes.

BrianDavion wrote:
aren't the datasheets free online?

Well, a quick check on WarCom shows the Tyranids Index is still there for download, but the version available there is dated 8th June 2023. I don’t have the Tyranid codex to check, but I guess any datasheet changes after that date have not been incorporated.

So, you could d/l the free indexes and play 10th Ed Indexhammer with the (out of date) Indexes, using the Balance dataslate changes to the core rules and the updated points from the latest munitorum field manual.

If that interested you, and you found an opponent who wanted to do so…

Which may not be of interest. And of course, you won’t have access to any of the new codex formations.

Edit:
Or any of the unit entries for the new Tyranid models which aren’t in the Index. So that’s no good.

You could also just buy the new card pack. It's cheaper then the Codex....

Of course eventually Wah or BS will update.

Dont think the card packs include the enhancements or detachment rules though, no?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dont think the card packs include the enhancements or detachment rules though, no?

Correct.

Wait, wait, wait, GW isn't giving players free rules and is going back to "pay us $50 for every hardback Codex, that's the only way you can get official access to any rules"?

..."It's in my nature," said the scorpion...

on the bright side between BS and Wah the datasheets should be out there, and there's a lot less to memorize outside of that then previous editions. one or two detachments and a handfull of relics.

vs... how many strats?

Whatever, it's not like the codexes wont be leaked online soon after release. I aint buying a single dex for 10th, they legended my main army, and in doing so, reminded me of the fact that investing into their printed material is not worth it in the long run.

 tauist wrote:
Whatever, it's not like the codexes wont be leaked online soon after release. I aint buying a single dex for 10th, they legended my main army, and in doing so, reminded me of the fact that investing into their printed material is not worth it in the long run.

what was your main army?

BrianDavion wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Whatever, it's not like the codexes wont be leaked online soon after release. I aint buying a single dex for 10th, they legended my main army, and in doing so, reminded me of the fact that investing into their printed material is not worth it in the long run.

what was your main army?

I'm betting it involved either a bunch of 1st Born Marines, HH stuff, or a heavy dose of both.

ccs wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Whatever, it's not like the codexes wont be leaked online soon after release. I aint buying a single dex for 10th, they legended my main army, and in doing so, reminded me of the fact that investing into their printed material is not worth it in the long run.

what was your main army?

I'm betting it involved either a bunch of 1st Born Marines, HH stuff, or a heavy dose of both.

Gallery also has corsairs in, so yeah that's the perfect storm of "not in our game please".