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Discount calculation with €.
£ and $ will follow when their respective documents are up
Full breakdown can be found in the first post of this topic
Kinda strange this year with widely different discounts

Space Marines:
Prices: £140 - 180€ - $?
Total: £197,5 - 257,5€ - $330
Discounts: 30% - 30% - ?%

Tyranids:
Prices: £140 - 180€ - $?
Total: £200 - 262,5€ - $330
Discounts: 30% - 31% - ?%

World Eaters:
Prices: £140 - 180€ - $?
Total: £215 - 285€ - $355
Discounts: 35% - 37% - ?%

Leagues of Votann:
Prices: £140 - 180€ - $?
Total: £237,5 - 312,5€ - $385
Discounts: 41% - 42% - ?%

Astra Militarum:
Prices: £140 - 180€ - $?
Total: £207,5 - 275€ - $345
Discounts: 32% - 35% - ?%

Orks:
Prices: £140 - 180€ - $?
Total: £220 - 287,5€ - $365
Discounts: 36% - 37% - ?%

Seraphon:
Prices: £135 - 175€ - $?
Total: £202.50 - 267,5€ - $325
Discounts: 33% - 35% - ?%

Ossiarch Bonereapers:
Prices: £135 - 175€ - $?
Total: £230 - 300€ - $380
Discounts: 41% -42% - ?%

Slaves to Darkness:
Prices: £135 - 175€ - $?
Total: £192,5 - 260€ - $310
Discounts: 30% - 33% - ?%

Soulblight Gravelords:
Prices: £135 - 175€ - $?
Total: £192,5 - 250€ - $320
Discounts: 30% - 30% - ?%

 xttz wrote:
Early today!

quoting for new page

 Matrindur wrote:

Seraphon:
Prices: £135 - 175€ - $?
Total: £202.50 - 267,5€ - $325
Discounts: 33% - 30% - ?%

Ossiarch Bonereapers:
Prices: £135 - 175€ - $?
Total: £230 - 300€ - $380
Discounts: 41% -42% - ?%

Slaves to Darkness:
Prices: £135 - 175€ - $?
Total: £192,5 - 260€ - $310
Discounts: 30% - 33% - ?%

Soulblight Gravelords:
Prices: £135 - 175€ - $?
Total: £192,5 - 250€ - $320
Discounts: 30% - 35% - ?%

It is about 35% discount on the Seraphon one and 30% for the Soulblight one.

 Darnok wrote:

It is about 35% discount on the Seraphon one and 30% for the Soulblight one.

You are right swapped those around it seems. Corrected now

I always get this warm, fuzzy feeling when I see a price increase. I'm glad GW doesn't disappoint.

180€ is a lot. I'll have to think about that some more. Probably see if there's stock and what discount independents offer.

 Matrindur wrote:

 Darnok wrote:

It is about 35% discount on the Seraphon one and 30% for the Soulblight one.

You are right swapped those around it seems. Corrected now

Yeah I thought so, no harm done.

Those will probably sell out fast from independents, I mean £100 is my sweet spot for an impulse Christmas buy, more than that not so much. From independents should be around 115 -120ish.
Nothing for me but thinking they could really do some Necromunda smaller sets for factions with a small discount, that would sell like hotcakes.

Put my name down for the seraphon one at the shop.

41% on the Votann one seems pretty great. Maybe to try and sell more stuff over the entire range

Oof those prices kind of hurt

Wee bit more than I was expecting. But, still pretty significant savings overall, especially if you can source one at a further discount.

I think I’m still in for a Tyranid one, as they’re all units I wouldn’t mind adding to my nascent Hive Fleet, and don’t have any current examples in my collection.

Of course, if one already has the centrepiece models in each, your value is going to be somewhat reduced unless you can sell what you don’t want on.

Discount about same as last year so price to be expected. It was always going to po up anyway as solo kit prices have gone up.

35% is pretty much the norm yea. I do feel a little bit like the contents are looking sparser from year to year on average, as price of base kits goes up, like we're at 50€ for 3 monstrous infantry or 40€ for 10 basic chaff, a box with 250€ content starts looking small.

So taking 140 GBP and converting it to US dollars gives me about $172, but I assume it'll be more like $200 for the 40k boxes. That's honestly better than I was expecting, which makes me feel a little better about reserving myself a copy of the Votann one from my FLGS

 ZergSmasher wrote:
So taking 140 GBP and converting it to US dollars gives me about $172, but I assume it'll be more like $200 for the 40k boxes. That's honestly better than I was expecting, which makes me feel a little better about reserving myself a copy of the Votann one from my FLGS

Based on the £ - € discounts its going to be $220-$230

 ZergSmasher wrote:
So taking 140 GBP and converting it to US dollars gives me about $172, but I assume it'll be more like $200 for the 40k boxes. That's honestly better than I was expecting, which makes me feel a little better about reserving myself a copy of the Votann one from my FLGS

According to my LGS, the US price is gonna be 230$, they got the numbers monday.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
So taking 140 GBP and converting it to US dollars gives me about $172, but I assume it'll be more like $200 for the 40k boxes. That's honestly better than I was expecting, which makes me feel a little better about reserving myself a copy of the Votann one from my FLGS

GW's imaginary conversion rate gets more predatory every year.

US pricing 40K $230, AoS $220
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Its not a conversion rate. I don't know why we need to have this out every time, but GW is folding in logistics costs to this. It costs a non-zero sum of money for GW to load pallets of boxes into a container, which then gets trucked to a port and loaded on a ship, transited across an ocean, unloaded and tracked to a warehouse, unpacked, loaded onto more trucks and then sent out to retailers, etc. GW isn't going to eat that cost, it gets passed along to the customer. GW does not have a unified global pricing scheme like other companies do where the pricing is basically just a straight conversion of a common base price. They have regionalized their prices in order to maximize their margins.

chaos0xomega wrote:
GW does not have a unified global pricing scheme like other companies do where the pricing is basically just a straight conversion of a common base price.

Literally nobody has this? Everybody charges what they can, where they can. Even digital content is more expensive in Australia, what are the logistics of that, lol? Probably more to do with their wages being twice as high.

Yeah about the only way to get a straight currency conversion price is to buy grey imports; which are typically fully legal to buy, they just often come with no warranty cover in the new country (some places like Nikon don't even repair overseas stuff even if you are paying for it - you have to send it back to country of origin).

Meanwhile some digital goods have regional activations - eg DVD/Bluray from the USA won't run in EU machines - and even when you can set the EU machines to play them its often a hardcoded limit (eg on your PC the DVD/Bluray reader can only switch back and forth between regions a few times before locking you out)


Whilst everyone with a respective market complains about regional pricing, its basically the norm for a vast majority of products.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
GW does not have a unified global pricing scheme like other companies do where the pricing is basically just a straight conversion of a common base price.

Literally nobody has this? Everybody charges what they can, where they can. Even digital content is more expensive in Australia, what are the logistics of that, lol? Probably more to do with their wages being twice as high.

Thats not true at all, many companies (maybe even most) in the industry set their prices on a single currency and then just do straight exchange regardless of market, particularly with direct to consumer type businesses. Those that do have trade presence will often set their trade prices in international markets on a straight currency conversion factor, rounded up to the nearest increment or whatever, at the time of the products release, and they might not revisit or revise that pricing for years at a time even as the exchange rate fluctuates. Its really only the larger players in the tabletop industry like GW and Asmodee that have a strict pricing policy structure.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
GW does not have a unified global pricing scheme like other companies do where the pricing is basically just a straight conversion of a common base price.

Literally nobody has this? Everybody charges what they can, where they can. Even digital content is more expensive in Australia, what are the logistics of that, lol? Probably more to do with their wages being twice as high.

Thats not true at all, many companies (maybe even most) in the industry set their prices on a single currency and then just do straight exchange regardless of market, particularly with direct to consumer type businesses. Those that do have trade presence will often set their trade prices in international markets on a straight currency conversion factor, rounded up to the nearest increment or whatever, at the time of the products release, and they might not revisit or revise that pricing for years at a time even as the exchange rate fluctuates. Its really only the larger players in the tabletop industry like GW and Asmodee that have a strict pricing policy structure.

Maybe, but any company of anywhere near GW's size prices locally. The comparison with other toy soldier companies isn't really relevant.

Greenfield wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
GW does not have a unified global pricing scheme like other companies do where the pricing is basically just a straight conversion of a common base price.

Literally nobody has this? Everybody charges what they can, where they can. Even digital content is more expensive in Australia, what are the logistics of that, lol? Probably more to do with their wages being twice as high.

Thats not true at all, many companies (maybe even most) in the industry set their prices on a single currency and then just do straight exchange regardless of market, particularly with direct to consumer type businesses. Those that do have trade presence will often set their trade prices in international markets on a straight currency conversion factor, rounded up to the nearest increment or whatever, at the time of the products release, and they might not revisit or revise that pricing for years at a time even as the exchange rate fluctuates. Its really only the larger players in the tabletop industry like GW and Asmodee that have a strict pricing policy structure.

Maybe, but any company of anywhere near GW's size prices locally. The comparison with other toy soldier companies isn't really relevant.

Yeah its like comparing apple to oranges.

I concede that hobby companies that ship worldwide out of a single garage indeed don't have regional pricing.

ERJAK wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
So taking 140 GBP and converting it to US dollars gives me about $172, but I assume it'll be more like $200 for the 40k boxes. That's honestly better than I was expecting, which makes me feel a little better about reserving myself a copy of the Votann one from my FLGS

GW's imaginary conversion rate gets more predatory every year.

To be fair, the UK economy gets worse every year too...

Greenfield wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
GW does not have a unified global pricing scheme like other companies do where the pricing is basically just a straight conversion of a common base price.

Literally nobody has this? Everybody charges what they can, where they can. Even digital content is more expensive in Australia, what are the logistics of that, lol? Probably more to do with their wages being twice as high.

Thats not true at all, many companies (maybe even most) in the industry set their prices on a single currency and then just do straight exchange regardless of market, particularly with direct to consumer type businesses. Those that do have trade presence will often set their trade prices in international markets on a straight currency conversion factor, rounded up to the nearest increment or whatever, at the time of the products release, and they might not revisit or revise that pricing for years at a time even as the exchange rate fluctuates. Its really only the larger players in the tabletop industry like GW and Asmodee that have a strict pricing policy structure.

Maybe, but any company of anywhere near GW's size prices locally. The comparison with other toy soldier companies isn't really relevant.

In the context of this discussion, and my original statement (which very specifically referenced the industry in question and was not a general statement about how global trade works), its 100% relevant. Don't try shifting the goalpost in this discussion.

In this case, however, saying "any company of anywhere near GW's size" is not relevant, because theres only two companies in the industry in question of that size - GW and Asmodee. Everyone else is playing at a different level and scale (and no, most of them aren't "shipping worldwide out of a single garage" - companies like privateer press, corvus belli, or wyrd aren't that small. I haven't kept up with these companies as of late, but for a long time Corvus Bellis US pricing strategy was literally "Price in Euros x conversion rate factor at time of release", which resulted in bizarro-world MSRP/RRP for their products, like a blister costing $11.72 instead of $11.50 or $12. For a while Wyrds strategy in the UK market was similar for Malifaux as well, where a kit that cost $15 American would be priced at like 14.20 GBP

chaos0xomega wrote:
In the context of this discussion, and my original statement (which very specifically referenced the industry in question and was not a general statement about how global trade works), its 100% relevant. Don't try shifting the goalpost in this discussion.

Wasn't you qualifying "in this industry" shifting the goal posts? Anyway WotC also does it with the same zeal as GW, including making it "illegal" for retailers to ship product across borders.

WotC is Hasbro, which is a much bigger company than Asmodee or GW and also in a kind of different industry, which is why I didn't mention it but yes you're right.

And no, I assume when we're talking about GW in relation to other companies that we are talking about those within the industry and not something like Apple or Ford which are not in the same industry and so much larger and global than GW is so as to not really be comparable in any way relevant to the discussion. The inclusion of "in the industry" was a clarifying statement since it seemed there was some unclarity in what was being discussed.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its not a conversion rate. I don't know why we need to have this out every time, but GW is folding in logistics costs to this. It costs a non-zero sum of money for GW to load pallets of boxes into a container, which then gets trucked to a port and loaded on a ship, transited across an ocean, unloaded and tracked to a warehouse, unpacked, loaded onto more trucks and then sent out to retailers, etc. GW isn't going to eat that cost, it gets passed along to the customer. GW does not have a unified global pricing scheme like other companies do where the pricing is basically just a straight conversion of a common base price. They have regionalized their prices in order to maximize their margins.

plus typically double taxation since goods are manufactured/country-of-origin in the UK.

Roughly equivalent reasons why the UK pays significantly more for technology (compare US iphone cost vs UK iphone cost; the UK pays 20% more for the same technology)