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Splitting the Iron Warriours of of the CSM dex and adding yet another codex to the lineup seems like an extremely bad idea.

 Morskul wrote:
Splitting the Iron Warriours of of the CSM dex and adding yet another codex to the lineup seems like an extremely bad idea.

So CSM will be Night Lords, Black
Legion, Alpha Legion, Cypher, Word Bearers and generic Renegades?

If GW want to continue making legion specific kits like Night Lords got, I could see the non-god specific legions get the codex supplement treatment. It allows GW to get away with only making a small number of kits per legion (not that World Eaters and Emprah's Kiddies drowned in kits or anything) and sell everyone an extra book. Sounds like the logical next step now that the god specific legions are all out of the vanilla codex.

WH+ models arrived today. Sadly, the Eldar is all squished.

Thanks, UPS.

Have let GW know and await their response within the advised timescale.

 Geifer wrote:
If GW want to continue making legion specific kits like Night Lords got, I could see the non-god specific legions get the codex supplement treatment. It allows GW to get away with only making a small number of kits per legion (not that World Eaters and Emprah's Kiddies drowned in kits or anything) and sell everyone an extra book. Sounds like the logical next step now that the god specific legions are all out of the vanilla codex.

But they wouldn't sell everyone an extra book? They'd only sell "Iron Warriors players" an extra book.

Maybe they think there would be the demand if they stimulated it - but it seems kind of niche.

Depends if they're back to doing supplements for Chaos, rather than being stand alone codices.

Tyel wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
If GW want to continue making legion specific kits like Night Lords got, I could see the non-god specific legions get the codex supplement treatment. It allows GW to get away with only making a small number of kits per legion (not that World Eaters and Emprah's Kiddies drowned in kits or anything) and sell everyone an extra book. Sounds like the logical next step now that the god specific legions are all out of the vanilla codex.

But they wouldn't sell everyone an extra book? They'd only sell "Iron Warriors players" an extra book.

Maybe they think there would be the demand if they stimulated it - but it seems kind of niche.

They would sell an Iron Warriors book to Iron Warriors, yes, but the assumption is there will also be an Alpha Legion supplement for Alpha Legion players, and so forth. If there's one thing we know it's that GW is not going to hesitate making extra books. They love selling extra books.

The limiting factor so far has been how willing they are to make a kit or two for each legion. In the past that didn't happen outside the god specific legions unless you go way back to to the time of metal characters and 3rd ed upgrade sprues. But since the Night Lords Kill Team upgrade it doesn't look like that's necessarily the case any longer.

The feasibility of an Iron Warriors supplement kinda depends on an Iron Hands supplement, doesn't it? Unless they're going to have enough unique units (think Dark Angels or Blood Angels for scale) a whole separate book doesn't make sense.

 BorderCountess wrote:
The feasibility of an Iron Warriors supplement kinda depends on an Iron Hands supplement, doesn't it? Unless they're going to have enough unique units (think Dark Angels or Blood Angels for scale) a whole separate book doesn't make sense.

Ahhh bless you all. We've seen GW is willing to slice and dice chaos, give a token gesture of a release and say "wasn't it great!" Repeatedly at this point.

The best outcome is that it's a dark mech/iron warriors blend codex with vashtorr and some fun stuff in.

Worst outcome they take all the "iron warriors" units out of chaos space marines, hard lock units to both and release a couple of new kits nobody wanted.

 Tastyfish wrote:
Depends if they're back to doing supplements for Chaos, rather than being stand alone codices.

Could be a mix. Stand alone for the God-aligned Legions since they're the most different, then supplements for Iron Warriors, Word Bearers and Alpha Legion (and maybe Red Corsairs?).

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
WH+ models arrived today. Sadly, the Eldar is all squished.

Thanks, UPS.

Have let GW know and await their response within the advised timescale.

Why am I quoting myself, perhaps the most cretinous of online activity?

Well, GW got back to me and a replacement is on its way.

Figured given the super exclusive nature of the WH+ models, it was worth sharing GW’s replacement policy remains the same. Specifically, that I don’t have to return to Squished one.

How squished was it?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

How squished was it?

So since you're now allowed to open it, what condition is the sprue in?

That…is a good question! Allow me to visit my library to check.

*30 seconds later*

Seems absolutely fine. Feel a bit naughty now. But then, I am an in-box collector of rare models.

sprues are really resistant I mean they pierce through anything on my backpack

 Asmodai wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:
Depends if they're back to doing supplements for Chaos, rather than being stand alone codices.

Could be a mix. Stand alone for the God-aligned Legions since they're the most different, then supplements for Iron Warriors, Word Bearers and Alpha Legion (and maybe Red Corsairs?).

Thinking about it more, with Perturabo, Vashtorr and the Dark Mech combined might be enough just justify a 5th book if the latter two are going to struggle for a full codex release.

It could be a good place to add Dark Mech as a soft launch, with tech thrall things filling in the "non-astartes infantry" role and possibly the venomcrawler being expanded to a range of 40kish dark mech walkers from LI

Tyel wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
If GW want to continue making legion specific kits like Night Lords got, I could see the non-god specific legions get the codex supplement treatment. It allows GW to get away with only making a small number of kits per legion (not that World Eaters and Emprah's Kiddies drowned in kits or anything) and sell everyone an extra book. Sounds like the logical next step now that the god specific legions are all out of the vanilla codex.

But they wouldn't sell everyone an extra book? They'd only sell "Iron Warriors players" an extra book.

Maybe they think there would be the demand if they stimulated it - but it seems kind of niche.

Well, they already don't sell every loyalist Marine player a DA/BA/SW/Templar book. So why would they be deterred by limited sales amongst CSM players?

You know what the Dark Mechanicum really needs?

Like…really needs? REALLY needs?

A cooler name.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A cooler name.

Monkey paw curls...

Nonsensical, so in keeping.

Also, still a better name.

Doesn’t mean it’s the best name of course.


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I mean, Spack Handy Choptubes is arguably more nonsensical, and an obscure pop culture reference.

Hereteks on Traks

D-Mech and The Big V

Team Scapcode

d42k m3ch4n1cum

I mean, the possibilities are endless...

Mechanicus Obscurius

 LunarSol wrote:
Mechanicus Obscurius

Exactly this.

I always thought Heretek was a clever name.

Malcanicum Heretechae

Or simply
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Well they aren't calling the chaos marines codex heretic astartes, so why wouldn't they just call them chaos mechancius?

Because they're chaos in the same way the helsmiths of hashut are; unknowingly and fully convinced they're the ones in charge.
"worship the dark gods? Don't be ridiculous; we just use these precisely aligned memetic foci to draw the energies of the warp into our mechanisms in order to provide unparalleled power-to-weight ratios as well as intuitive control."

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Because they're chaos in the same way the helsmiths of hashut are; unknowingly and fully convinced they're the ones in charge.
"worship the dark gods? Don't be ridiculous; we just use these precisely aligned memetic foci to draw the energies of the warp into our mechanisms in order to provide unparalleled power-to-weight ratios as well as intuitive control."

that attitude applies to half the chaos marine codex factions.

 Hellebore wrote:
Well they aren't calling the chaos marines codex heretic astartes, so why wouldn't they just call them chaos mechancius?

Pretty sure "Iron Warriors" would be the terrible renaming choice. Heretek then being the keyword.
Can't have people getting confused with the Dark Mech in Heresy.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
It could be a good place to add Dark Mech as a soft launch, with tech thrall things filling in the "non-astartes infantry" role and possibly the venomcrawler being expanded to a range of 40kish dark mech walkers from LI

We'll probably also get Space Crusade's Chaos Androids, as they were canonised at the end of Genefather.

ccs wrote:
Well, they already don't sell every loyalist Marine player a DA/BA/SW/Templar book. So why would they be deterred by limited sales amongst CSM players?

Well I feel GW have made it so 25% going on 50% (when they are good) of the playerbase plays or has a Marine army.
As a result you can sort of... split that up, and still get subfactions that have a playerbase comparable to regular factions.
I don't know if thats true for CSM - especially after you've carved off TS/DG/WE/EC etc.

GW want to sell new models - so maybe "Dark Mech with Iron Warriors" is a cool concept they can design and sell. The new playerbase doesn't have to reflect the old player base. Lots of people started Death Guard armies in say 8th that never expected to collect DG etc.

But if GW just released "here's codex Alpha Legions, it just the CSM codex with a new character, some units painted up Alpha Legion colours" - I feel you are looking a niche market. Smaller I'd argue than BA/DA etc.

 Hellebore wrote:
Well they aren't calling the chaos marines codex heretic astartes, so why wouldn't they just call them chaos mechancius?

(Chaos) Space Marine is the core of GW's business and has too much brand recognition to change. Even during GW's post-Chapterhouse frenzy where they changed all manner of titles, they didn't touch Chaos Marines. Heretarts didn't make it further than the subtitle. Same for loyalists.

Dark Mechanicus is effectively a new army that has had little exposure in the past decades and the most modest following at best. Much like Squats Leagues of Votann. If GW think they'll get more out of a novelty name like Vashtorr's Varied Vehicular Vorkshop & Vriends, and chances are they do, Dark Mechanicus doesn't stand a chance of making it on a codex cover.