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10th Edition may not have killed 40k but it does seem to have killed Dakka. I've never seen the site this dead.

These days, there's nothing for me to talk about.

When Xenos and Sisters get attention, I'll be here.

But right now it's all just 30k and marines.

We're at the start of the cycle.

Pray you get your Codex sooner rather than later.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We're at the start of the cycle.

Pray you get your Codex sooner rather than later.

That's what made me take a peek back in. I figured the Ad Mecha and Necron books would get people talking and it's still crickets. This far into 9th there was much more activity, even if it was just outrage about something being busted or a faction being terrible.

The forum goes through periods like this at times, hopefully it'll pick up again but with twitter etc I suspect that one day it sadly just won't.

It’s almost Christmas mate. Plenty of people have stuff to do around the holidays other than argue on dakka.

Perpetually waiting for them to fix aircraft.

 morganfreeman wrote:
It’s almost Christmas mate. Plenty of people have stuff to do around the holidays other than argue on dakka.

There are threads last updated on November 11th still on the front page of General Discussion. That's dead even for what Dakka has become these past years.

The last game I played was Sept. 17, 2019. Covid stopped me from playing, then life got in the way, then massive work overtime, then cancer, then divorce.

I'd love to comment more, but 10th kind-of deflated my hopes. There really isn't much to talk about at the moment.

It seems like there's nothing to say or speculate on. We've all seen that the codexs are the indexes, with a few more options. There's really nothing to get curious or excited about. I think a lot of folks are not playing and waiting to see if the game gives them a reason to play their favourite faction again.

I think it shows how people like to outrage but don't start a thread that says: So the new codex is actually balanced, right?

9th had an extreme codex creep beginning with the 3rd or 4th book I think (Admech?). So people had something to scream about every two weeks. 10th appears slower in its release schedule and GW seems to keep its promise so far that there aren't many changes between Codex and index.

Also legions imperialis seems to have taken a lot of dakka's attention .

So what's left to talk about? We could outrage how every new codex kills some more character models instead of replacing them (see Necrons) but we've seen that crap from GW at the start of 10th (and basically since 8th, really) So it's nothing new. Most players will just continue to use the legends Profile as well.

I think there is more to it than a lack of outrage. I get the impression that a lot of people have finally fallen off the edition release treadmill.

There has been a lot of interest in Oldhammer threads to the point the mods have noted and mooted adding a dedicated subforum. I don't think that is coincidence.

Dakka is mostly 40k driven, so things have quieted down.

10th went into a direction that made it totally uninteresting for me.

Things I dislike:
- Every unit in the game having a special rule.
- Upgrade costs included in unit profiles.
- Characters only being able to join a very specific set of units, based on their loadout.
- Characters having abilities that stop working if they don't have a unit anymore.
- Further introduction of restrictions in how you can customise your hero characters.
- Weapon profiles being highly inconsistent now between different units using the same kind of weapon.

Others may like it, but I don't. It does not feel like the game I grew up with anymore.

I'm still a fan of the setting and I do play almost every Sunday, but not 10th.

In the local club, ~15 people are actively playing our own custom ruleset and we usually have 1-3 tables every weekend. I'm happy to say that by word of mouth the homebrew was spread into two other gaming groups in completely different cities by now, which adds another ~5-6 people meeting and playing independently from us.

Since the aspects of (my) game I want to talk about are completely irrelevant for Dakka, I don't post much and only chime in if I see a discussion going into a more abstract way to talk about theoretical things.

GW legended my beloved Firstborn as soon as the SM codex dropped, making me downgrade to earlier editions of the game. With a new KT21 season kicking off early 2024 and Legion Imperialis now out, I couldn't give a toss about 10th edition. Lets see how much of a rework 11th edition will be in 3 years.

In short it's a place with a reputation for being glass half empty, it's now less than half empty and rather than endlessly complaining about stuff cyclically, people have moved on as a guess?

What was nice was that LI was better received on here and discussed than on B&C which was a bit of a whine pit by comparison.

 Canadian 5th wrote:
10th Edition may not have killed 40k but it does seem to have killed Dakka. I've never seen the site this dead.

I suspect that other forums, but mostly facebook and discord is where the users have shifted.

It's probably a few things.

Firstly social media is easier than ever.

Secondly, forums tend to be when you wanna get a "wider view" as FB groups tend to be specific i.e. faction or game.

Thirdly, forums are full of eliteist toxicity moreso than social media. So people get fed up of the constant negativity and leave.

Just go through general discussion and see all the posts about "10e is dead" "40k is rubbish" Every other post is something negative with the hobby so people who actually want to enjoy the hobby do the most sensible thing......leave and find others who actually enjoy the hobby.

 Canadian 5th wrote:
10th Edition may not have killed 40k but it does seem to have killed Dakka. I've never seen the site this dead.

I just don't think many people on this forum (i.e. 40k General Discussion - the tactics forum is a bit different) are playing the game.
To a degree you could argue it was always ever thus (especially in the second half of 9th).
Its why the threads (to my mind at least) are all on theoretical points rather than "10th as 10th."

I think this was clear from release. In times past the level of Eldar Domination would produced wall to wall salt. There would have been outraged threads, threads about what should be changed, a few people arguing its fine actually just learn to play etc etc. Instead there was basically nothing. Someone I think responded with "yeah Eldar are OP, its obvious, GW will nerf them, there's nothing to say". But that was true for a decade or so and didn't stop people venting on the internet.

I mean I think the Ad Mech book is poor and the latest points speak to GW's indifference towards the faction. But I'm not really sure about starting a thread on the topic - and I'm not sure anyone else really wants to discuss it.

Dudeface wrote:
In short it's a place with a reputation for being glass half empty, it's now less than half empty and rather than endlessly complaining about stuff cyclically, people have moved on as a guess?

Yeah I see plenty of 40k discussion. Just not in here.

 Canadian 5th wrote:
10th Edition may not have killed 40k but it does seem to have killed Dakka. I've never seen the site this dead.

It's not 10th that's make me post less. It's just a lot of folks being rather unpleasant to talk with about 40k, and I'd rather have discussions with people who actually seem to enjoy themselves, or at least let others enjoy the game without calling their tastes "invalid".

I'm mostly chilling in the "epic show it off " thread in the gw specialist games subforum. Also i peek inte the "news and rumours" to see the upcoming releases.

Here in the 40k general discussions it seems a bit stale. I tried posting replies to thread some times but very rarely get a reply. I think I got put on ignore by most people after a particular rant or two about primaris. Either that or I just write poorly.

The threads are not that varied anymore though so it's not easy to get engaged in 40k for me.

Also i gave 10th a recent spin with a tournament participation, but it did not really raise my hype. For me it's all about epic now baby!

 Canadian 5th wrote:
10th Edition may not have killed 40k but it does seem to have killed Dakka. I've never seen the site this dead.

That's been my observation as well, hence why I started the 'has 10th drained the soul of 40K'? thread. That generated quite a lot of good discussion, even from many I tend to often disagree. Never in the past have I gone half a day from looking in on Dakka's General Discussion and not seen any new posts.

Now it's frequent.

Personally, I'm just having trouble finding much worth starting a thread about.

We already have multiple long threads on the first page about 10th's shortcomings. I'm not super motivated to post in Proposed Rules because I haven't gotten enough games in to feel strongly about core rule changes. Most factions don't have their full rules yet, so it feels odd making a post about a specific faction before that faction is really out. I've considered making some threads proposing drukhari rule changes, but then I keep falling down the rabbit hole of wanting to overhaul the entire faction.

There isn't much need for threads discussing OP or UP factions. We all kind of know which eldar units/mechanics are annoying and that sisters struggle to kill tanks.

The Background forum has been somewhat active. I take that to mean that people are still interested in discussing the hobby/setting but just don't have as much to say about the game itself.

Personally, the game is in a weird spot where games play pretty smoothly on the table, but also I'm struggling to get super excited by either list building (lack of options) or by the game itself (plays fine but I don't feel like I'm telling a story; possibly because the number of objectives make me focus on it being a game rather than getting into the story behind why our toy soldiers are on the planet.)

tldr; I'm just having trouble finding a ton to talk about. I recently found a discord server where I can subject people to my short thoughts that don't warrant a thread, and I haven't come up with a lot of thread-worthy thoughts lately.

There is probably a lot of reasons, 40K is kinda bad and I don’t think any other company could coast along like GW does.

But I don’t think the discussion in other places are that rich ether.
Often just more heavy moderation, or very one sided. Just try and talk to women about women in any 40K sub and ohh Boy no!
But I actually don’t think ether of that is one of the issues.

I just think for the most part 40K is boring to talk about, its failures are well documented.
The company can easily brush away its game issues.
And I think even good discussion gets bogged down so easily.

My other thoughts are more general to the hobby. Than Dakka.




I also think that the loss of the grim dark style has really impacted the setting feel, it’s more like a pure power fantasy now for primarch. So the setting discussion is often so dry, and even interesting setting discussions can be pulled into silly power level discussions.
Chaos deserves better !

I love how people have commented first around how the negativity of views towards the hobby drive people who like the hobby away.

Then moments later people complaigning about the hobby are posting about how its the hobby's fault dakka is empty because the hobby is bad.

So this OP is your answer as to why Dakka is dieing.

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
I love how people have commented first around how the negativity of views towards the hobby drive people who like the hobby away.

Then moments later people complaigning about the hobby are posting about how its the hobby's fault dakka is empty because the hobby is bad.

So this OP is your answer as to why Dakka is dieing.

I don't know. While I do prefer when we're all being more polite and constructive, there is a certain appeal to passionate disagreements. If anything, I feel like we've all been a bit more well-behaved on the whole of late. The recent silence feels unrelated, but that's just me going off of "vibes."

Being a Harlequin player there isn't much to say beyond what's in the Eldar index, for which the codex probably won't arrive until 2025. We don't have Masques anymore and GW appears to be done with the model range.

 Wyldhunt wrote:


The Background forum has been somewhat active. I take that to mean that people are still interested in discussing the hobby/setting but just don't have as much to say about the game itself.

As someone who mainly inhabits the lore subforum over the last few years, I heartily second this. I honestly think the lore subforum is at least as active as it was 2 or 3 years ago, if not more over the last few months. I think this definitely supports the idea that 40k as a setting is still popular on Dakka. It really feels like it is 40k as a game that has died down in activity here.


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 SeanDavid1991 wrote:

Firstly social media is easier than ever.

This... is not my experience of social media, which I find to be increasingly exhausting and dysfunctional.

 Canadian 5th wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We're at the start of the cycle.

Pray you get your Codex sooner rather than later.

That's what made me take a peek back in. I figured the Ad Mecha and Necron books would get people talking and it's still crickets. This far into 9th there was much more activity, even if it was just outrage about something being busted or a faction being terrible.

To be fair, those books aren't even out yet. It was a two week preorder (though unless you actually ordered them, that little fact is buried in the preview of the preorder..

Dakka is the opposite of my FLGS reality. My store has never been more popular. I never used to have trouble finding a table but now every night is full of old and new players playing 10th or KT. With the new codices dropping soon, it's the beginning of a bright 2024 here!