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Tallonian4th wrote:
An interesting change in direction for them this one. My one worry with it is that Hachette make most of their money from the subs and this mag seems very anti-subscription. If you are a new player the idea of starting 9 armies all at once (even over the 1.5ish years of the collection) seems quite overwhelming. Equally for those of us already in the hobby very few will have enough armies that adding these cheap units will be useful for the whole collection.

However for both groups getting cheap individual armies will be appealing. For new players they can pick what they like and build up one or two cheap enhanced CP boxes. For old players just pick up the issues that appeal.

Also thanks to BrookM for helping everyone avoid having to go to Fauxhammer which is one of the poorest sites of any hobby I know.

I think the key is that this will attract those on the fence because they can try every army! I can see that being a big attraction for a very cheap monthly cost. Esp if a small group start up, they can just mess around with the combat patrol boxed sets and find armies or an army they like. The Magazine does its magic of drawing them in and then they go spending as normal on the rest of the army

Tallonian4th wrote:
Also thanks to BrookM for helping everyone avoid having to go to Fauxhammer which is one of the poorest sites of any hobby I know.

Don't thank me, I just rebooted it, instead thank SKR.HH and KidCthulhu who went in there to get us the relevant info, free of filler and spam.

Yeah it works as basically a full set of combat patrols for that mode of play. I'd see it more as that than the starting bits of 9 armies.

 Overread wrote:

Tallonian4th wrote:
An interesting change in direction for them this one. My one worry with it is that Hachette make most of their money from the subs and this mag seems very anti-subscription. If you are a new player the idea of starting 9 armies all at once (even over the 1.5ish years of the collection) seems quite overwhelming. Equally for those of us already in the hobby very few will have enough armies that adding these cheap units will be useful for the whole collection.

However for both groups getting cheap individual armies will be appealing. For new players they can pick what they like and build up one or two cheap enhanced CP boxes. For old players just pick up the issues that appeal.

Also thanks to BrookM for helping everyone avoid having to go to Fauxhammer which is one of the poorest sites of any hobby I know.

I think the key is that this will attract those on the fence because they can try every army! I can see that being a big attraction for a very cheap monthly cost. Esp if a small group start up, they can just mess around with the combat patrol boxed sets and find armies or an army they like. The Magazine does its magic of drawing them in and then they go spending as normal on the rest of the army

Eg: Me. I don't see myself starting a Mechanicus army, not at full GW prices, but Imperium is cheap enough that I picked up two units of Skitari because the models look cooler at half price. If Hachette brings this set to Japan next year (we are halfway Imperium currently) I'll be very interested in picking up some minis here, and there that otherwise I will never buy.

M.

Interesting tidbit:



Assuming it means they're going to intersperse models from multiple boxes between complete forces.

20 does seem like a lot if they're not putting out multiple forces at the same time.
I'm not sure that any of the combat patrols even have anywhere near 20 sprues, do they?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
20 does seem like a lot if they're not putting out multiple forces at the same time.
I'm not sure that any of the combat patrols even have anywhere near 20 sprues, do they?

Probably need to allow for a few issues for paints, tools etc.

Eldar is 6 bikes (6 sprues), farseer (1), guardians (2?), wraithlord (2) and autarch (1).

Previous ones 40k each month had 2 model release, paint/hobby and terrain. So 20 issues is 5 months with 10 mini releases, 5 paint and 5 terrain which is absent from.this one so not sure how they stretch it out.

This must be a weekly thing, otherwise 20 issues per force and 9 forces would be 15 years worth of delivery

Crispy78 wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
20 does seem like a lot if they're not putting out multiple forces at the same time.
I'm not sure that any of the combat patrols even have anywhere near 20 sprues, do they?

Probably need to allow for a few issues for paints, tools etc.

Based off the premium content, eldar would be 2 issues for bikes, 1-2 for wraith lord I assume, 1 for guardians, 2 for the characters. I'll assume it's chaos marines they're against, 2 character issues, 1 for the marines, 1 for the havocs? 1-2 for the helbrute. That's 13? Assume 1 paint issue per 4, that gets you to 17 issues. the 9th combat patrol has to fit in somewhere so scatter in 10 zerkers and another paint issue, maybe a brush issue and you're at 20.


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Nultaar wrote:
Eldar is 6 bikes (6 sprues), farseer (1), guardians (2?), wraithlord (2) and autarch (1).

Previous ones 40k each month had 2 model release, paint/hobby and terrain. So 20 issues is 5 months with 10 mini releases, 5 paint and 5 terrain which is absent from.this one so not sure how they stretch it out.

In the sigmar one they tend to give full units of multiple small sprues, so likely a unit of bikes per issue.

 Flinty wrote:
This must be a weekly thing, otherwise 20 issues per force and 9 forces would be 15 years worth of delivery

They are released 1 a week, but most newsagents (here at least) only carry the first 4 or 5 issues before they stop as they want you to subscribe through them. I'm not sure if they use the same method in the UK/US.
However if you subscribe through hachette, you get 1 delivery of 4 issues a month. Normally takes about a year and a half to work all the way through the run.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
20 does seem like a lot if they're not putting out multiple forces at the same time.
I'm not sure that any of the combat patrols even have anywhere near 20 sprues, do they?

I assume that they mean both sides tbh.

Having finished off the Marines and Nids by issue 20 in time for the two premium kits would make a lot sense.

You'd be so much better off just putting away the tenner each week and buying the models you want instead.

Well fortunately you can buy issues individually. All subscribing really goes is get you the free gifts and guarantee the issues.

Billicus wrote:
You'd be so much better off just putting away the tenner each week and buying the models you want instead.

This collection is perhaps more for those who don't know the models they want to buy; or who want to sample a bit of everything before buying; or who want them all; or don't mind they just want to build and paint some stuff with some structure to it.


It's very much not a collection for someone serious about starting a specific army who knows what they want. I'd argue the previous iterations were more of that and I suspect whlist they sold REALLY well they likely didn't have the effect GW wanted in drawing in new people; and instead just reinforced established customers.

So this new season of magazines seems much more pitched at a different group of people who are on the fence and just need encouraging in.

Billicus wrote:
You'd be so much better off just putting away the tenner each week and buying the models you want instead.

I honestly think outside of those already well into the game, "all the combat patrols" is a pretty common thing to be interested in. Gives you a bunch of different projects to paint and a load of different match-ups between two combat patrols, which in theory are meant to be their own, balanced game mode (I admit, not sure how this worked out?)

It's sort of 40K in a board game style. Here's nine small armies, play them against each other. Fauxhammer did the maths and it's a 30% saving on buying each combat patrol + extra mini separately. So effectively a 10% saving if you use a discounter. Though there's also the paints and brushes and stuff. I do think given the number of different colour schemes, we'll need more paints this time around. Which either means more paint-only issues (good for those going the individual issue route), more paints in every paint issue, or paints included in with some of the mini issues.

Hopefully Forbidden Planet will get in a stock of issues for individual sale again. I don't want whole combat patrols but there might be a few individuals I'd be keen on.

Dudeface wrote:

In the sigmar one they tend to give full units of multiple small sprues, so likely a unit of bikes per issue.

Tomb Blades and Wraiths were one per issue. The bikes from Conquest were split 2/1.

Dude face, do you have the link to that webpage?

Sometimes it's worth subscribing to the trial run as, previously, there have been small additional benefits to those who committed early once the main release starts.


Edit.

Found one.

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/warhammer-40000-combat-patrol/

I've subscribed and should receive an email in three days. As per Conquest and Imperium , Hachette will tell me it's a trial but I should get advance notice of the trial run. If I remember correctly, they stopped accepting new subscribers for Imperium quite quickly.

https://www.warhammercombatpatrol.com/

Better for looking at the full collection


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90 issues.
So 10 per faction.
With paints mixed in.

As Mech might be the last 10.
The others will come in the order of their premium kits.
So Marines and Nids all in 1-20, and Eldar & Chaos 21-40.
Then Orks and Votann, Then GSC And Guard.
At a guess anyway..

Danny76 wrote:
https://www.warhammercombatpatrol.com/

Better for looking at the full collection


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90 issues.
So 10 per faction.
With paints mixed in.

As Mech might be the last 10.
The others will come in the order of their premium kits.
So Marines and Nids all in 1-20, and Eldar & Chaos 21-40.
Then Orks and Votann, Then GSC And Guard.
At a guess anyway..

You missed world eaters.

They’re the Chaos aren’t they. You don’t get two Chaos bits do you?


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Maybe one of them is wherever I said Ad Mech. I thought that one of the combat patrols was ad Mech, not sure why. Don’t see pictures of them on the full collection set, so they might do all the Chaos together during 21-50..


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Genestealer Cults I’m wondering what the breakdown would be to fit into 10 issues. Maybe no or only 1 paint issue?

It would have to be Five issues for this:
1x Magus
5x Aberrants
5x Acolyte Hybrids
10x Neophyte Hybrids
10x Neophyte Hybrids

Then four of the other five issues for:
1x Goliath Rockgrinder (2 sprues)
1x Atalan Jackals (2 sprues)

So they are all pretty good value.
£20 for a Rockgrinder and £20 for bikes/buggy.
I sense both my Necromunda and GSC expanding..

Danny76 wrote:
They’re the Chaos aren’t they. You don’t get two Chaos bits do you?


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Maybe one of them is wherever I said Ad Mech. I thought that one of the combat patrols was ad Mech, not sure why. Don’t see pictures of them on the full collection set, so they might do all the Chaos together during 21-50..


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Genestealer Cults I’m wondering what the breakdown would be to fit into 10 issues. Maybe no or only 1 paint issue?

It would have to be Five issues for this:
1x Magus
5x Aberrants
5x Acolyte Hybrids
10x Neophyte Hybrids
10x Neophyte Hybrids

Then four of the other five issues for:
1x Goliath Rockgrinder (2 sprues)
1x Atalan Jackals (2 sprues)

So they are all pretty good value.
£20 for a Rockgrinder and £20 for bikes/buggy.
I sense both my Necromunda and GSC expanding..

World eaters are chaos but they are 2 individual CP, so the daemon prince might be for either.

leopard wrote:
looks like GW want to try one of these thats not snapped up by people who are already customers but perhaps want to aim for people who are newer to the hobby and are not determining the savings to a penny on each issue

This seems odd to me, would a new customer really want to commit to a 90-issue magazine run to get one of everything for a game? Especially since it'll almost certainly go direct only after a few issues so you won't get newsagent sales of random issues.

I can see it making some sense as a getting started thing for a group/club, but then it'd be far too slow. Assuming it takes 90 weeks, that's potentially going to mean 2 school years depending on when it starts. So it'd make more sense to offer a deeper discounted club starter pack with a combat patrol for each faction, rules and hobby kit.

It does appeal to the existing GW customers who are new to combat patrol, or people who just want a variety of models to paint.

Herzlos wrote:

leopard wrote:
looks like GW want to try one of these thats not snapped up by people who are already customers but perhaps want to aim for people who are newer to the hobby and are not determining the savings to a penny on each issue

This seems odd to me, would a new customer really want to commit to a 90-issue magazine run to get one of everything for a game? Especially since it'll almost certainly go direct only after a few issues so you won't get newsagent sales of random issues.

I can see it making some sense as a getting started thing for a group/club, but then it'd be far too slow. Assuming it takes 90 weeks, that's potentially going to mean 2 school years depending on when it starts. So it'd make more sense to offer a deeper discounted club starter pack with a combat patrol for each faction, rules and hobby kit.

It does appeal to the existing GW customers who are new to combat patrol, or people who just want a variety of models to paint.

could be, or could just be aimed at the sort of people who buy all the other expensive partworks out there

Herzlos wrote:

leopard wrote:
looks like GW want to try one of these thats not snapped up by people who are already customers but perhaps want to aim for people who are newer to the hobby and are not determining the savings to a penny on each issue

This seems odd to me, would a new customer really want to commit to a 90-issue magazine run to get one of everything for a game? Especially since it'll almost certainly go direct only after a few issues so you won't get newsagent sales of random issues.

It's not a commitment though. If you like the first 20 issues with Marines and Tyranids and want to stop you just can. Same every 20 issues.

But I'd also challenge the idea that, once you have the first 20 issues, and are playing Combat Patrol games with Tyranids and Marines, that the pathway to continued engagement with the hobby is "now I'm going to get more Tyranids and Marines so I can have some 2000 point armies". Unless you're playing at clubs or organised events, then "now I'm going to get more combat patrols with different factions, so I can play different match-ups" seems like just as valid a way to stay in the hobby to me.

Not everything has to be in service of the ultimate goal of a 2000 point army.

Danny76 wrote:
https://www.warhammercombatpatrol.com/

Better for looking at the full collection

from the FAQ on that page:

When will the collection be available?

Issue 1 will be available to buy in UK stores on 10th January. Issue 2 will be available on 24th January. Issue 3 will be available on 31st January. Issue 4 will be available on 7th February.

I didn't realise it was going to be available quite so soon!

 Nicky J wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
https://www.warhammercombatpatrol.com/

Better for looking at the full collection

from the FAQ on that page:

When will the collection be available?

Issue 1 will be available to buy in UK stores on 10th January. Issue 2 will be available on 24th January. Issue 3 will be available on 31st January. Issue 4 will be available on 7th February.

I didn't realise it was going to be available quite so soon!

It isn't for the most part, this is the trial run of the first four issues that will only be made available in like one county.

The real thing probably goes live in September.

Something slightly different has happened.

When I subscribed at the Conquest and Imperium trial run stage, I received emails saying the launch was a trial.

This time, I have actually been given a subscriber number. I'm not actually expecting anything to be delivered but I can't recall having a sub number before at this stage.

 The Phazer wrote:

 Nicky J wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
https://www.warhammercombatpatrol.com/

Better for looking at the full collection

from the FAQ on that page:

When will the collection be available?

Issue 1 will be available to buy in UK stores on 10th January. Issue 2 will be available on 24th January. Issue 3 will be available on 31st January. Issue 4 will be available on 7th February.

I didn't realise it was going to be available quite so soon!

It isn't for the most part, this is the trial run of the first four issues that will only be made available in like one county.

The real thing probably goes live in September.

Are we sure this is the case? I can't see anything on their website saying its just trial in a certain area, it's just written as if its a normal release. From what I remember last time it was clear it was a trial in specific regions.