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There’s a suitably inhuman, robotic coolness and surety about Andy The Second. I think it is easy and lazy to call him malevolent.
We don’t see him needlessly sacrificing lives. For instance, with the Room Of Special Hugs, if his new directive was his sole driving factor, there’d be no reason to tell the others how to get through. Their survival is irrelevant to his mission.
We also know that Rook told Andy stuff verbally, albeit off screen. So I very much agree we can’t say he would’ve known about the err…side effects, of the Prometheus Goo, as it likely wasn’t on the chip he received. Nor was he insistent when the other two questioned him.
I’m gonna make a lazy prediction and say Andy is gonna be the lasting legacy character here. The one most likely to turn up or be referenced in future films and series, and the one subject to the majority of critical analysis.
David Jonsson’s performance really is that good. Full of subtlety, even down to facial expression when weighing up a situation and deciding the best course of action. It’s not even a Poker Face, as you can see something going on there. It’s not someone trying to hide something, it’s someone not capable of expressing something. Just absolutely phenomenal stuff.
Dude has a bright future ahead of him.
Also, I loved the auto-aim thing on the precursor Pulse Rifle. It’s a simple and sense making plot device, not only because it allows Untrained McGee to kick ass, but that as something held in a science lab studying Bloody Dangerous Beasties, a rifle which allows Untrained McGee to kick ass is a sensible tool!
Heck, an unkind critic (me. It’s me) might even only half jokingly say it’s development is a direct result of the Prometheus and Covenant Mission Reports showing Weyland Yutani employees to be so staggeringly inept and stupid and fond of licking things that don’t need licking, they need all the help they can get.
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The auto-aim thing is also just a smart sort of side reference to the Smart Rifle from Aliens. One of the film's more iconic weapons. Just scaled down in tech and used smartly when it would otherwise be unbelievable that the characters were suddenly crack shots.
I feel that bit really speaks to how well put together the film is.
There’s been real thought put into the scenes. Whilst I don’t necessarily agree with all of the solutions presented, I appreciate the effort all the same.
Sod it. Come pay day? If my local flea pit is still showing, I’ll go see it again.
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A lot of modern films imo suffer from the plots and characters being window dressing around overdone set pieces. Romulus bucks that trend pretty hard. Most of the set pieces are 1) actually entertaining (it helps that anyone and everyone can't Kung Fu/GET THAT PARKOUR, so there's more going on than watching people punch each other unconscious), and 2) the characters and plot flow through the set pieces fairly well. Nothing stands out like 'the whole last 30 minutes were nothing but an excuse for this overdone 5 minute action sequence.'
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It has common dna with Alien Ressurrection there, where the answer isn’t “fight”, it’s “RUN AWAY!!!”.
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The end does drag on some though, and probably could’ve been trimmed down. But I like Rain’s solution to the corridor battle. Particularly as it was ultimately an act of desperation, rather than “aha! That’ll sort them out!”. And some fantastic zero-g mucking about follows. Again it’s not perfect, but it’s plenty good enough to earn a comfortable pass.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Main thing? If this is someone’s first brush with the franchise? They’d 100% be back for more, including watching the originals.
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Wikipedia is listing it as $80m in Budget, and a Box Office of $108m so far.
So looks like it’s gonna go down as a box office success.
Will this encourage a further entry? The overall saga leaves room for such, and we’ve of course got Alien Earth coming up in the next six months or so - which now really has its work cut out for it!
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Quick question: how much body horror does the film have?
Specifically, does it have characters with traumatic injuries played in a dramatic fashion? For example, my son has seen Alien/s, all the Freddy movies and the 80’s Mad Max movies and was fine…but a certain injury that happened to Furiosa in Furiosa really disturbed him, apparently because the effects are better and the injury happened to a main character and received more focus.
I liked it. Not perfect, and in many places predictible (but it is a curse of Aliens movies, once you have seen one then you know what to expect) but still a good, entertaining one. Actors did a great job, and Andy was phenomenally played. It sits honorably with the first and the second movies.
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Felt like a mid 5/10. Better than a lot of the stuff post Aliens, but certainly not up there with the original two. And far too much "do you remember this scene, and this one, and this one oh and this line?". Got pretty boring towards the end.
The lines and/or scenes lifted from the earlier ones were an odd touch, they got a bit of an internal groan but I don't think they hurt the film in any way except for the timing of towards the end. I've not seen the early ones in a while so probably missed a few references.
Shadow Walker wrote: I liked it. Not perfect, and in many places predictible (but it is a curse of Aliens movies, once you have seen one then you know what to expect) but still a good, entertaining one. Actors did a great job, and Andy was phenomenally played. It sits honorably with the first and the second movies.
I think that sums it up for me. Even without watching any trailers (which I avoid), it's an Alien film and thus you've got a pretty good idea of what's going to happen.
I still enjoyed it though, especially in the cinema. It might not have the same atmosphere at home, and like most films in that genre I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to watch it again.
I thought it was just fine, or 'okay'. In a way it was a return to form for the franchise. I do appreciate the Alien Isolation influence. But I wish it took itself a little more seriously, and had more of a moody atmospheric beginning. The pacing of the movie is very modern. It does feel like the director took some of his favorite bits from all the movies and put it in a blender. I'd give it a 6.5 out of 10, I liked it slightly more than that Prey movie that was made for hulu and the Predator series.
Okay, now that I am not tired and going to bed right after the movie here is a more in depth review.
I really enjoyed the opening.
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Seeing the corporate hellscape and lives of regular people working and trying to survive on one of these colony worlds was a good addition to the world building of the franchise. It clearly sets up the motivations for the main cast and was just all around great view of a part of the world we haven't had much view of before.
With Hadley's Hope they were the initial colonists. Everyone there was in some way a component of building the infrastructure to support future colonists. Engineers, technicians, grunt workers and surveyors. Not much in the way of an actual civilization. Just the start of one.
Here we see a mining colony with what little entertainment or whatever they can muster. Disease, dangerous conditions, and ever extending contracts. We all knew Weyland Yutani was a greedy corporation, but now we see how they crush the littlest of the little people in the cogs of their machines.
The Xenomorphs themselves were great.
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From the face huger swarms to the drones everything looked awesome and they all behaved how they should have behaved. The bare minimum I ask for from one of these. Then we get the black goo. Turning Face Hugers into a farm to milk and attempt to purify or modify the black goo from Prometheus is both unexpected and great. In Alien 3, real-life-person Bishop talks about all we could learn from them. Medicines and whatever. Not that it's a weapon. I think its good to see this actual motivation from the company. They are not ACTUALLY trying to turn the Xenos into weapons (though I am sure some branch of the company would be doing that too). Their primary research is in next steps controlled evolution and advancement for humanity. Neat. gak man was not meant to mess with and definitely bites them in the ass. But neat. Setting the stage for how horrible colonist life is and then using the Xeno research to talk about costs in man power and trying to circumvent that. It's cool. The people who died are still just a cost figure on a spread sheet. The company still only REALLY cares about the bottom line. But if the bottom line is post humanity hybrids that act as frontier colonizers and super soldiers well.... then how would any other company compete?
The 3rd act.
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I know some people think i falls apart a bit in the 3rd act. Like maybe they wanted more xenos in their alien movie. But this "Offspring" as it is referred to in the script (as opposed to the Newborn of Alien Resurrection) was a fantastic bridge between Prometheus and Alien. A Xeno with a human (Re: engineer) face and skin stretched over what would otherwise be it's exoskeleton. Bonus, you didn't just throw it out an airlock. You smashed it to piece and blew it apart along the rocky rings of a planet. I loved this thing. And it's birth was terrible. Just awful. A nightmare to watch. Thanks for remembering that the Alien Franchise has always kind of been about monsters that rape you and use you as incubators and then bringing that to one of it's most awful presentations.
Some dialog
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I think the movie could have done without a lot of the throw back dialog. Rook didn't need to do the "I cannot lie to you about your chances..." bit. The one exception to this would be the Get away from her.... you bitch." Because it was set up earlier in the movie when Andy was watching the ass hole younger brother tack a "you bitch" onto the end of a different line. While yes it is a call back to that thing Ripley did it was at least set up in movie as him mimicking the people around him. The rest of that call back dialog could have not been there and it would have been fine. Might have even made the movie better. I don't need nostalgia bait. I am already watching an Alien movie. You put face hugers, chest bursters, and drones in it.
Rook.
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His family was all on board and the director bought the finished film to them before anyone else. They were happy to see Ian Holmes on screen again in one of his most famous roles. That is the one and only litmus test for resurrecting dead actors like this imo. If the actor or family is like okay. Then okay. If the studio is like "we didn't ask or don't care" then feth you.
The CGI for it wasn't the best, but in a lot of ways that added to the broken down robot he was. They probably could have and should have applied more damage to his face to cover for some of that. Oh well. His role in the movie was really good and just as sinister as the Ash incarnation.
Again. Loved it. Fantastic addition. Will see in theaters again. Will own on 4k or whatever. Looking forward to Alien: Earth Hulu show.
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Unless I missed or forgot something, didn’t Rain and Andy head off into the wide black yonder with the Mucky GooGoo from Prometheus and Covenant? However unwittingly.
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They're going to that planet Rain wanted to go to, but that also apparently wasn't welcoming to Weyland-Yutani androids. So the movie does end on a bit of sequel bait. And unless they dumped it, which isn't shown, they still have the spooge.
You know, thats how I wrote it out but autocorrect kept changing it back so I stopped trying to correct it.
LordofHats wrote:That's how the movie ends.
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They're going to that planet Rain wanted to go to, but that also apparently wasn't welcoming to Weyland-Yutani androids. So the movie does end on a bit of sequel bait. And unless they dumped it, which isn't shown, they still have the spooge.
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Yes! And most interesting to me, is this is now a situation where we get potential corporate or even nation state turf wars over this goo. Weyland Yutani isn't welcome there. And in the deep lore of the alien franchise there are about 4 different governmental bodies that own different sectors of space. Would Weyland send corporate mercenaries into another nation to try to reclaim their asset? Sounds like something they would do.
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Having been chatting with my YouTube buddy (we’ve done two videos in like….8 or so months. World domination now surely just a hairsbreadth away!) I think I can offer some spoiler free encouragement for those on the fence.
1. Whilst a bit flawed? The creative team absolutely understand what makes a Genuinely Good Alien Movie. Atmosphere, action, antici……..pation, arseholes, aaaaaargh and…erm…nope I think I’m out of alliteration. And this is more than a brave stab at it. It Is Competent. Just falls frustratingly short of outright brilliance.
2. The cast are phenomenal. Genuinely so.
3. The way the plot plays out never feels contrived. There are “when you stop and think about it” in-universe good reasons for certain things, and the rest is just genuinely well written and decently executed.
4. It is scary. I’m a gorehound that’s been watching horror movies since the age of 11. And this film gets the scares done.
5. It genuinely adds to the background setting in what I consider to be interesting ways. It even plays with things that sucked in earlier entries and makes them at the very least passable.
6. Rain, our main protagonist isn’t Just Another Ripley. She’s a very different character with different motivations and different reactions.
I get that given most cinema prices these days* and the general cost of living squeeze you may wish to put it off. And as ever, totally fair enough. I’m not one to tell others what to spend their dosh on. But, once it comes to streaming (probably Amazon in about three weeks as paid for content, Disney+/Hulu in a couple of months)? Do yourself a favour. Gather your mates. Arrange a rental night like us sad old farts did before Blockbuster carked it. You cough up for the movie, your mates all bring snacks and drinks.
Alien Romulus has done for Alien what Prey did for Predator.
And. I. Want. MOAR.
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I got to see it today! To quote a good friend of mine, Holy Cats!
There's so much set detail to see I couldn't take my eyes off. The suspense was very strong, I don't like suspense very much so this really gets he hart beating! I have nothing bad to say. We're eager to buy this on dvd.
I loved the mining planet. It smacked me in the face that it's a company planet, like a company town. Which made it so bleak and horrible. Fantastic.
And the soundtrack/score what ever it's called. Perfect.
My hopes for the future now include a comic accurate AVP movie, if we could ever get so lucky. But what I really want is another movie set in this universe similar to Outlands. A good police story/mystery with a company researcher. We do have a few questions I'd love to have answered with another movie.
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How did they get the black goo ?
Hope we get to find out. I look forward to seeing this movie again in a few months.
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My assumption is they went back to the planet Prometheus is set on. Pretty sure the scientists didn’t lick every pot of black goo with the Do Not Lick label
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