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The missions are very bland, following the footsteps of 40K being variations of stand on a circle for a longer time. Even if the rules are fun and complex the simple fact the table has mandated layouts per mission and there's next to none for real variety in the missions will leave the impression of a dry sea bed of creativity. I hope that the codexes flush it out and provide lots of fun battle tactics to compensate.

Cards are starting to knock around now

The Celestant Prime is getting its (well needed) new model then.

This feller started uploading "man reads warscrolls on camera"

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Voss wrote:
Got a 'its not too late' email today for the boxed set. Wonder if they overproduced or undersold?

Let's not start that again. gak still being available 5 days into the preorder week isn't a bad thing.

I didn't pass any moral judgements on it. Its just in a world where GW preorders can vanish in 24 hours or even 2 hours, a 'hey, you can still buy this, please buy this' email is notable.

Voss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Voss wrote:
Got a 'its not too late' email today for the boxed set. Wonder if they overproduced or undersold?

Let's not start that again. gak still being available 5 days into the preorder week isn't a bad thing.

I didn't pass any moral judgements on it. Its just in a world where GW preorders can vanish in 24 hours or even 2 hours, a 'hey, you can still buy this, please buy this' email is notable.

To be fair, it’s not out of character for GW to send out that email even if the stock sold out 2 minutes after going live 5 days ago…

The left and right hands don’t talk to eachother very well sometimes over there.

 Nevelon wrote:

Voss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Voss wrote:
Got a 'its not too late' email today for the boxed set. Wonder if they overproduced or undersold?

Let's not start that again. gak still being available 5 days into the preorder week isn't a bad thing.

I didn't pass any moral judgements on it. Its just in a world where GW preorders can vanish in 24 hours or even 2 hours, a 'hey, you can still buy this, please buy this' email is notable.

To be fair, it’s not out of character for GW to send out that email even if the stock sold out 2 minutes after going live 5 days ago…

The left and right hands don’t talk to eachother very well sometimes over there.

Most likely those happen because the emails are not necessarily grouped by country of origin (some email blocks might not even have that data attached to them). So it might be in supply in some regions but out in others so everyone gets the email.

A week in the German webstore still has the objective markers pre-order bonus if you buy the launch box.

That doesn't sound like the boxes are flying off the (virtual) shelves.

Good for people who don't care for FOMO, at least.

 Geifer wrote:
A week in the German webstore still has the objective markers pre-order bonus if you buy the launch box.

That doesn't sound like the boxes are flying off the (virtual) shelves.

Good for people who don't care for FOMO, at least.

Ditto the US store.

 Gibblets wrote:
The missions are very bland, following the footsteps of 40K being variations of stand on a circle for a longer time. Even if the rules are fun and complex the simple fact the table has mandated layouts per mission and there's next to none for real variety in the missions will leave the impression of a dry sea bed of creativity. I hope that the codexes flush it out and provide lots of fun battle tactics to compensate.

Even gw doesn't call it mandated terrain. Why would you?

I'm just expressing my local meta. They play lots of games of 40K, AoS and some old world but it's all in 3 leagues. So only competitive setups and rules are allowed, literally, ever. To the point they replaced their terrain with MDF GW layout stuff. These are the people that went out and either bought new gaming mats or cut up old ones when the minimum table size was introduced in 9th. So it bothers me when I see folks getting to have fun like I used to before the group think killed narrative here. I feel the need to sound the alarm that moves like this erode aspects of the game that some of the player base enjoys. It's just some deep personal loss that I need to shut up about and finally fully move on from. Happy wargaming.

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Have to admit, they had me fooled this time, I did not expect 8 pages of errata a week before release. But here we are again, despite what those haughty designer interviews said.

weird to give us points before we have any of the rules. but i'm glad we can at least finally see how regiments work in practice


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oh, and also the rules PDF is so hilariously unoptimized that it takes about a minute to scroll through a single page. the points PDF isn't nearly as bad

Interested to check out this Spearhead option when Skaventide comes.
Shame there isn’t a little flexibility in it.
I have a Sylvaneth host box. Has an extra character and units but missing one unit to be the current Spearhead box (which is fine if you were building an army. But if I just wanted to stop at Spearhead level I’m close to having an extra one there..)

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:


oh, and also the rules PDF is so hilariously unoptimized that it takes about a minute to scroll through a single page. the points PDF isn't nearly as bad

It was the same with free Warcry rules. Horrible to use.

Interesting omissions and moves to Legends. I don't see Giant Rats or the Warp Grinder in any of the lists right now, and they moved the Blue Scribes, Fluxmaster, and Fatemaster all to Legends.

Surprised at the Giant Rats.

Blue Scribes I think are suffering like a bunch of other things as GW is panic/sudden removing a whole load of Finecast in one go. I think to just fully get rid of it as a material so that FW resin can stand on its own and people won't get confused (a LOT of people only see resin as resin and don't realise that finecast and FW resin are entirely different)


Also interesting to see the Slaanesh Exalted Chariot is in legends too; but only the regular kind. They seem to have decided to make it the "leader" option only and removed the leaders on seeker/hellflayer builds. A bit of a shame to lose the regular exalted version, but at the same time I can see how that choice makes sense and its likely how they were originally intended - bit duel chariot as a special thing whilst seekers and hellflayers remain as troop style without leader options.

And yep the Viceleader (finecast deamonette leader) is also in the Legends as expected. Honestly more surprised that with all the updates GW did to Slaanesh, that this model didn't get a new updated sculpt.

The must really want Ogors players to take big models vs. stuff like Mournfangs.

Most of the Thundertusk/Stonerider went down 50-100 points.

Yep their points are down at the moment. I'll take more notice when the battletomes come out. Until then I'm sceptical about anything here.

It's a new game, points changes from 3rd are irrelevant.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It's a new game, points changes from 3rd are irrelevant.

I mean, that's blatantly false.

Just seeing points can give insight into where GW is trying to push the game/armies.

If they want less cavalry and jack up their points by 25%+ and drop Monsters by 25%+, they clearly want to push the game a certain direction.

 TalonZahn wrote:


Just seeing points can give insight into where GW is trying to push the game/armies.

If they want less cavalry and jack up their points by 25%+ and drop Monsters by 25%+, they clearly want to push the game a certain direction.

I mean, that's blatantly false, given that it comes with a simultaneous overhaul of all warscrolls and core rules, unit type interactions, scoring, etc. The introduction of the Control stat alone makes any preconceptions of unit worth meaningless.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:


Just seeing points can give insight into where GW is trying to push the game/armies.

If they want less cavalry and jack up their points by 25%+ and drop Monsters by 25%+, they clearly want to push the game a certain direction.

I mean, that's blatantly false, given that it comes with a simultaneous overhaul of all warscrolls and core rules, unit type interactions, scoring, etc. The introduction of the Control stat alone makes any preconceptions of unit worth meaningless.

If GW wants certain units on a table over others, regardless of their "trimmings", points dictate all.

If a Vanquisher unit is 100 more points than it used to be and Stormdrake Guard are 200 points less, GW wants more of one than the other.

Regardless of what you think, how things are costed plays a much bigger role than anything else. Even without seeing the warscrolls.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:


Just seeing points can give insight into where GW is trying to push the game/armies.

If they want less cavalry and jack up their points by 25%+ and drop Monsters by 25%+, they clearly want to push the game a certain direction.

I mean, that's blatantly false, given that it comes with a simultaneous overhaul of all warscrolls and core rules, unit type interactions, scoring, etc. The introduction of the Control stat alone makes any preconceptions of unit worth meaningless.

If GW wants certain units on a table over others, regardless of their "trimmings", points dictate all.

If a Vanquisher unit is 100 more points than it used to be and Stormdrake Guard are 200 points less, GW wants more of one than the other.

Regardless of what you think, how things are costed plays a much bigger role than anything else. Even without seeing the warscrolls.

If a vanquisher is now worth a hundred points more than it used to be and storm drake are worth 200 points less in the new edition with their new rules, then this would be very hyperbolic.

This part isn't: "If they want less cavalry and jack up their points by 25%+ and drop Monsters by 25%+, they clearly want to push the game a certain direction."

So look at something like Gorger Mawpack, warscroll is worse than 3.0 and they went up 60pts.

Huskard on Stonehorn, warscroll is clearly better than 3.0 and they went down 100pts.

Seems to me like GW wants more big models in this army, pushing it in a clear direction.

They've been doing that a while; its also why they've attacked big infantry blocks a lot in the previous edition as well.

It's not a bad move, 2nd edition was very dominated by massive infantry blocks and that pushed elite units, monsters and some cavalry out of the game as being viable. Simply because a massive 30-40 infantry block would outperform the monster on a lot of fronts.

So pushing to smaller infantry blocks and restricting them and favouring monsters allows people to put more of those units on the table more effectively.


It's not the only way to balance things and I think its also a background directive to have AoS be the "skirmish game with monsters" and Old World the "Wargame with infantry/cavalry blocks".

There's a couple things that jump out at me:

1) If Gaunt Summoners are going to pay 80 points for their Discs, they'd better be getting some serious bang for those bucks.

2) Chaos Warriors are twenty points per model, while Chosen are FIFTY. I can't imagine Chosen being that much better to justify the points...


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 Overread wrote:
They've been doing that a while; its also why they've attacked big infantry blocks a lot in the previous edition as well.

It's not a bad move, 2nd edition was very dominated by massive infantry blocks and that pushed elite units, monsters and some cavalry out of the game as being viable. Simply because a massive 30-40 infantry block would outperform the monster on a lot of fronts.

So pushing to smaller infantry blocks and restricting them and favouring monsters allows people to put more of those units on the table more effectively.


It's not the only way to balance things and I think its also a background directive to have AoS be the "skirmish game with monsters" and Old World the "Wargame with infantry/cavalry blocks".

Fixed 'To Wound' rolls will do that. When you're wounding a dragon just as easily as you are a goblin, monsters don't look so great.

2) Chaos Warriors are twenty points per model, while Chosen are FIFTY. I can't imagine Chosen being that much better to justify the points...

Chaos Warriors :

Move 5" Wounds 2 Control 1 Armor Save 3+

2 Attacks 3+ Hit 3+ Wound Rend -1 D1 with Crit (Auto-wound)

They get an extra attack while contesting an objective they control.

Chaos Chosen :

Move 5" Wounds 3 Control 1 Armor Save 3+

3 Attacks 3+ Hit 3+ Wound Rend -1 D2 with Crit (Mortal)

Once per Battle they can fight a second time (Strike Last applies to the second fight).

From THW on youtube who showed the whole Index.

Chosen are much much better imo.

Selfcontrol wrote:

2) Chaos Warriors are twenty points per model, while Chosen are FIFTY. I can't imagine Chosen being that much better to justify the points...

Chaos Warriors :

Move 5" Wounds 2 Control 1 Armor Save 3+

2 Attacks 3+ Hit 3+ Wound Rend -1 D1 with Crit (Auto-wound)

They get an extra attack while contesting an objective they control.

Chaos Chosen :

Move 5" Wounds 3 Control 1 Armor Save 3+

3 Attacks 3+ Hit 3+ Wound Rend -1 D2 with Crit (Mortal)

Once per Battle they can fight a second time (Strike Last applies to the second fight).

From THW on youtube who showed the whole Index.

Chosen are much much better imo.

What kind of comparison is that? You need to compare 1 Chosen to 2 1/2 Warriors.

2 1/2 Chaos Warriors :

Move 5" Wounds 5 Control 2.5 Armor Save 3+

5 Attacks 3+ Hit 3+ Wound Rend -1 D1 with Crit (Auto-wound)

They get 2.5 extra attacks while contesting an objective they control.

Chaos Chosen :

Move 5" Wounds 3 Control 1 Armor Save 3+

3 Attacks 3+ Hit 3+ Wound Rend -1 D2 with Crit (Mortal)

Once per Battle they can fight a second time (Strike Last applies to the second fight).