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Chosen are clearly paying for that second fight ability, which in theory could be pretty powerful if used at the right moment. The drawback is its only once per battle.

The Warriors, IF you can move them forward fast enough to take control over an objective, then become a better choice because they get more attacks which can span over multiple turns. Plus they will have more bodies/wounds in total and thus with the same armour save, will last longer.


Chosen don't feel twice as good

Just realized a number of units they claimed would get Legends rules don't seem to have any. Branchwraith, Mistweaver Saih, and Rat Swarms are all missing in that file.

Also, based on this article the remaining candidates for new Skaven miniatures are Acolytes, all the weapons teams (except maybe the Warp Grinder which didn't show up in Legends or the main list), Master Moulder, Arch Warlock, and Stormvermin. That would be a very big release if they all got new models.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Stormvermin.

They really need an update but so is a Temple Guard or Skinks, and they were not updated with a rest of Seraphon.

I'm kind of surprised they didn't sprinkle giant rats onto sprue like they do rippers for Tyranids.


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 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Stormvermin.

They really need an update but so is a Temple Guard or Skinks, and they were not updated with a rest of Seraphon.

GW seems to like leaving openly "this should be updated why isn't it" elements into their army updates. I'm not sure if that's just budgets hitting limits; or constant delays on things or even if its a marketing strategy to always leave something "left out" so there's always "something more for next time" or the like

 Overread wrote:
I'm kind of surprised they didn't sprinkle giant rats onto sprue like they do rippers for Tyranids.

Yeah, it is a disappointment that they are not present in any form.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Stormvermin.

They really need an update but so is a Temple Guard or Skinks, and they were not updated with a rest of Seraphon.

I only assume they are getting an update because the old kit is disappearing, but the unit is still in the main list. I agree the Saurus Guard need an update, but the models are still on sale, I believe.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I agree the Saurus Guard need an update, but the models are still on sale, I believe.

Yes https://www.warhammer.com/en-PL/shop/Seraphon-Saurus-Guard?queryID=354d0ccf09038bc85222afe52105e27d

order faction packs are up... they hid them ALLLLL the way at the bottom of the downloads section.

Besides the article you mean (yea these show up on the landing page with some latency)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/09/free-order-faction-pack-downloads-unite-to-defend-the-realms/

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Besides the article you mean (yea these show up on the landing page with some latency)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/09/free-order-faction-pack-downloads-unite-to-defend-the-realms/

except for the fact that i posted it before the article was up... guess i was just anxious to see them.

So Liberators with two hammers or with hammer and shield have the same stats but Annihilators with hammer and shield or with two handed hammer have two scrolls. Consistency

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So Liberators with two hammers or with hammer and shield have the same stats but Annihilators with hammer and shield or with two handed hammer have two scrolls. Consistency

maybe because liberators with shields aren't a thing anymore?
i mean i see it in the picture but it's technically not an option anymore.
youre also comparing a unit with one optional two handed hammer to an entire unit of guys with two handed hammers.

it kind of stinks that they force you to arm units with options a certain way.
i dont think id give the stormcast chariot model a bow but you have to in spearhead.

time for some counts as i think

 usernamesareannoying wrote:

youre also comparing a unit with one optional two handed hammer to an entire unit of guys with two handed hammers.

I was rather comparing their shield/two hammers options with two options for Annihilators But what I meant was, if you are streamlining weapon options then do it for all scrolls no matter what they have.

apologies for having to ask but what was the release order on the faction packs again?
i cant seem to find the article that it was in.

Order, chaos, death and then destruction i believe.

Why the "Stormcast Supplemental" in a different pdf?
Are these models that won't be in the new Stormcast book, ie. Legends? (squatted)

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Why the "Stormcast Supplemental" in a different pdf?
Are these models that won't be in the new Stormcast book, ie. Legends? (squatted)

It literally says why.

The Stormcast Eternals also receive a Battletome Supplement that covers the warriors of the Sacrosanct Chamber and a selection of other miniatures which have left the range. It contains pages of lore alongside a new battle formation and warscroll cards, which will be Matched Play legal for one year.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Why the "Stormcast Supplemental" in a different pdf?
Are these models that won't be in the new Stormcast book, ie. Legends? (squatted)

It literally says why.

The Stormcast Eternals also receive a Battletome Supplement that covers the warriors of the Sacrosanct Chamber and a selection of other miniatures which have left the range. It contains pages of lore alongside a new battle formation and warscroll cards, which will be Matched Play legal for one year.

Sorry Kan, I missed that - I was obviously too eager to download, and busy with renaming the lovely named "P7AEmfJ9GdLyU7zd.pdf" files.

I bought the Dominion box set as my first foray into AoS. I then bought some extra models to add to the army. It would seem half of what I bought for the Stormcast are now squatted. I haven't even got round to painting all of them. And now I probably won't bother. I haven't pre-ordered any AoS4 and I'm not going to. The amount of time building and painting models for me, means a game should not use them like a DLC season. Time is too precious for that sort of selling scheme.

It's Chaos time: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/10/free-chaos-faction-pack-downloads-bring-the-realms-to-ruin/

So rumours about Gutter Runners removal were true.

From today's Beasts of Chaos Battletome:


TLDR? The Ruinous Powers were recruiting.

 Kanluwen wrote:
From today's Beasts of Chaos Battletome:

Spoiler:

TLDR? The Ruinous Powers were recruiting.

I dig it. Kind of heals the wound, as they could've just ignored/written them out as if they never existed. Strongly leaves open the possibility of a return with new kits down the road. Let TOW have the stuff that was made for that system!

Also, kind of confirms that Pestigor are on the way, right? No mention of Khorne variants makes me a sad lil Ungor, though.

Also Also, I got an Ironjawz Mawkrusha in my Stormbringer delivery this month. Not sure if that's a bug or a feature, because I got one last month as well. Seems like a steal!

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So rumours about Gutter Runners removal were true.

The points pack on Monday already showed us that.

 nels1031 wrote:


Also, kind of confirms that Pestigor are on the way, right? No mention of Khorne variants makes me a sad lil Ungor, though.

Yeah, what's up with that? Also, aren't Tzaangors a separate bird man species in AoS, rather than Gors dedicated to a god, they way other X-gors are?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So rumours about Gutter Runners removal were true.

The points pack on Monday already showed us that.

If I would only bother to read them

hey guys, is the requirement for attacking now simply that the unit be in combat range or is it a model by model question still?
i cant seem to find a clear answer in the rules.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:


Also, kind of confirms that Pestigor are on the way, right? No mention of Khorne variants makes me a sad lil Ungor, though.

Yeah, what's up with that? Also, aren't Tzaangors a separate bird man species in AoS, rather than Gors dedicated to a god, they way other X-gors are?

No, well yes, maybe, but then again its probably a hermeneutical question, or not, yes.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
hey guys, is the requirement for attacking now simply that the unit be in combat range or is it a model by model question still?
i cant seem to find a clear answer in the rules.

Individual models in the unit have to be within combat range to attack. Mind, at 3", it usually shouldn't be difficult to do so.

Having read through the Spearhead rules I'm wondering what others think of this version?

Is the idea of preset forces off putting? I guess some factions have better units than others and will be stronger out the gate than others. There seems a reasonable mix of units though for a small battle.

As the Spearhead rules are free to download with the faction rules too, and through the Stormbringer magazine releases, I realised some Spearhead forces could maybe be bought separately for an even cheaper initial outlay.

Interested if others see this version only as an entry to Age of Sigmar proper or as a complete version to itself.

For me it's tempting but I'm also waiting to see the rest of the faction rules downloads.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Having read through the Spearhead rules I'm wondering what others think of this version?

Is the idea of preset forces off putting? I guess some factions have better units than others and will be stronger out the gate than others. There seems a reasonable mix of units though for a small battle.

As the Spearhead rules are free to download with the faction rules too, and through the Stormbringer magazine releases, I realised some Spearhead forces could maybe be bought separately for an even cheaper initial outlay.

Interested if others see this version only as an entry to Age of Sigmar proper or as a complete version to itself.

For me it's tempting but I'm also waiting to see the rest of the faction rules downloads.

The general consensus is that it has the potential to be a game unto itself with a couple of caveats. The variety comes from the cards which can impact ingame decisions and the variety of factions. If you and a friend are playing one faction against each repeatedly then it going to get pretty repetitive after about a dozen games. The more people you play against and the more spearheads you have yourself, the more longevity the game will have. Depending on the kind of player you are, the board size could be a problem. You are very much in combat from turn one.
Most games do seem to end up being close but this is achieved by many armies being able to bring dead units back and a generous underdog mechanic. Some people hate this sort of thing.