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I have came to ask here to get your opinions about whether GW will release some sort of large units for Kroot, as I have been in the hobby for a long time, though not continuously and I do not follow much releases, leaks, or GW release tactics. Having said that I feel like what is missing from Kroot to be a standalone 2000 pts army are some largers units, but of course the argument could that they are not required get something big since technically they are part of Tau with variety of heavy units. I got really invested with the new kroot models, definitelly am looking to collect full army and since The Great Gnarloc was taken down from Forge World shop I was expecting them to release some sort of substitute from GW. I wonder what is your take whether we could be seeing something big for Kroots. Judging from the ammount of Kroot Hunting Pack boxes still available in shop stocks I am worried that even if that was the plan, they might scrape it for now since there are still loads of boxes laying around to be sold - meaning people were not that invested with Kroots.

Yeah I was also disappointed to see that the Great Gnarloc was no longer available, mostly for Dawn of War Dark Crusade nostalgia.

Maybe they're not as interested because it's the sort of mini that's relatively easy to make out of a toy dinosaur?

They should definitely make a plastic Great Knarloc IMO.

Great Knarloc and Knarloc riders need to happen!

Unfortunately it is highly unlikely that GW will release a greater Knarloc in this edition cycle.

A big model release like than is usually reserved for a codex release and that has been and gone.

A big missed opportunity, I think it would have looked awesome and really given the Kroot only army a nice centre piece.

If you fancied a kitbash challenge then pick up a Lizardman Carnosaur, add a couple of decent guns and a Kroot rider and call it a Knarloc but use it as a counts as riptide :-)

 WisdomLS wrote:
Unfortunately it is highly unlikely that GW will release a greater Knarloc in this edition cycle.

A big model release like than is usually reserved for a codex release and that has been and gone.

A big missed opportunity, I think it would have looked awesome and really given the Kroot only army a nice centre piece.

If you fancied a kitbash challenge then pick up a Lizardman Carnosaur, add a couple of decent guns and a Kroot rider and call it a Knarloc but use it as a counts as riptide :-)

Yeah, I was thinking the same, thank you for confirming that
I have been mostly colecting and painting recently, not playing a lot and Im not very familiar with how they proceed with new releases, hoped maybe with digitalized codexes they could be releasing new models on the go as they do not have rerelease the book itself, but rather upload new data to the app.

Let us hope we can get something with the new edition!

I will definitelly look into kitbashing something or making Tau suits /heavy equipment painted in some jungle greens, weathered and painted over with some tribal themes as if they were stationed on a a Kroot planet outpost for a very long time, asimilating with Kroot ways of living.

A Greater Knarloc kit with a boatload of accessories so it could be built as a cargo hauler, have a team of riders or bear a howdah style heavier gun. Plus multiple posses for variety if you want to field 3.

In Kill Team Spec ops campaigns, everyone has a base of operations. One of the base of operation options for Kroot KT's is a Greater Knarloc pack.

I picture a planetary scale campaign where settlement is encroaching on Kroot occupied wilds; Kroot move through the wilds with their Knarloc packs to lay siege to outlying territories only to fade back into the wild once the flesh has been eaten and the human infrastructure is shattered or appropriated.

The Kroot range still has a lot of design space left available. While we certainly can field a 2k point army (and it's actually reasonably strong), we could certainly use more variety as with the recent changes, one of the 2 lists of all Kroot we could run got hit pretty hard. (It was the very unfun list, so I'm not too sad about it, but still, more variety would be most welcome.)

You can play the units with Legends rules at the moment if you can track them down, though the Great Knarlocs are sadly really bad for their points. The were super strong back in 8th, so much that they were still decent after the 9th edition power creep, and I feel like GW overcorrected and nerfed them into the ground. They are 100 points and barely stronger than a 35 point Krootox.

The Knarloc riders are in a good spot though, feeling similar but different to the Rampagers and Krootox while playing in the same points range, they are a good addition if you can track some down.

It seems like GW has done most of what's feasible with T'au proper and are finally going into the auxiliary route, so I hope we'll see more next edition. Aside from Great Knarlocs and Knarloc Riders, there are canonical psyker Kroot that could use some models as well as flying Kroot. They could do so much more with the army though, Give us a big pterodactyl Kroot that can transport stuff around, or some big burly Kroot that have eaten too many Orks, or actual specialist units like Snipers, Heavy Weapons, and/or assassin units. There's more than enough design space to give Kroot their own codex one day and just have them be a faction able to ally in and out of T'au kinda like Chaos and Daemons do.

I'm still holding out for Vespid too- there's a rumour about an aerial season- both Vespid and Swooping Hawks become KT's vs. existing jump kits with upgrade sprues.

 PenitentJake wrote:
I'm still holding out for Vespid too- there's a rumour about an aerial season- both Vespid and Swooping Hawks become KT's vs. existing jump kits with upgrade sprues.

Yeah, it's been very heavily rumoured that the next Kill Team will be Vespid vs Militarum Tempestus. If that's the case, it more evidence that they are focusing more on the Auxiliaries of the Tau. We could certainly do with a small Vespid release. An HQ and a few support units. They could certainly fill the Auxiliary part of the Tau codex if the Kroot end up getting their own with the ability to ally in.

I know it's wishlisting, but with genesyealer cults they've shown the ability and willingness to throw an accessory sprue in with an Imperial Guard infantry set. Do the same to make a unit of Guela Vesa.

 Tawnis wrote:
The Kroot range still has a lot of design space left available. While we certainly can field a 2k point army (and it's actually reasonably strong), we could certainly use more variety as with the recent changes, one of the 2 lists of all Kroot we could run got hit pretty hard. (It was the very unfun list, so I'm not too sad about it, but still, more variety would be most welcome.)

You can play the units with Legends rules at the moment if you can track them down, though the Great Knarlocs are sadly really bad for their points. The were super strong back in 8th, so much that they were still decent after the 9th edition power creep, and I feel like GW overcorrected and nerfed them into the ground. They are 100 points and barely stronger than a 35 point Krootox.

The Knarloc riders are in a good spot though, feeling similar but different to the Rampagers and Krootox while playing in the same points range, they are a good addition if you can track some down.

It seems like GW has done most of what's feasible with T'au proper and are finally going into the auxiliary route, so I hope we'll see more next edition. Aside from Great Knarlocs and Knarloc Riders, there are canonical psyker Kroot that could use some models as well as flying Kroot. They could do so much more with the army though, Give us a big pterodactyl Kroot that can transport stuff around, or some big burly Kroot that have eaten too many Orks, or actual specialist units like Snipers, Heavy Weapons, and/or assassin units. There's more than enough design space to give Kroot their own codex one day and just have them be a faction able to ally in and out of T'au kinda like Chaos and Daemons do.

I can totally see that, tbh I was speculating earlier this year that they might go with some kind of Pterodactyl big piece as something new and fresh.
I have seen your army list and while I will probably end up with something similar but scaled down to 1000 pts for fun, fast paced games with friends as I dont play tournaments etc, but for esthetic reasons mostly I would prefer have more variety and some bigger kroot themed pieces in 2k list.
Im excited to see where this goes, but Im worried they might not give a lot of love to Kroot as shops here still have tons of Hunting Pack boxes in their stock and are progressively more discounted.

This is a little tangential, but why don't GW convert more FW kits into plastic? They have done it before and there are a few popular sculpts they have already retired from the FW site and you would think it would be an easy way to cut down on development for new kits.

qbaqba1 wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:
The Kroot range still has a lot of design space left available. While we certainly can field a 2k point army (and it's actually reasonably strong), we could certainly use more variety as with the recent changes, one of the 2 lists of all Kroot we could run got hit pretty hard. (It was the very unfun list, so I'm not too sad about it, but still, more variety would be most welcome.)

You can play the units with Legends rules at the moment if you can track them down, though the Great Knarlocs are sadly really bad for their points. The were super strong back in 8th, so much that they were still decent after the 9th edition power creep, and I feel like GW overcorrected and nerfed them into the ground. They are 100 points and barely stronger than a 35 point Krootox.

The Knarloc riders are in a good spot though, feeling similar but different to the Rampagers and Krootox while playing in the same points range, they are a good addition if you can track some down.

It seems like GW has done most of what's feasible with T'au proper and are finally going into the auxiliary route, so I hope we'll see more next edition. Aside from Great Knarlocs and Knarloc Riders, there are canonical psyker Kroot that could use some models as well as flying Kroot. They could do so much more with the army though, Give us a big pterodactyl Kroot that can transport stuff around, or some big burly Kroot that have eaten too many Orks, or actual specialist units like Snipers, Heavy Weapons, and/or assassin units. There's more than enough design space to give Kroot their own codex one day and just have them be a faction able to ally in and out of T'au kinda like Chaos and Daemons do.

I can totally see that, tbh I was speculating earlier this year that they might go with some kind of Pterodactyl big piece as something new and fresh.
I have seen your army list and while I will probably end up with something similar but scaled down to 1000 pts for fun, fast paced games with friends as I dont play tournaments etc, but for esthetic reasons mostly I would prefer have more variety and some bigger kroot themed pieces in 2k list.
Im excited to see where this goes, but Im worried they might not give a lot of love to Kroot as shops here still have tons of Hunting Pack boxes in their stock and are progressively more discounted.

The problem with the kit wasn't that it was Kroot, it was its contents. For many years, the Kroot Carnivore kit was the cheapest model to dollar ratio kit GW had (And after they got rid of the 5 man Cadian kit, it was no longer even close). It was priced less than any other infantry AND gave you 16 models instead of 10. This led to anyone who was previously interested in Kroot to already have a lot of them. So then you were only really paying for the other 6 models in the set and since two of them where characters, one of which you never want more than one of with it's current rules. The value just gets less and less. If this set instead had 10 Carnivores, and a unit of Farstalkers, I think it would have gone over a lot better as they are a key part of the Kroot army and most people only had a single unit of them if at all. (They also have lots of nice bits for conversions too.) Having a Lone Spear in the set over a Flesh Shaper would have helped the value of multiple kits too.




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 Mr Nobody wrote:
This is a little tangential, but why don't GW convert more FW kits into plastic? They have done it before and there are a few popular sculpts they have already retired from the FW site and you would think it would be an easy way to cut down on development for new kits.

I'm really hoping we see that in a second Kroot wave. My guess is some kind of licensing issue or some other background problem.

Even so, I'm glad we got new models like the Lone Spear and Rampager as we can still use the Knarlocs in Legends which gives us more variety in casual games.

 Tawnis wrote:
My guess is some kind of licensing issue or some other background problem.

How do you see there being a potential licensing issue?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:
My guess is some kind of licensing issue or some other background problem.

How do you see there being a potential licensing issue?

There's no way to say for certain since (as far as I'm aware) GW/FW don't talk about these things. However, just because they're cousin companies doesn't mean that that sculpts could be used interchangeably.

One thing could be if FW contracted out it's sculpting then GW would have to re-acquire the rights to those specific sculpts. This isn't without precedence as that's why we didn't have plastic Deffkoptas for ages. The ones in the Assault on Black Reach kit weren't designed by GW, so they weren't allowed to sell the kit outside of that specific set it was contracted for (or so I heard).

It's possible it could be as simple as them just taking years to re-design plastic version of them and wanting to make 100% sure all the FW stock gets sold first. It's hard to say.

 Tawnis wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:
My guess is some kind of licensing issue or some other background problem.

How do you see there being a potential licensing issue?

There's no way to say for certain since (as far as I'm aware) GW/FW don't talk about these things. However, just because they're cousin companies doesn't mean that that sculpts could be used interchangeably.

One thing could be if FW contracted out it's sculpting then GW would have to re-acquire the rights to those specific sculpts. This isn't without precedence as that's why we didn't have plastic Deffkoptas for ages. The ones in the Assault on Black Reach kit weren't designed by GW, so they weren't allowed to sell the kit outside of that specific set it was contracted for (or so I heard).

It's possible it could be as simple as them just taking years to re-design plastic version of them and wanting to make 100% sure all the FW stock gets sold first. It's hard to say.

They’re not ‘cousin companies’, FW is a department of GW. Nowadays they don’t even have separate online stores.

I’m also incredibly dubious there’s and rights issues with sculpts - GW have had rigid control of their IP and licensing agreements since the Malal fiasco in the 80s, and afaik all their sculpting is done in house.

Deffkopters not being sold separately will be because the sprues were mixed in with other units.

Plastic Greater Knarlocs would be very cool. Honestly though? I'd be down for some actual Kroot vehicles. Nothing too fancy, but some kind of fast light transport skimmers/hit-and-run attack vehicles would be cool. I always thought the Brute vehicles from Halo would be a good source of aesthetic inspiration, with functional concepts inspired by stuff like South African anti-insurgency vehicles. The Buffel but as a tribal alien skimmer would be pretty neat IMO.

Lord Zarkov wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:
My guess is some kind of licensing issue or some other background problem.

How do you see there being a potential licensing issue?

There's no way to say for certain since (as far as I'm aware) GW/FW don't talk about these things. However, just because they're cousin companies doesn't mean that that sculpts could be used interchangeably.

One thing could be if FW contracted out it's sculpting then GW would have to re-acquire the rights to those specific sculpts. This isn't without precedence as that's why we didn't have plastic Deffkoptas for ages. The ones in the Assault on Black Reach kit weren't designed by GW, so they weren't allowed to sell the kit outside of that specific set it was contracted for (or so I heard).

It's possible it could be as simple as them just taking years to re-design plastic version of them and wanting to make 100% sure all the FW stock gets sold first. It's hard to say.

They’re not ‘cousin companies’, FW is a department of GW. Nowadays they don’t even have separate online stores.

I’m also incredibly dubious there’s and rights issues with sculpts - GW have had rigid control of their IP and licensing agreements since the Malal fiasco in the 80s, and afaik all their sculpting is done in house.

Deffkopters not being sold separately will be because the sprues were mixed in with other units.

So, do other companies that are affiliated but owned separately.

Just going off what I'd heard, no idea if it was true or not (hence my note at the end).

 Tawnis wrote:

Lord Zarkov wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:
My guess is some kind of licensing issue or some other background problem.

How do you see there being a potential licensing issue?

There's no way to say for certain since (as far as I'm aware) GW/FW don't talk about these things. However, just because they're cousin companies doesn't mean that that sculpts could be used interchangeably.

One thing could be if FW contracted out it's sculpting then GW would have to re-acquire the rights to those specific sculpts. This isn't without precedence as that's why we didn't have plastic Deffkoptas for ages. The ones in the Assault on Black Reach kit weren't designed by GW, so they weren't allowed to sell the kit outside of that specific set it was contracted for (or so I heard).

It's possible it could be as simple as them just taking years to re-design plastic version of them and wanting to make 100% sure all the FW stock gets sold first. It's hard to say.

They’re not ‘cousin companies’, FW is a department of GW. Nowadays they don’t even have separate online stores.

I’m also incredibly dubious there’s and rights issues with sculpts - GW have had rigid control of their IP and licensing agreements since the Malal fiasco in the 80s, and afaik all their sculpting is done in house.

Deffkopters not being sold separately will be because the sprues were mixed in with other units.

So, do other companies that are affiliated but owned separately.

Just going off what I'd heard, no idea if it was true or not (hence my note at the end).

FW is not even a formal subsidiary, let alone owned separately. It’s just a department within the wider company (like BL).