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Teaser is lacking a hook beyond liking the characters involved, but it doesn't look particularly bad, just no real idea what its about.

 LunarSol wrote:
Teaser is lacking a hook beyond liking the characters involved, but it doesn't look particularly bad, just no real idea what its about.

I mean, the hook looks like the charaters people like have been sent on a fake mission to 1) kill each other and 2) kill the survivors and take them off the board. It's sort of flat out stated in the dialog. Someone is trying to kill them. They are going to find out who and kill them back.

What's the asterisk for?

 Geifer wrote:
What's the asterisk for?

No one knows. Marvel added it a few months ago and there's really no explanation for it yet.

Huh, alright then.

Maybe there is some major leading character they want to appear in it but want it to be a big reveal surprise. So they aren't in the trailers and aren't even in the title even if their name is going to be plastered all over it once a certain point is reached.

The one big reveal character so far is Bob. The Sentry.

Looks ok - so suicide squad like?

 Mr Morden wrote:
Looks ok - so suicide squad like?

I mean, modern Thunderbolts literally started as "criminals being let out to do jobs for the government with shock collars to disable them if they don't follow orders" so.... yes.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Looks ok - so suicide squad like?

I mean, modern Thunderbolts literally started as "criminals being let out to do jobs for the government with shock collars to disable them if they don't follow orders" so.... yes.

Fair enough - I had never heard of them so

I assumed it was Hydra Bob, out of Deadpool.

But I am wrong.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Looks ok - so suicide squad like?

I mean, modern Thunderbolts literally started as "criminals being let out to do jobs for the government with shock collars to disable them if they don't follow orders" so.... yes.

Fair enough - I had never heard of them so

They were originally a team of super villains pretending to be heroes. They later got rebooted during the Civil War era as a pretty overt lift of the Suicide Squad. They're not a very consistent concept really. Lots of different takes on the team, but usually some collection of morally grey characters.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Looks ok - so suicide squad like?

I mean, modern Thunderbolts literally started as "criminals being let out to do jobs for the government with shock collars to disable them if they don't follow orders" so.... yes.

Fair enough - I had never heard of them so

They were originally a team of super villains pretending to be heroes. They later got rebooted during the Civil War era as a pretty overt lift of the Suicide Squad. They're not a very consistent concept really. Lots of different takes on the team, but usually some collection of morally grey characters.

Ah - cool tnx

 LunarSol wrote:
it doesn't look particularly bad

That seems like high prise for Marvel these days.

But it really doesn't look bad. I seem to recall Winter Soldier being decent for like 80% of its run time, so if they can match that, it's going to be a small step for Mankind, but a great step for Disney.

Looks decent enough. As mediocre as Black Widow was, David Harbour and Florence Pugh were both pretty good in it, so more of them is a good start. Definitely looks more like a "filler" style movie than one dealing with whatever the next Marvel phase is supposed to be about now (I assume Doom).

Trailers really need to get over the slowed-down version of old pop song thing they've been doing for a while, though. It's starting to get annoying.

I don't understand the concept of "filler movies" with the MCU.

How many movies in Marvels phase 1-3 (23 total movies) dealt with the infinity saga?

Like... we could say something along the lines of

Phase 1 had:

Captain America had the cosmic Cube. Not that it was revealed to be the space stone yet.

Avengers had Loki as an agent of Thanos.


Phase 2:

Thor: The Dark World had the reality stone, though it wasn't revealed to be as such until the post credits.

GotG had the power stone and is about Thanos's hunt for the stones.

Age of Ultron had the Mind Stone. Isn't about the Mind Stone.


Phase 3:

Dr Strange reveals the Time Stone, isn't about the time stone.

Captain Marvel has the space stone, isn't really about the infinity saga.

Infinity War and End Game.


9 out of 23 movies over 13 years. 5 of those 9 just had cameos of artifacts that mattered to the over all plot or the artifacts were central to an entirely different plot with no individual direct plot points towards the broader story. 2 of them were the actual story the whole thing was building towards.

So the infinity saga was like 60% filler?

The big secret to the MCU has always been that the movies aren't really connected in their actual runtime. Almost all the continuity was handled in the post credit scenes. The only things you generally needed to see was either prior films in the same franchise or the tentpole Avengers films.

Civil War is probably the exception to this, which kind of turns Cap's films into a required viewing, probably more than anything stone related. Truthfully, part of why Infinity War works so well is just a result of it being where Thanos gets all the stones. Most of the setup, is about setting up the characters, so we can see how they react to a Thanos level threat.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I assumed it was Hydra Bob, out of Deadpool.

But I am wrong.

Same.

I thought it said Thunderbirds, so imagine my disappointment.

This season's trailer format is trash also but at least we're out of that season where every trailer opened on a desert with just single notes on a piano playing?

Looks like a perfectly cromulent streaming movie.

 AduroT wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I assumed it was Hydra Bob, out of Deadpool.

But I am wrong.

Same.

If it were Bob, Agent of Hydra, why would he be in a film set in the Earth-616 universe instead of Deadpool's Earth-10005 universe? Besides, The Sentry (aka Robert "Bob" Reynolds) being in the film wasn't exactly a secret.

 Ghaz wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I assumed it was Hydra Bob, out of Deadpool.

But I am wrong.

Same.

If it were Bob, Agent of Hydra, why would he be in a film set in the Earth-616 universe instead of Deadpool's Earth-10005 universe? Besides, The Sentry (aka Robert "Bob" Reynolds) being in the film wasn't exactly a secret.

I’ve paid attention to like no news from this movie other than I think one posting showing off members of the team from I don’t remember how long ago. Also I’m not sure I even know who Sentry Bob. I just saw a normal looking guy in the trailer call himself Bob and thought “Bob Bob? The Bob? Weird if that’s Bob in This movie and not Deadpool.”

To be fair, Hydra Bob is in the first Deadpool film, during the finale. Pretty sure he doesn’t survive it though!

 AduroT wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I assumed it was Hydra Bob, out of Deadpool.

But I am wrong.

Same.

If it were Bob, Agent of Hydra, why would he be in a film set in the Earth-616 universe instead of Deadpool's Earth-10005 universe? Besides, The Sentry (aka Robert "Bob" Reynolds) being in the film wasn't exactly a secret.

I’ve paid attention to like no news from this movie other than I think one posting showing off members of the team from I don’t remember how long ago. Also I’m not sure I even know who Sentry Bob. I just saw a normal looking guy in the trailer call himself Bob and thought “Bob Bob? The Bob? Weird if that’s Bob in This movie and not Deadpool.”

The Sentry was originally going to be played by Steven Yeun until the SAG-AFTRA strike caused scheduling problems. The character's background has him (and the whole world) 'forgetting' he was the Sentry and using his real name Bob (the diminutive of his first name 'Robert') Reynolds. He was created in 2000 and seems to have been used regularly by Marvel since then.

The movie looks fun. That's all I require. Leaning into the likability of Pugh and Harbour is a good call. I think Bucky and evil cap will fit well as foils to them thematicallly. Overall pretty excited for it. Doesn't seem to take itself to seriously.

 Hulksmash wrote:
The movie looks fun. That's all I require. Leaning into the likability of Pugh and Harbour is a good call. I think Bucky and evil cap will fit well as foils to them thematicallly. Overall pretty excited for it. Doesn't seem to take itself to seriously.

I’m pretty much the same, looking forward to it

Yup, this looks fun, and it helps that we've already had setups for almost all of the characters involved, so they can just get on with the movie.

Also, poster is here for those who care about such things. Sadly spoilt by overly digitally-processed execution, but a cool twist on the usual 'pile of faces' movie poster concept, given the characters involved.

Seeing The Falcon and the Winter Soldier looks like it's going to be very beneficial to this movie, much like Wandavision was almost a prerequisite for Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. I've seen both shows, but it's kind of unfortunate that those who don't want to pay for Disney+ just won't have that added context, which (at least for the aforementioned Dr. Strange movie) very much helped with setting up at least one of the main characters and their motivations.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Seeing The Falcon and the Winter Soldier looks like it's going to be very beneficial to this movie, much like Wandavision was almost a prerequisite for Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. I've seen both shows, but it's kind of unfortunate that those who don't want to pay for Disney+ just won't have that added context, which (at least for the aforementioned Dr. Strange movie) very much helped with setting up at least one of the main characters and their motivations.

Mostly the kids though even that is pretty heavily explained in film and in a lot of ways the heel turn is a more natural extension of Endgame than WandaVision.

The original script for MoM is funny. A lot of people are mad we didn't get it because Wanda is handled a bit better in it..... but everything else is handled so much worse.