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 ingtaer wrote:
Great effort guys and girls, not bad at all for 11 players! Lets see if we can double that next time round.

Fantastic!

That is such a fantastic result. Many thanks to everyone that attended, helped out and contributed to that total!




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 General Kroll wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pics are giving me warm and fuzzy classic WD feelings.

If it weren’t for all the (brilliant) third party terrain and models, I’d say this event and its pics would be worthy of WD. Sadly I don’t think it’d pass their editorial guidelines. .

I had contacted WD about the event and if they would be interested in covering or a mention in the mag, didn't even get a response which I thought was a great shame.

That's an awesome result, well done everyone!

Nice work all! Sorry I could not be there, but the whole Atlantic Ocean thing......

Anyway, if you still need some Certs designed, let me know and I can put some together. Think I read they were all sorted though.

Great work on raising some money for a good cause!

Lads! Lads! And Lasses! And Those Who Are Yet To Decide! And everyone in between!

I has a brilliant idea for raffle prizes.

Headed back to WHW on Sunday, the last day of its Store Anniversary. Which means Exclusives. A bunch of which I’ve picked up.

Models wot can go for silly money thanks to scalpers.

A selection of those. Maybe £100 or so out my sky rocket, but a tempting temptation for raffle prizes.

 Pacific wrote:
That is such a fantastic result. Many thanks to everyone that attended, helped out and contributed to that total!




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 General Kroll wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pics are giving me warm and fuzzy classic WD feelings.

If it weren’t for all the (brilliant) third party terrain and models, I’d say this event and its pics would be worthy of WD. Sadly I don’t think it’d pass their editorial guidelines. .

I had contacted WD about the event and if they would be interested in covering or a mention in the mag, didn't even get a response which I thought was a great shame.

Yeah that’s a shame that there was no response.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Lads! Lads! And Lasses! And Those Who Are Yet To Decide! And everyone in between!

I has a brilliant idea for raffle prizes.

Headed back to WHW on Sunday, the last day of its Store Anniversary. Which means Exclusives. A bunch of which I’ve picked up.

Models wot can go for silly money thanks to scalpers.

A selection of those. Maybe £100 or so out my sky rocket, but a tempting temptation for raffle prizes.

That’s a great idea.

Well, it’s a good start!

Got two more The Steel Rook today, so those can be offered up. Also a second “Life Signs Terminated”, which is that fancy Space Hulk themed Genestealer for the Store Anniversry.

I’ll PM Ingtaer to worry about specifics, as raffles are, legally and entirely correctly, a form of gambling. And so need a Proper Think.

That's awesome Mad Doc!

Raffle wise, it's really not too much of a nause as long as it's for charitable causes - I've been involved with a few for the youth group I help run. Other than it must have physical tickets there really isn't too much to worry about.

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/public-and-players/guide/page/how-to-run-a-fundraiser-with-lotteries-or-raffles-at-events

Oh…

So. Folkestone Old High Street now has a comic shop. A comic shop with a modest Warhammer Stock.

I swear, I only went in for glue. But look at the win I bagged. Yes, one is earmarked for a suitable Charidee Raffle.

Sad to report that Paul passed away yesterday.

Sad news.

Very sad news, RIP Paul and thoughts to his family & friends left behind.

Thanks again to everyone that attended or contributed in some way to the event.

Condolences to the family.

It is very early days yet for an event next year, but what are people's thoughts for the format going forward?

Really enjoyed the day and hopefully the attendees did too, and it was great to raise that money for a good cause, but I have to be honest the attendance was not what we were hoping. Considering Firestorm is one of the busiest gaming centres in the UK (I believe they had had an event the weekend before with 100+ attendees), ticket price was very reasonable (with an attendance gift & prizes), it was for an excellent cause and we had absolutely hammered advertising for months leading up to it on social media and forums, I think we should have expected more. A fair few of the people attending were those that Ingtaer and I dragged along on the day!

My thoughts are that the limiting factor might be that Legions Imperialis is not ideal for this sort of day event - it doesn't seem to have yet picked up a tounament community in the same way as Age of Darkness has (anecdotally, another event I know of had 8 attendees which I think is the same as we managed for the game on the day, so it isn't just us!) and people are perhaps playing at home or game club nights instead?
It is not the best sign when an Armageddon event which was an hour down the road in Bristol managed a sell-out with double the attendance, for a game that has been out of production for 20+ years. But perhaps the key point there is I think they have that core community of tournament/event players which turn up for them.

My thoughts on some options for a future Bac-Con event:
- Make it a much more open just 'day of games'. No narrative event or specified format, but keep the charity donations and raffle, could still have 'best painted' and 'sportsmanship awards'.
- Some sort of 'Oldhammer' games day. Perhaps open to a selection of oldhammer war and boardgames, or we focus on one each year and cycle between them each year? You could then tap into some of the other Oldhammer groups (FSG have a bunch of people that turn up to play previous WHFB editions for example) and that could help attendance. There is also an upward trend in popularity of Oldhammer, and would fit nicely with the remembrance of Paul.
- Keep it as an 'Epic games' day but include other Epic versions as well as Legions Imperialis? Might help pull in some of the other Oldhammer Epic groups.

The downside there is it means we potentially wouldn't have the narrative and campaign games as we had for Rynd's World, as it would be difficult to write something that would include 3 or 4 gaming systems.

Any thoughts much appreciated!

Definitely an Open Games Day.

Maybe even open it up to older editions as exhibition matches. For instance, I’ve now a complete set of 2nd Ed books, and the modern models work pretty much fine. An exhibition match or two, honouring Paul Sawyer’s sterling efforts in 2nd Ed’s glory days seems appropriate.

It could work as a take-all-comers type thing, but would require anyone wanting to do a bit of 2nd Ed to have read and digested the rules first?

I'm conscious that this post COULD sound negative - it isn't intended that way.

I thought about coming when it was announced. For me, Epic made it a no. Great as the venue looked, again, for me, a significant distance, and either 1 or 2 overnights. I fully accept this won't be a barrier for others.

40k is Paul Sawyer as much as Epic (in my GW view) and some form of round robin leagues in a day would be more appealing. I'm also fully aware that a host of different options are available with many different preferences. I'm glad everyone had a good time and that the donations remember Paul in a positive way.

I would say do not change, as these type of events need to build momentum year-after-year. The first one you should be happy if anyone turns up. Once you get to the 3-5th annual is when you start to have repeat business and word-of-mouth growth.

If you changed anything, perhaps a Oldhammer/Warhammer 40k using 5th edition (or maybe even older, I don't recall the edition he was mostly the editor of White Dwarf for) to celebrate his contribution to wargaming? I am not aware of him having much of a connection to Legions Imperialis.

Well as can be seen by the poll in the first post this was never designed to be an LI event, it was open to all games and a quarter of the attendees were playing 40k. It is just that the active conversation and most of the advertising were done for LI for various reasons.

Ingtaer I think initially MDG had come up with the idea for a tribute event for Paul down in the Epic/Legions section of the forum and so that started the ball rolling and evolved from there.

But definitely I think broadening the appeal for next time might work well.

@Stroller - thanks a lot for the feedback. That's a good point about the location of Firestorm and I know a few people from the Epic community that didn't attend voiced similar concerns, unless you are in the west or south-west of the UK its a long trip and possibly an overnighter.

Hopefully as Easy E has said even having a modest attendance is a good start and we can build on that for coming events and if it becomes a yearly thing.

MDG - I really like the idea of some sort of presentation game of Oldhammer 40k. I actually tried one at Firestorm a few years ago for old Epic and had a pretty good turnout. There is also a growing community of Oldhammer 40k events (I have seen them both for 2nd and 3rd edition) that perhaps we could tap into.

At the moment I'm thinking perhaps have a wide umbrella covering Oldhammer of whichever game, perhaps a combination of presentation games or even mini tournament if enough are playing one system? All under the 'Bac-Con' name, and of course bacon-themed narrative created for whichever game people are playing But we have a lot of time to organise and think of ideas, please post below and we can go from there!

Also?

As the Loot Meister Öber Goon? I’m quietly building quite the stockpile of rare, in-box and still shrink wrapped minis, ready for a Bac-con related raffle.

So when the next event goes ahead? Hopefully such offerings will help attract extra donations.

I do need to look into the licensing and ratifying and that of an online and offline raffle draw. Because being genuinely legit is important.


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Also, maybe we can tap up suiting YouTube Channels, like Olden Demon to help spread the word and that?

Pacific - that sounds good! Whilst I'd be willing to play LI again (talk about damned by faint praise... ), I think the "Oldhammer" branding is a pretty great idea. I'd definitely be more keen to do some older Epic (not that I have any experience with that) or an old edition of 40k (3rd for me!) or maybe even dust off some BFG... Nice opportunities for a mix of exhibition/participation games and/or narrative event style tournament rounds.

Even if people are playing different game systems, it probably wouldn't be too hard to have a loose over-arching narrative for 40k, 30k and Fantasy I guess? I always liked the idea of a combined narrative event covering BFG through Epic to 40k, etc...!


And awesome work MDG - that will surely draw extra interest! As I put with a link above, as long as you're just doing offline (e.g. at the event) it's honestly very straight forward to do a charity raffle. Probably trickier if you want to do it online though, not something I've had experience with unfortunately.

I could certainly be down for a grog revenge event (BFG, Epic the proper, WHFB 6th...) but I sincerely doubt it would do any better on attendance or fund raising than the last event.

If various people are keen I am thinking a mini event at Bristol's BIG in a few months time could be good, nothing major but maybe a game of LI and BFG? Or whatever takes peoples fancy.

If I could make a mild request that it was somewhere in the middle of the country for a follow up and I could maybe attend

I'd also cast my vote for some sort of 3rd edition 40k event or 6th Fantasy. They being the style of the time during Paul's editorialship.