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Because he is not currently using it

Chikout wrote:I'm surprised this thread isn't moving faster. This lends credence to all the rumours Valrak has shared. I'm extremely excited about the prospect of finally seeing a full set of plastic aspect warriors, not to mention a brand new phoenix lord. It wasn't that long ago that we were speculating about which aspects would get cut or become dual kits. Baharroth was always my favourite. I hope he gets as good an update as Fuegan.

To be fair most of us expected Eldar to get plastic aspect warrior kits for all the aspects along with phoenix lords. It was more a question of when, made worse by the fact that some (eg Warp Spiders) are still using their first generation (or 2nd) of models sculpts.

Iracundus wrote:Why is he holding his Fire Axe so close to the head? Defeats the whole purpose of having a long haft.

Probably to make the part more practical and less prone to damage. Having a long haft with a big chunky head on the end makes it ideal for snapping when cleaning/painting/playing/transporting. So holding it half way removes a huge weakpoint.

Looks nice. GW should show good taste like that a lot more when they update old characters.

 Overread wrote:

Iracundus wrote:Why is he holding his Fire Axe so close to the head? Defeats the whole purpose of having a long haft.

Probably to make the part more practical and less prone to damage. Having a long haft with a big chunky head on the end makes it ideal for snapping when cleaning/painting/playing/transporting. So holding it half way removes a huge weakpoint.

GW hasn't really been concerned about spindly and impractical details for the better part of two decades. I'm more inclined to believe that the sculptor realized that holding the axe close to its head is simply more comfortable when you're posing for the cover of Playeldar.

Vorian wrote:
Because he is not currently using it

Yeah, exactly! If you carry around your axe at the end of the shaft all the time, it gets super heavy. So its quite natural to hold it closer to the center of mass when your're not using it. its actually quite the nice design.

Waaaghbert wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Because he is not currently using it

Yeah, exactly! If you carry around your axe at the end of the shaft all the time, it gets super heavy. So its quite natural to hold it closer to the center of mass when your're not using it. its actually quite the nice design.

Which shows that Fuegan is strutting and posing rather than being in the moment right after striking down that Chaos Space Marine.

Kind of wonder how Fuegan fights with the Fire Axe while holding his Firepike Searsong. Does he still carry it or detach it and pick it up later? Looks a bit unwieldy if he is carrying it while swinging the Axe and using the Searsong to block blows surely would risk damaging it?

The new model keeps the design very close to the classic sculpt. Its interesting what they did with the banner, should be easier to just paint it.

I forgot the original had an axe. I wonder if Gareth Nicholas designed this https://garethnicholasblog.wordpress.com/2021/02/02/fuegan-part-1-sculpting/

Iracundus wrote:
Kind of wonder how Fuegan fights with the Fire Axe while holding his Firepike Searsong. Does he still carry it or detach it and pick it up later? Looks a bit unwieldy if he is carrying it while swinging the Axe and using the Searsong to block blows surely would risk damaging it?

I don't think anyone with the inhuman grace of a Phoenix Lord would be hampered by something as mundane as an unwieldy size weapon. Hell, they all manage to fight with massive helmets on their heads!

Surprised GW haven't put out an article already. They're usually quick when stuff like this leaks.

will probably be out on Monday, if i had to guess

Fuegan – A Phoenix Lord reborn


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a minute later... masterful prediction on my part

seeing proper pictures only makes this model feel better. hopefully a portent of what the rest of the phoenix lords will look like

They really mention Ynarri a lot in the article. We've had a ton of eldar rumours, but none that deal with Ynarri... It feels weird spinning up their lore if there's nothing being done with them this edition.

Eh they also mention Exodites a fair bit when they get the chance and they've not made a model for them since the 80s/early 90s (even then I think it was only in Epic that got a single model).

Yinnari got "stuck" being "new army" with only 3 models and then the bits from 2 other armies where 1 was Craftworld and basically untouched in years.

Guess its just me, but that gun looks unconviniently long. Will this model fit inside single story buildings?

the pose also reminds me of the old metal minis, which often imitated Egyptian hieroglyphics. Kinda stiff by modern standards

Could be worse I guess

This model looks fantastic. Good think he is one of the originals I don't already own, so definitely picking him up

 PenitentJake wrote:
They really mention Ynarri a lot in the article. We've had a ton of eldar rumours, but none that deal with Ynarri... It feels weird spinning up their lore if there's nothing being done with them this edition.

Given Ynnead can seemingly grant life? Could be a Lore change where all the Phoenix Lords gather, die in battle, join with Ynnead, and are then shoved back in their armour, as the Original Article Phoenix Lords, and essentially make Ynnead a warp based Infinity Circuit, granting a form of immortality.

 Hellebore wrote:
Looks fantastic. Now if only they'd actually have the rules that show their demigod of war status.

T3... In 2nd ed Karandras and Maugan were T6!

The current rules don't play nicely with mixed toughnesses...

The memo clearly went out that you don't take risks on updating Jes Goodwin's 4th Edition Aspect Warriors, and that may now have spread to the 2nd Edition Phoenix Lords too. It's fine, great even. It's exactly what you would expect an update of Fuegan to current processes to be. Don't mess with the classics. Can't have been a labour of love to sculpt, though.

I'm interested to see new Hawks and Spiders as JG never got to revisit those for 4th. The Dragons, well, I think I know what those will look like.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 PenitentJake wrote:
They really mention Ynarri a lot in the article. We've had a ton of eldar rumours, but none that deal with Ynarri... It feels weird spinning up their lore if there's nothing being done with them this edition.

Given Ynnead can seemingly grant life? Could be a Lore change where all the Phoenix Lords gather, die in battle, join with Ynnead, and are then shoved back in their armour, as the Original Article Phoenix Lords, and essentially make Ynnead a warp based Infinity Circuit, granting a form of immortality.

A "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" scenario. If you miss the fringe campaign book with the monumental lore change, you simply wont notice anything changed. Classic xeno lore treatment.

Iracundus wrote:
Why is he holding his Fire Axe so close to the head? Defeats the whole purpose of having a long haft.

Perhaps that is just his "general carry" pose, as he's looking like he's surveying the battlefield with his gun up in the air like that. Carrying an ax close to the head is a lot easier on your wrist.

 cuda1179 wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Why is he holding his Fire Axe so close to the head? Defeats the whole purpose of having a long haft.

Perhaps that is just his "general carry" pose, as he's looking like he's surveying the battlefield with his gun up in the air like that. Carrying an ax close to the head is a lot easier on your wrist.

The mounted stormcast lord in the new starter box is holding his axe at the end of the shaft in an awkward swing while the rest of him is static posing. I would say Fuegan come out on top here.

 PenitentJake wrote:
They really mention Ynarri a lot in the article. We've had a ton of eldar rumours, but none that deal with Ynarri... It feels weird spinning up their lore if there's nothing being done with them this edition.

That's been their theme for 4 editions now

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 PenitentJake wrote:
They really mention Ynarri a lot in the article. We've had a ton of eldar rumours, but none that deal with Ynarri... It feels weird spinning up their lore if there's nothing being done with them this edition.

That's been their theme for 4 editions now

Yeah, Ynnari was a half-baked idea that they had a poor execution of and now they've written themselves into a corner in terms of their "defeat Slaanesh" macguffin, so they're more less in stasis lore-wise. They should have just committed it to being it's own full subfaction in terms of models rather than the pseudo Eldar soup they are right now. Would have been cool to see units tying in more to Ynnead and new aspects and eldar specialists reflecting his aspect of being a death god.

 tauist wrote:
Guess its just me, but that gun looks unconviniently long. Will this model fit inside single story buildings?

There is a reason that GW buildings have gone from 3" floors to 5"ish floors for 40K

 Fayric wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 PenitentJake wrote:
They really mention Ynarri a lot in the article. We've had a ton of eldar rumours, but none that deal with Ynarri... It feels weird spinning up their lore if there's nothing being done with them this edition.

Given Ynnead can seemingly grant life? Could be a Lore change where all the Phoenix Lords gather, die in battle, join with Ynnead, and are then shoved back in their armour, as the Original Article Phoenix Lords, and essentially make Ynnead a warp based Infinity Circuit, granting a form of immortality.

A "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" scenario. If you miss the fringe campaign book with the monumental lore change, you simply wont notice anything changed. Classic xeno lore treatment.

If only all "lore" changes were so ignorable.

I have this sense that the Ynnari were originally intended to be the start of something huge - probably putting both Aeldari and Drukhari ranges out to pasture like Firstborn Marines - but that they pulled back from it. It was the same set of books that had the lore changes that set up Primaris, after all.

twoseventwo wrote:
I have this sense that the Ynnari were originally intended to be the start of something huge - probably putting both Aeldari and Drukhari ranges out to pasture like Firstborn Marines - but that they pulled back from it. It was the same set of books that had the lore changes that set up Primaris, after all.

I feel like it was born of a time when GW management under Kirby was starting to buckle on sane ideas (from the perspective of the customer). We had Yinnari, a new army with only 3 models (one box at the time) which was a mashup of two other armies. Then we had Primaris which were the new model of marines released alongside rather than replacing regular marines. This was just out of the back of the edition where paint colours were almost becoming a thing that enforced what army you played your models as (esp for marines).


I did get a sort of feeling that they were doubling down on Marine profits and perhaps Eldar weren't doing so grand so instead of upgrade the Craftworld they kind of thought they could mash the Eldar all into one mega-army and they'd get loads of extra purchases from people who had one half, now buying the other.


Since then GW doesn't seem to really know what to do with Yinnari. It's out there, but at the same time its not really developed into anything. It might be that its just an idea waiting for a bulky "new edition launch" boxed set release to give Eldar a huge leg-up to have a huge injection of new models to make it work. So along the way they are updating Craftworld because they basically can't get away with not updating them now. It was surprising to see both Necron and Tyranid get big chunky updates, well worth it for those ranges, but neither one was really hurting for new models in quite the same way as Craftworld.

twoseventwo wrote:
I have this sense that the Ynnari were originally intended to be the start of something huge...

See I don't think that is the case, at least in terms of model releases anyway. I believe the overall goal of writing Ynnari was two-fold:
1) Do something fresh with the Eldar background material after it has sat largely idle for decades.
2) Provide a new mechanism for players to cherrypick from the Craftworld, Harlequin, and DE model ranges and increase sales.
That's all.

To that end Ynnari got a bare-minimum model release, and GW continued with their plans to refresh existing Eldar units and eliminate resin kits.

What GW can still do is this:

The Ynnari becomes a way to gradually introduce other Eldar factions piecemeal. For example, it has been mentioned that young Exodites have been more attracted to the Ynnari cause compared to their elders, so GW could introduce a few Exodites first via the Ynnari before eventually considering whether to do an entirely separate Exodite faction. That way they wouldn't have to have a huge initial investment into starting up a new faction like the Leagues of Votann.