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 Flinty wrote:
If I collected Space Wolves, it would let me relive the halcyon He-Man days of my youth.

Does Ragnar Blackmane have a twin sister and defender of the Crystal Castle? I need that army.

Blue plastic bubble terminators from the original space hulk.

I'm sure that someone had already brought up Spider-Man villain Stilt Man, the AdMeh Sniper.

But can someone explain the fluff or reasoning why.... just why.

 Hellebore wrote:
Pet wolves had always been there, and yet somehow rather than the sensible 'grizzled veteran with his megawolf pet' unit idea, we got half tonne marines riding oversized canines who are biomechanically virtually unridable. Even a bear would have been easier to believe.

Yeah it's one of those cases where the monstrous mount actually looks less dangerous with the rider than if it was just the creature by itself. Because now the creature can't move with agility and the rider can't effectively fight without being thrown.

Would you rather fight a heavyweight boxer or a heavyweight boxer who also has a midget sitting on his shoulders and he isn't allowed to drop him?

It would look less silly to put the wolves in armor and have a guy riding a bike leading them. At least then the wolves could fight normally.

 Hellebore wrote:
Of the modern marines I'll echo others here - the mario cart and nerf gun rockets are terrible. The rockets especially look so badly put together like they were random bits stuck on a model. I'm also not a fan of the inceptor designs at all. And although the concept is naff, the suppressor autocannon unit actually designwise looks the least ridiculous of the inceptor designs. It's more coherent, they're holding the guns with two hands. The akimbo blaster with shield brick units though look really dumb.

I have to say, I'm not as fan of Primaris weapon design in general, which really leaned into the 'bigger is better' aesthetic and wind up looking less imposing as a result. Regular Primaris Marines look considerably better with regular boltguns instead of the ridiculously large rifles they got instead. Ditto for the Primarisized plasma guns and other special weapons.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I'm sure that someone had already brought up Spider-Man villain Stilt Man, the AdMeh Sniper.

But can someone explain the fluff or reasoning why.... just why.

People have a natural tendency to not look up - they are more likely to look around at eye level or below. So Stilt Guy is practically invisible...

 Daia T'Nara wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
If I collected Space Wolves, it would let me relive the halcyon He-Man days of my youth.

Does Ragnar Blackmane have a twin sister and defender of the Crystal Castle? I need that army.

He should.

I guess you could say the Silent King was the dumbest... eh? eh? *nudge*

 Cap'n Facebeard wrote:
I guess you could say the Silent King was the dumbest... eh? eh? *nudge*

Or the sisters of silence -wink-

Touche

Oh I'd forgotten about suppressors. I know it's handwaved away, but I can't help but imagine them bouncing all over the place from the recoil.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I'm sure that someone had already brought up Spider-Man villain Stilt Man, the AdMeh Sniper.

But can someone explain the fluff or reasoning why.... just why.

What if there's no convenient tower around for a sniper to get a vantage point from? Stilt Man has got it covered!

Jokaero weaponsmith. The Imperium hates xenos but lets orangutan aliens dabble with their weapons. And the models are also stupid.

 Hotzenplotz wrote:
Jokaero weaponsmith. The Imperium hates xenos but lets orangutan aliens dabble with their weapons.

The Imperium is highly Xenophobic unless they can make use of you
Heck they had Eldar help fix the Golden Throne. You can't get closer to the heart of the Imperium than that.


Their Xenophobia is basically generations of fear and mantra after bad experiences. It's the same as their fear of AI.
Those at the upper reaches are either fully entrenched in rhetoric and fear; or they are a touch more open minded having seen more of the universe and all.



Heck loads of systems and governors and private firms will trade with Xenos and get xenotech. Highly illegal, but it happens

 Hellebore wrote:

EDIT: As for the wulfen, the concept had been around since 2nd ed, and I've no problem with the idea at all, they're space wolf death company effectively. But the current plastics are gak and I much prefer the more beastman influenced design of 3rd ed.

I loved the eye of terror campaign 13th company guys. Hard core of veterans left with a neat spin of regular space wolves units and fun easy conversions using CSM equipment parts.

 Overread wrote:

 Hotzenplotz wrote:
Jokaero weaponsmith. The Imperium hates xenos but lets orangutan aliens dabble with their weapons.

The Imperium is highly Xenophobic unless they can make use of you
Heck they had Eldar help fix the Golden Throne. You can't get closer to the heart of the Imperium than that.


Their Xenophobia is basically generations of fear and mantra after bad experiences. It's the same as their fear of AI.
Those at the upper reaches are either fully entrenched in rhetoric and fear; or they are a touch more open minded having seen more of the universe and all.



Heck loads of systems and governors and private firms will trade with Xenos and get xenotech. Highly illegal, but it happens

really, the issue is that Jokaero are an ancient plot thread that never really got followed up on. the imperium is willing to work with xenos to serve its own end... and jokaero are the only example of that being widespread. there could be more like this! more weird random stuff that they claim as exceptions because it's useful

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Hotzenplotz wrote:
Jokaero weaponsmith. The Imperium hates xenos but lets orangutan aliens dabble with their weapons.

The Imperium is highly Xenophobic unless they can make use of you
Heck they had Eldar help fix the Golden Throne. You can't get closer to the heart of the Imperium than that.


Their Xenophobia is basically generations of fear and mantra after bad experiences. It's the same as their fear of AI.
Those at the upper reaches are either fully entrenched in rhetoric and fear; or they are a touch more open minded having seen more of the universe and all.



Heck loads of systems and governors and private firms will trade with Xenos and get xenotech. Highly illegal, but it happens

really, the issue is that Jokaero are an ancient plot thread that never really got followed up on. the imperium is willing to work with xenos to serve its own end... and jokaero are the only example of that being widespread. there could be more like this! more weird random stuff that they claim as exceptions because it's useful

And to be fair the whole of the Rogue Traders on the fringe of the Imperium already supports this. We saw it in the Blackstone Fortress game and who knows perhaps we'll see it again in time. I kind of get the feeling GW could mess with a Rogue Traders game in miniature form one day.

Models based on the Rogue Trader video game might be nice!

 Hotzenplotz wrote:
Jokaero weaponsmith. The Imperium hates xenos but lets orangutan aliens dabble with their weapons. And the models are also stupid.

Heresy, I say! Heresy!

I mean you can go back and look at lots, and I mean lots, of bad sculpts from the early days. But as for just dumb model, dumb concept and dumb rules it has to be the mutilators. Slow moving CC specialists in an army filled with CC units and the models looked horrible. I actually don't think the old obliterators look that bad, it is just something with the mutilators and their dumb "claws" and faces.

Probably not a popular take, but I HATE that Tyranid biological guns are like.... guns that grow out of them but are held in their hand and attached via a tube and all that. It's not the biggest model crime in the game by a long shot, but it consistently bothers me.

 LunarSol wrote:
Probably not a popular take, but I HATE that Tyranid biological guns are like.... guns that grow out of them but are held in their hand and attached via a tube and all that. It's not the biggest model crime in the game by a long shot, but it consistently bothers me.

What's fun is if you look at early Tyranids they mostly hold their weapons and have maybe one connecting tube. Modern Tyranids there's a LOT more fusion of arm to gun.

Also the Termagaunt standard gun has a magazine under it.

It's freaky to think that the Tyranids are living weapons that also breed living weapons to hold in battle. Personally I love it because it adds another layer of mystery to the Tyranids as to why they do that. It adds to their totally alien behaviour.

I think it is purely functional. Fully intergrated weapons have limited degrees of movement and volume issues, meaning they are either underpowered or require the entire creature being redesigned to accomodate them.

Not a 40k unit but the Ground Eldar Sky Cutter deserves a mention.

A flying Ground Eldar Boat powered by Fairy Dust I can see. But somehow seeing it towed by eagles just ruins it. Came out around the same time as Santa Logan too.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Not a 40k unit but the Ground Eldar Sky Cutter deserves a mention.

A flying Ground Eldar Boat powered by Fairy Dust I can see. But somehow seeing it towed by eagles just ruins it. Came out around the same time as Santa Logan too.

It's another case of "wow I'm sure glad that the giant eagle attacking me has that boat tied to its back forcing it to awkwardly flop around instead of just swooping down and killing me".

I love the skycutter! My only issue with it is similar to aircraft in 40K in that its basically a unit that wants to constantly keep moving and strafe but 40K scales don't really let you do that with a model that big. In a warmaster game or such it would be best as a strafing air unit.

I like to image Celestine having to walk like a crab everywhere, since her ridiculous wings make going through doors forwards impossible.

Oh you sweet summer children with ribbons in your hair.

The Original Dark Eldar Line

Specifically the original Archon, warriors and Grotesques.

The vehicles were pretty naff and all.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh you sweet summer children with ribbons in your hair.

The Original Dark Eldar Line

Specifically the original Archon, warriors and Grotesques.

The vehicles were pretty naff and all.

(hides under bed with 90s flashback)

I'm not going to post the photo of it, because I'm not that much of an but I got a nasty puncture wound on the bottom of my foot from chasing a dog and stepping on an old pewter dark Eldar, that was my roommates.

I don't think the hospital returned it.

 RaptorusRex wrote:

 Hotzenplotz wrote:
Jokaero weaponsmith. The Imperium hates xenos but lets orangutan aliens dabble with their weapons. And the models are also stupid.

Heresy, I say! Heresy!

You mean the fact that the Imperium collaborates with the monkey aliens, or my opinion?