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 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
II keep trying to figure out how IKs fight infantry... you know, without riverdancing on their heads.

This seems akin to asking how a battleship fights infantry.

Isn't this how Battleships fight infantry?

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I don't know why, but for some reason I was expecting this:

Well, how does someone reap corn?

We’re typically much taller than corn, yeah? But we have these handy things called joints, which allow us to flex and fold and that.

Same with a Knight. Don’t have to be too fancy with your moves, because any infantry hit by your stopping swing probably isn’t gonna be around to tell the tale. Even a relatively glancing blow is gonna make a horrific mess.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I have to add one thing that I want to fix on the Imperial Knights..
The chains word arm... does it look a tad short to anyone else?

I keep trying to figure out how IKs fight infantry... you know, without riverdancing on their heads.

I've always assumed it was via a low sweep.

 Hellebore wrote:

 Cap'n Facebeard wrote:
Personally I only like the old box dreads. Even the contemptor just looks out of place to me.

I like them, I just wish they had proper knees. Add knees to classic box dreads and I'm happy.

You know, I looked closely at mine because of this comment and guess what?

They have knees! There's a little sceondary joint at the top of the lower leg armor plate. It may be clearer on the plastic model, butvI think the implication is therr in the metal ones, iirc.

Boxnought? More like Bestnought.

 Insectum7 wrote:
In defense of the Chaos Spawn kit, it's got a TON of great bits for designing Spawn or swapping and adding nasty bits to your other chaos models. Back in 7th and 8th I often ran a few squads of them, and I managed to grab a Tide Of Spawn box off ebay. I combined them with some of the metal Spawn I already had to get variation. The metal Spawn model was nice, but you run a few of those and they get repeat-y real fast. Here's a sample of finished ones:



I also like how fast the plastic ones can look. The metal ones look pretty encubered, but the long legs of the plastics make it look like they could be very hard to get away from.

They look amazing!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, how does someone reap corn?

We’re typically much taller than corn, yeah? But we have these handy things called joints, which allow us to flex and fold and that.

Same with a Knight. Don’t have to be too fancy with your moves, because any infantry hit by your stopping swing probably isn’t gonna be around to tell the tale. Even a relatively glancing blow is gonna make a horrific mess.

How tall are you? Corn typically grows 9 to 12/13 feet... there's some hybrid stuff that's only 7 feet.

But to me, the chainsword arm just feels short.... The gauntlet just feels and looks better to me.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
But to me, the chainsword arm just feels short....

I always felt this about the Ork Stompas' chainsaw weapons. They have to pull up next to something and give them a 'broadside' swipe, as the chainblade can't reach in front of them.

I wonder if there is an online seller of arm extenders.

That's what stomping is for.

The feet are for infantry, the held weapons are for enemy vehicles.

Trying to bend over and hit a grot with your mega chainsword is just silly.

A.T. wrote:
In terms of building... i've never seen a metal exorcist kit that wasn't bent out of shape, though the penitent engines were worse if you didn't have a pinning drill with their top heavy design and terrible terrible joints.

GW's larger, multi-part metal models were fairly universally awful. Cast parts warp while cooling, and the bigger the part, the more prone to warping and the harder to fix.

Some of the old boxnaughts were ok, as they mostly slotted together with a basic pin-and-hole system, although the front armour could be a pain. But other than that, anything dreadnought sized or larger was best avoided in metal.

 Hellebore wrote:
the held weapons are for enemy vehicles. Trying to bend over and hit a grot with your mega chainsword is just silly.

But its so impractical even against vehicles My Stompa would have to pull up alongside an enemy tank, on the correct side, to swipe at it. Forget fighting anything like an Imperial Knight or Wraithknight, they could just walk out of the arc of the blade.

Maybe you could make a hand to hold the chainblades.

 Cap'n Facebeard wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
the held weapons are for enemy vehicles. Trying to bend over and hit a grot with your mega chainsword is just silly.

But its so impractical even against vehicles My Stompa would have to pull up alongside an enemy tank, on the correct side, to swipe at it. Forget fighting anything like an Imperial Knight or Wraithknight, they could just walk out of the arc of the blade.

I think the Stompa is a standout for being a particularly impractical design. The Imperial and Eldar arms look a bit more capable of a swing.

You're just not thinkin right!

See orks know what's what in close combat. They see those Eldar and Imperial knights with their thin legs, bodies and arms and all they can see is that one good chop and they just fall apart!
Ork Stompa's are brawlers. Sure you gotta get close to hit anything with the chainsword; but that's the same for the Imperial and Eldar ones too. Only the Stompa can take a chainsword to the belly and its still going to keep on functioning and going when it smashes its chainsword and cuts those thin mechs in half!

The internet says that the old Nagash is the ugliest model in the history of the company.

Nagash cops a lot of hate (or did, back in the day) and he's certainly silly looking, but claiming he's the ugliest denies the existence of miniatures like this -



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 insaniak wrote:
Nagash cops a lot of hate (or did, back in the day) and he's certainly silly looking, but claiming he's the ugliest denies the existence of miniatures like this -



.

Ph Nagash is uglier by a long shot. Uberboar looks like it just needs a better paint job, and is arguably ugly on purpose.

True, not much worse than a Finecast Pumbagor. If I found one on the ground I would leave it there.

Why the dislike of finecast? It's free terrain pieces.

Its the principle of the thing

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
The internet says that the old Nagash is the ugliest model in the history of the company.

I kinda like the old Nagash model. It reminds me of Zykon from Order of the Stick.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
The internet says that the old Nagash is the ugliest model in the history of the company.

Old Nagash is superior as a gaming piece to plastic Nagash.

He's not obnoxiously big, he's not covered in delicate little plastic spikes, and you can fit him in a case without much hassle.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
The internet says that the old Nagash is the ugliest model in the history of the company.

Old Nagash is superior as a gaming piece to plastic Nagash.

He's not obnoxiously big, he's not covered in delicate little plastic spikes, and you can fit him in a case without much hassle.

The new one looks nice, but does seem very impractical. Which can be said about a lot of the Swirly Crap(tm) models.

The old one might have been a little goofy, but honestly his hat was not that far out of line with his peers. Big hat = important was the law of the day, and touched a lot of armies. And he was very important.

If we start a thread on what models can't be used in games it will be long and tedious...

The_Real_Chris wrote:
If we start a thread on what models can't be used in games it will be long and tedious...

N0t a bad idea for a new thread, but a little OT for this one.

This thread has been going on for a while so apologies if someone already said this but for me, it's the Ministorum Crusaders.



The models aren't anything spectacular, the newer Blackstone Fortress one is a bit of an improvement but it's only the one model, and also I find that they seem lost locked in with the Sisters of Battle. I was recently frustrated to find out that they don't exist within the Agents of the Imperium codex as I was looking for some fun fluffy units to convert up for a small contingent of Imperium allies I'm planning. To me, they seem like a perfect fit for the stated M.O of the faction (regardless of how it turned out in execution) and I imagine you would find them tagging along to many forces within the Imperium in the lore. I'm actually a big fan of them as a concept and I've seen some great custom kitbashes for them online but I think GW has probably forgotten about them.

I like the vow of silence crusaders who are Bobby G's bodyguard, even though he doesn't want them.

 catbarf wrote:

But yeah, I think most people just ended up kitbashing their own while disagreeing over which end of the official Cruiser model (itself looking like a kitbash from a Tyranid Warrior) is supposed to be the front.

I think that was when they were trying to do a vaguely realistic taken on Nid ships. End of the day if you are making an organism grow into a ship it isn't going to look that interesting.


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I saw the most bizarre BFG game once, it was Tau v Tau. But one side had the all metal GW cigar Tau and the other side had beautiful FW Tau, which looked like how everyone imagined the Tau to look in space.

But because the universe is GrimDark, the ugly Tau won.

And this is another example. Tau ships look more 'sensible' spaceships. Boxy, large, all the angular atmospheric styling is pointless in space. Why wouldn't a rational race have sensible looking ships instead of the FW take which was taking styling over function?

The metal tau were explicitly their earliest attempts at space travel. The FW tau were their modern fleets.

And although compositionally the metal ones just looked bad, the concept of the first fleets being clunky before they refined them is a nice idea.

So I like it conceptually, if not in the execution.

I really liked the drone missile rules in BFG.