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[Edited]The rumours of a new edition were swirling prior to Aepticon, although nothing was announced and we still do not know if this is happening. In the face of this, what is everyone doing with their WIP armies? I'm sure most of us would prefer a clean-up of the existing rules rather than a major overhaul, but regardless of what they do they will want to play around with the army lists. That brings the risk of models being rendered obsolete - an increasingly irritating aspect of playing GW games. Are you guys pausing your armies until the situation becomes clear, or carrying on regardless? I paused my Ultramarines, although the units I have chosen, and the respective upgrades, are mostly based on what is in the kits and are not likely to disappear. I am plowing on with my Sons of Horus, as I just want to get them done and I can probably deal with any army list adjustments fairly easily.

I'm hoping they fix the Imperial Knights that are currently in a bad place, where I have to pay an Armiger ×2 tax per Knight, and I can't field Moriax Armigers (which are a 30k unit, nor Knight Dominus).

My Moriax Armigers are being painted up for my 40k army, no reason not to play with expensive models.

I think I'm the only person that's waiting for some army rewrites - but I do realize that I'm an outlier who plays a wacky army.

(I also hope the evil Fury of the Ancients gets corrected.)

Think I’m pretty much there in terms of having collected a Mechanicum army. And my Dark Angels are well documented and completely complete.

And I’ve nothing especially exotic in there, so hopefully I’m New Edition Proof.

Firstly, I am absolutely disgusted with putting HH on the 3 year edition treadmill. I broke my rule of never paying GW for rules, thinking HH was safe, but no. Never again. Pirate's life for me.

Secondly, we can bet that justifying replacing almost new 55€ books will come with a slew of sweeping changes for the sake of changes. Instead of taking advantage of 3 years of gameplay experience and doing a couple of pages of balance changes the game needs to be great, we'll rewrite everything and start from scratch with random power tiers yet again. We are left to hope that by pure dumb luck the next edition happens to be better. Otherwise we can console ourselves that it'll only be another 3 years until the next reboot.

As for me, I love the setting and I'm still excited to finish my first legion and do another, but I know myself and if the gameplay turns to gak I bet I will shelve the whole thing and take shelter in Adeptus Titanicus, which is more likely to be squatted than ruined.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Firstly, I am absolutely disgusted with putting HH on the 3 year edition treadmill. I broke my rule of never paying GW for rules, thinking HH was safe, but no. Never again. Pirate's life for me..

Yes, I agree with what you say about putting HH onto the 3 year edition churn. While it presumably works in terms of their bottom line, it's a terrible approach - especially given the high cost of the army books, and the time it takes GW to release them. It also penalises more established players, who are likely to have more invested in existing armies. And given that HH has a large proportion of more established players, it's going to piss off a lot of people if they go for a major overhaul. While this business model might work for WH40k (although it drove me away from that game), perhaps because they have a lot of new players jumping on board, it's not going to work with HH. The thing is - GW must know this.

If it’s true. We’ve a bunch of rumours, from not necessarily reliable sources.

Entirely possible I’ve missed a Dead Giveaway though.

That's crazy! 8th Edition just came out and yet we're already screaming through the warp towards 11th edition!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If it’s true. We’ve a bunch of rumours, from not necessarily reliable sources.

Entirely possible I’ve missed a Dead Giveaway though.

There is still real hope that it's all hogwash and someone is just trolling Valrak and/or bad at identifying what they've seen.


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Oh and if the edition does change we can also count on Legends being squatted in line with the current general policy that they only last one edition.

"All but confirmed" in that we've seen no photographic evidence of anything that's been in these rumours?

Consider me sceptical.

Valrak does normally prove accurate. But…he’s often a bit off on the finer details

Nope, no changes to my own plans.

My own plans are, in order of priority:
1) Build 1 more Contemptor Dreadnought. I'm sure it'll still be useful.
2) Assemble the 4 Kharron Pattern Transports a friend 3d printed me recently.
3) Collect enough SoS models/units to tally up to 1k pts when combined with said transports.... 1 squad will definitely include the hunting caimans - because why wouldn't you show up to a fight without attack gators?
4) Build some Mechanicum/Solar Aux guys to support my Knights & Titans - I have a "Build this" list tucked in one of my books.
5) Maybe finally get around to deciding exactly wich color I want my Marines to be. Right now they're a nice simple IW silver basecoat, but no detailing.
6) See if my 3d printing friend can find a file for a Mastadon - unless GW makes a plastic version before I get around to this.

I suppose GW could screw up this plan by dropping the hunting caimans/Kharron transports/Mastadon options....

Did I miss something? When / how did this become "all but confirmed" / highly likely?

No change for me really. My GW miniature collecting "hobby" has been concentrating on collecting minis for using in the past editions of all games, and new editions will therefore never affect any purchase decisions for me going forward. Im done with the churn, and its old rules with new models all day everyday for me.

That means 1st/2nd ed 40K, 1st/2nd edition Space Marine / Adeptus Titanicus, Oldcromunda, GorkaMorka, KT21 for now. Oh yeah, I MIGHT be down for playing HH1/2/3 with LI miniatures, but if that happens, it'll be some years from now anyway..

 morganfreeman wrote:
Did I miss something? When / how did this become "all but confirmed" / highly likely?

A couple of posts from 4chan and unattributed quote from Bolter & Chainsword, so it must be guaranteed.

MarkNorfolk wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:
Did I miss something? When / how did this become "all but confirmed" / highly likely?

A couple of posts from 4chan and unattributed quote from Bolter & Chainsword, so it must be guaranteed.

To quoth the interwebs: Seems Legit.

I have no interest in yet another edition. I've only just gotten back into 30K and played all of 2 games. I wont be buying any more models and depending on how my group feels about things could I may just sell everything and wash my hands of GW completely. My First Legion was nearly "complete" as in where I wanted it and in excess of 5000 points. I liked quite a bit of what I was in current edition. I'm really not sure why they need to build another edition so soon. If anything I would be happier with an expansion that addressed some of the problems other people have mentioned. So that for the rest of us it would be completely optional. I would actually look more favorably at something like that.

I wouldn't mind a clean up and look at Solar / militia, dreadnoughts and artillery.

You know, this could be a Necromunda Edition Equivalent.

Since its relaunch in 20….17, I think? We’ve had various incarnations of the main rulebook. Not new editions, just redos compiling all existing FAQ and Errata.

Whilst a gaming group would be well advised to just Pick One And Go With That, it’s still fundamentally the same edition.

Yeah, I'm thinking middle earth style updates like before the current actual update

You know, like middle earth had some updated rulebooks in their starters that were mainly cleanups or inclusion of new profiles, FAQs and stuff.
Could come with some rewritten profiles of stuff that appeared too strong (Contemptors?).

When this rumour first surfaced I questioned the source, and it turns out there is none but based entirely on the false assumption that every GW game gets a 3-year churn. Players of Blood Bowl, Adeptus Titanicus and Warhammer Quest will definitely beg to differ...

This isn't to say that there won't be a new edition of 30K this year, but the proposed boxed set sounds like a Marine player's wish list that ignores the developments for the Heresy-era games over the last 3 years.

That said, GW might decide to bounce ideas between Horus Heresy and The Old World, by having two core army boxes like they had for Bretonnians and Tomb Kings. One for Marines and one for Solar...

SamusDrake wrote:
When this rumour first surfaced I questioned the source, and it turns out there is none but based entirely on the false assumption that every GW game gets a 3-year churn. Players of Blood Bowl, Adeptus Titanicus and Warhammer Quest will definitely beg to differ...

These rumours are based on more than just an assumption. There are 'sources', including someone who claims to have seen the alleged new box art. It is absolutely possible that this might all turn out to be nothing but hot air, but it's more likely that at least some of this is true. And there is plenty of reason for believing that HH will go onto the 3-year churn. It's far more popular than the games you mention, receives significant support in the form of new plastic kits, and (perhaps most importantly) it includes Marines. I would hope that they realise that adopting the WH40k business model (which is ultimately designed to keep bringing in new players) for HH would alienate the majority of the player base (which seems to consist primarily of longer-term players). But I am not confident that they will be able to resist the temptation to milk HH the same way. That's the result of my experience of WH40k's recent editions, which involves basically throwing away a stack of codexes and shelving a bunch of models every few years. It keeps the hype going (and feeds the Youtubers who live off WH40k), but it killed my interest in a game that I've been playing since RT days.

That said, I accept that it was premature to say that the rumours of a new edition are "all but confirmed" - that was putting it too high.

To recap?

So far, we’ve only rumours. And those seem to have been broadly presented and interpreted on the assumption Heresy has a three year cycle.

And it’s that assumption I’m wary of.

First, we know Heresy has benefited from some pretty stellar splash release boxes. The main boxed set is hefty, with a price tag to match, but the contents are a small army in their own right.

Then came the Marine Support Box, which offered loads more toys at a pretty healthy standing discount.

Solar Auxilia then got their splash release launch box, which again offered a healthy standing discount.

And now Mechanicum have had two in the same vein of standing savings.

So I’m perfectly willing, going on known evidence, to accept there’s another chunky box in the offing for Astartes, who despite the recent diversification, remain the 19 bread and butter armies of this particular setting.

And, as we’ve seen from Necromunda and other Specialist Games*, that may include an updated rule book, which stopping comfortably short of a New Edition, is instead just being a reprint with any and all existing FAQ/Errata included. A nice thing to have for sure, but still not a new edition.

But right now, other than “but that’s what AoS and 40K get”, we’ve nothing concrete on Heresy have a three year edition cycle.

Time will of course tell, and as always I’m happy to be proven wrong

 Snord wrote:


These rumours are based on more than just an assumption. There are 'sources', including someone who claims to have seen the alleged new box art. It is absolutely possible that this might all turn out to be nothing but hot air, but it's more likely that at least some of this is true. And there is plenty of reason for believing that HH will go onto the 3-year churn. It's far more popular than the games you mention, receives significant support in the form of new plastic kits, and (perhaps most importantly) it includes Marines. I would hope that they realise that adopting the WH40k business model (which is ultimately designed to keep bringing in new players) for HH would alienate the majority of the player base (which seems to consist primarily of longer-term players). But I am not confident that they will be able to resist the temptation to milk HH the same way. That's the result of my experience of WH40k's recent editions, which involves basically throwing away a stack of codexes and shelving a bunch of models every few years. It keeps the hype going (and feeds the Youtubers who live off WH40k), but it killed my interest in a game that I've been playing since RT days.

That said, I accept that it was premature to say that the rumours of a new edition are "all but confirmed" - that was putting it too high.

I feel I've said my piece, and I do acknowledge your thoughts on the matter. I think at least we're both of the opinion that we'll just have to wait and see what happens this summer.

As a player who was once interested in the game, the barrier to entry was simply too great. Xenos Rampant and Kill Team: Age of Darkness make a lot more sense.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


So I’m perfectly willing, going on known evidence, to accept there’s another chunky box in the offing for Astartes, who despite the recent diversification, remain the 19 bread and butter armies of this particular setting.

I think that would have applied to Legions Imperialis as well, with just Marines and the two Warhounds. Six months later, announce Solar.

Once again, I can see them taking a leaf out it's fantasy counterpart, The Old World, and offering two core boxes; one for Marines and the other for Solar. If 30K is outselling TOW then its certainly worth the effort.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Valrak does normally prove accurate. But…he’s often a bit off on the finer details

That's because the things he's normally "accurate" on tend to be the things any random hobbyist could guess on their own. He's had two or three genuine Big Leaks land in his lap and people ascribe him a lot of credibility as a result, but most of what he says is speculation and a lot of it turns out to be complete guff. How's everyone enjoying their brand new 30K melee dreadnought and plastic mk5? I find it interesting how much authority having a youtube channel gives someone - Valrak's track record is scarcely more accurate than Faeit212's was back in the day, yet Valrak's pronouncements are treated as being as good as factual while ol' Naffy was a figure of fun.

But like Faeit? Valrak is a rumour aggregator. He makes it clear it’s info passed on to him, not him making the claim himself.

Faeit definitely had blind devotees

It was also the era of remarkable circular logic:

Faeit: There will be Release A
Also Faeit: Actually Release A was cancelled
Release A: is not released
People: Wow, it really wasn't released, just as Faeit said it wouldn't, they must be legit!

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Valrak does normally prove accurate. But…he’s often a bit off on the finer details

That's because the things he's normally "accurate" on tend to be the things any random hobbyist could guess on their own. He's had two or three genuine Big Leaks land in his lap and people ascribe him a lot of credibility as a result, but most of what he says is speculation and a lot of it turns out to be complete guff. How's everyone enjoying their brand new 30K melee dreadnought and plastic mk5? I find it interesting how much authority having a youtube channel gives someone - Valrak's track record is scarcely more accurate than Faeit212's was back in the day, yet Valrak's pronouncements are treated as being as good as factual while ol' Naffy was a figure of fun.

I don't really agree with that.

IIRC, Valrak has been 100% spot on about model -appearance-, factions present, and systems release windows for the past 2-3 years.

What I mean by that is he's called the content of multiple boxes, for years now, with basically 100% accuracy; just not always understanding what things are. Ergo the killteam box was "elysian drop troops vs vespids" (something he was talking about almost a year out I believe) when it turned out to be scion drop troops, so kind of a tomato-tomato situation. Similar thing for the Astartes Battleforce; he got the contents of land raider, nu MKIII, and gun-dread down; same thing with the mechanicum box for 30k. However he was also saying the astartes was, iirc, a new edition to go with it.

Valkrak has proven incredibly accurate if you want to know what models are coming for what systems and when. What he's not always spot on with is the finer details of a new edition, or what exactly those models are (ergo shooty dread was actually deredeo). It seems he has someone direct on the inside who feeds him information because they get to see the models and know the release timings, but isn't super knowledgeable on what the models actually are or the finer rules details.

Information could come from say someone who sees packaging materials

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Valrak does normally prove accurate. But…he’s often a bit off on the finer details

That's because the things he's normally "accurate" on tend to be the things any random hobbyist could guess on their own. He's had two or three genuine Big Leaks land in his lap and people ascribe him a lot of credibility as a result, but most of what he says is speculation and a lot of it turns out to be complete guff. How's everyone enjoying their brand new 30K melee dreadnought and plastic mk5? I find it interesting how much authority having a youtube channel gives someone - Valrak's track record is scarcely more accurate than Faeit212's was back in the day, yet Valrak's pronouncements are treated as being as good as factual while ol' Naffy was a figure of fun.

Thats just plainly not true. The dude has been consistently telling us what each upcpming release is, including whether or npt they arw getting a launch box and the exact contents of said box, and sometimes their combat patrols, plus lists of new units or characters. Thats a lot more than what a random hobbyist can guess, espevially when hes done it on a xonsistent basis for the last 2-3 years.

I manage to get together with friends for gaming maybe once a month. We play several game systems. So heresy maybe twice a year at most. If the rules change every three years we will just not bother.

Every game we have stopped playing was down to rules changes, or the game going out of production.

It takes a long time to build and paint an army, I started an imperial fist force when 2.0 dropped, and only have about 2000 done so far.

I have plans for another army buy that project will never get started if this happens.

The churn and burn kills long term investment in the games. Its why the only game of 40K i've played in five years was 7th edition. At this rate I'll just end up as a grumpy historicals player.