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And with the prices and number of products for Shadows of Brimstone it's why I'm surprised GW aren't doing it. £30-£40 for 3-5 enemy minis and a few cards to make them playable. And we're up to what maybe 40 enemy packs now (including the XL enemies that are larger) and that's in addition to the big box expansions and standalone expansions which also work as a new base game...

The current version of dungeon saga is a massive disappointment, but the previous version was an excellent space hulk like tactical dungeon crawl.

Had no idea shadows was a WHQ clone as I have never found anything like it personally.

Dungeon Saga Origins is pretty good, but not WHQ good. More like a half-step up from Heroquest with a decent enemy AI built into the system, no DM needed. League of Dungeoneers is probably even closer than Shadows of Brimstone to the WHQ experience. Phenominal game, but the author only does limited printruns through KS/Gamefound.

As for actual WHQ, Littlemonk has been adding new content for quite a few years, both remastering the old scans for people to print n play and also creating a boatload of custom content that rivals GW in quality. His Hall of the Hag Queen dark elf questbook is widely considered better than the GW questbooks. He's in the same boat as Warhammer Armies Project was where GW is clearly aware of him and happy to let him continue doing his thing since the game is OOP so long as it's clearly marked as not official GW. WAP got their C&D right before The Old World was about to finally release. Littlemonk hasn't gotten a C&D so I'd guess there's nothing official on the horizon for WHQ, sadly.

Also, Advanced Heroquest has seen a bit of a fan resurgence in the last couple years, there's an active Facebook Group remastering that content too. Graeme Davis found out and dug out a bunch of old content that was cut from Terror in the Dark, and some fans went through and edited that into a fully illustrated Undead expansion. That just came out a couple weeks ago.

So I don't expect anything official from GW, but it's still a fantastic time to be a dungeoncrawl fan

I am a fan of both League of Dungeoneers and Shadows of Brimstone.

League is a great entry due to the price (cardboard standees rather than minis) but I prefer the overall setting variation from Brimstone.

I have never played it but the fan made Hexcrawl expansions for Brimstone are meant to make it fully an original WHQ experience with land travel, etc.

Final part has aired. Feels like this was an enormous tease to do it without organising a reprint.

I don't understand the giant gap between episodes for this and the Kill Lupercal finale. What the heck is happening over at WH+?

It dropped once a month, guess that was the content creation schedule.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see a reprint of this as a limited release thing still.

I watched episode 1 last night and it was maybe the second time I’ve actually watched anything longer than a few minutes on Warhammer+ despite being a day 1 subscriber.

They really need to add subtitles to their Apple TV app.

I think what my hold up a reprint is having difficulty finding somewhere to print high quality cardboard tiles or having the original files somewhere.

The sprues and rulebooks "should" be simple.

HidaO-Win wrote:
I think what my hold up a reprint is having difficulty finding somewhere to print high quality cardboard tiles or having the original files somewhere.

The sprues and rulebooks "should" be simple.

Yeah, the problem will be making the dungeon tiles just thick enough to fit into the door arches tightly. Trying to find that level when gluing the WD tiles to cardboard was very difficult!

It definitely feels weird to offer a multipart
video playthrough to celebrate a long, long out of print game and then do….nowt.

It’s like MST3K only airing the commentary, and not showing the film itself.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


It’s like MST3K only airing the commentary, and not showing the film itself.

You mean like when the various cast became Cinematic Titanic and RiffTrax?

Erm…ummm..I dunno!

Even a reprint of the models alone - no game just the models on made-to-order would have been interesting.

It is strange to see GW do a multi-part video of their own and not have anything to sell us after.

A better example would be Bethesda Game Studios partnering with Amazon to make a full season of a Fallout TV show, but when it the show came out and was a massive hit, Bethesda turned out to have not prepped any sort of new Fallout game - or even a remaster/reissue - to drop alongside the show.

 Psychopomp wrote:
A better example would be Bethesda Game Studios partnering with Amazon to make a full season of a Fallout TV show, but when it the show came out and was a massive hit, Bethesda turned out to have not prepped any sort of new Fallout game - or even a remaster/reissue - to drop alongside the show.

But we all know Bethesda only makes Skyrim remasters!

I suspect it is partly to maintain the trademark (to show that it is still in use even if the product is not currently on the shelves) and perhaps to gauge interest ahead of a potential reboot.

We've not had a decent board game in years.

GW needs to do the decent thing this Christmas and double whammy us with Space Hulk and Classic Warhammer Quest. No more mucking about.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


It’s like MST3K only airing the commentary, and not showing the film itself.

You mean like when the various cast became Cinematic Titanic and RiffTrax?

I appreciate this is a tongue in cheek remark but [adjusts glasses] your analogy is missing a bit of key context that makes it not really work.
Cinematic Titanic and Rifftrax both released snark tracks without the films to avoid licensing headaches, yes, but they are/were always 100% intended to be watched alongside the movie and included sync-up marks to that end. RT even had its own player for a while. You were never meant to consume one without the other.

HidaO-Win wrote:
I think what my hold up a reprint is having difficulty finding somewhere to print high quality cardboard tiles or having the original files somewhere.

The sprues and rulebooks "should" be simple.

Not really. The game is old enough that the print files for the rulebooks were unlikely to be fully digital. Page layout would have been done digitally by the mid-90s, but photography would have been done on film. Artwork would also have been physical and would then have been photographed. GW may have had the facility to scan those images themselves but it's also quite likely that the final images were compiled with the layout files by the printers, who then would have produced sheets of film for checking, before these were turned into printing plates. That's a lot different from the modern situation, with all layout and image files being digital, and the print files being PDFs. I imagine GW must have some version of all these images and files, but they're unlikely to be complete and ready to go, and there could well be issues with opening the files given the age of the software that would have been used to produce the original layouts. I don't think any kind of reprint was ever likely; no idea why they chose to make it such a big feature of Warhammer+ for the past few months.

HidaO-Win wrote:
I think what my hold up a reprint is having difficulty finding somewhere to print high quality cardboard tiles or having the original files somewhere.

The sprues and rulebooks "should" be simple.

Sprues should be easy indeed - they sold them some years after the game in 'Toy Boxes' together with Talisman plastics - I bought the Adventurers box and converted the Barbarian and the Dark Elf assassine for Necromunda. Though my main target was the Tyranid box with 4 Genestealers and 4 Termagants - guess I bought about ten. Those boxes were dirty cheap.

 Psychopomp wrote:
A better example would be Bethesda Game Studios partnering with Amazon to make a full season of a Fallout TV show, but when it the show came out and was a massive hit, Bethesda turned out to have not prepped any sort of new Fallout game - or even a remaster/reissue - to drop alongside the show.

What, you weren't amazed by the 'you get to play a ghoul now' expansion for Fallout 76 that released after the series?

 Tastyfish wrote:
I suspect it is partly to maintain the trademark (to show that it is still in use even if the product is not currently on the shelves) and perhaps to gauge interest ahead of a potential reboot.

Cursed City is still on sale and is called Warhammer Quest, so I don't think there's any trademark issue.

But I would imagine the interest is there. Looking at eBay right when this first got announced, used copies have been listed for $400-800. No idea if anyone is buying them at that price.

Between the many modern Hero Quest expansions and Kickstarter all-in version of Dungeon Saga Origins, I must have enough dungeon tiles and miniatures for many of the miniatures. I have a pile of em4 Orcs on the Hero Quest style flat bases somewhere too.

Giant bats and giant spiders in plastic at a decent price are alluding me somewhat.

I can't see GW re-releasing the original WQ without updating the miniatures, that would seem to only appeal to the nostalgia market.

However, if they re-released it with modern, more detailed versions of the miniatures then it could be very successful indeed!

Old vintage plastic miniatures maybe belong to Wargames Foundry. If I'm not wrong, Heroquest old heroes (with many other old Citadel miniatures) are exposed at Foundry shop.

Greenfield wrote:

HidaO-Win wrote:
I think what my hold up a reprint is having difficulty finding somewhere to print high quality cardboard tiles or having the original files somewhere.

The sprues and rulebooks "should" be simple.

Not really. The game is old enough that the print files for the rulebooks were unlikely to be fully digital. Page layout would have been done digitally by the mid-90s, but photography would have been done on film. Artwork would also have been physical and would then have been photographed. GW may have had the facility to scan those images themselves but it's also quite likely that the final images were compiled with the layout files by the printers, who then would have produced sheets of film for checking, before these were turned into printing plates. That's a lot different from the modern situation, with all layout and image files being digital, and the print files being PDFs. I imagine GW must have some version of all these images and files, but they're unlikely to be complete and ready to go, and there could well be issues with opening the files given the age of the software that would have been used to produce the original layouts. I don't think any kind of reprint was ever likely; no idea why they chose to make it such a big feature of Warhammer+ for the past few months.

Internet is full of people that literally remade the game on they own, from board section to books, and GW is incapable of doing that?

Budget and man hours. And doing it all to a standard they feel is reflective of the rest of GW’s offerings.

When Louise Sugden did the worky bits to get Rogue Trader back in print, she was by her own description a one woman band. Not simply scanning the pages of a pristine copy of the original Rogue Trader, but page by page digital clean ups and converting to whatever file format the printer needed, without loss of resolution.

And that took her months.

To get WHQ back in print, you need to find and update or recreate the original floor tile masters. And ensure they can be printed on cardstock of Just The Right Thickness. And then scan in and tidy up an existing rulebook, roleplay book and that. Then of course you need to find the original moulds, make sure they’re still compatible with the modern machinery*, and still in working order (accidents of usage and storage will happen).

Then you’ll have something ready to go into production. And before you press the Go Switch? You need to have ensured underlying costs aren’t just likely to be met by likely sales volumes, but that whatever it is you’re rearranging to free up the time need to cast the Sprues, print the cards and dungeon tiles and rulebooks and boxes and that isn’t likely to provide a greater level of profit.

*Pure speculation on my behalf. I’ve absolutely no idea whether modern plastic injection moulding machines owned by GW are significantly different in size settings from those around when WHQ was first in production. But if they are, and the original moulds are now in an obsolete size? That’s further costs to sort out one way or another.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Then of course you need to find the original moulds, make sure they’re still compatible with the modern machinery*, and still in working order (accidents of usage and storage will happen).

*Pure speculation on my behalf. I’ve absolutely no idea whether modern plastic injection moulding machines owned by GW are significantly different in size settings from those around when WHQ was first in production. But if they are, and the original moulds are now in an obsolete size? That’s further costs to sort out one way or another.

I can assure you that this is not a problem. I work in the industry in a rather small company and we can still produce with decades old moulds on newer machines. I guess the oldest is from 1956... - Regarding the size: of course you use different machines to produce large or smaller sprues. But that's why you have a diverse machine park. And GW has it, that's for sure.

Oh nice! Thank you for the clarification

I think the killer might be having to print the card in China, does GW have a local partner that will do high quality card for them. That was what was rumoured happened to the two Cursed City expansions, right? Them doing HH tokens as plastic sprues felt like a sign.