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SU-152 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Snord wrote:
It struck me when looking at these models, and thinking about what I enjoyed when I played Starcraft, is that they should have gone for a smaller scale, with more dudes on the table. I'm not sure the designs stand up so well when reproduced in relatively large scale models like this. And that would have made it easier to incorporate the bigger units. Starcraft without Battlecruisers just seems...wrong.

Maybe, but if they'd done that scale you'd not be able to see Raynor or Kerrigan very much. Felix in Dragoon form you might be able to pick out as they'd be more chunky, but otherwise most of them would be tiny. Sure you'd get that grand scale battle, but most of the characters (Bar overmind) would be tiny. Also we know that in general smaller scale games have a harder time selling.

So this scale lets you have loads of detail over most of the army and characters and have the greater chance of success. I call that a win - plus it means getting proper detailed zerglings and hydralisks.

All those characters could have been done in smaller scale.

I have a 10mm Nagash for Warmaster and it is brutal, just see the (hand sculpted and cast in resin) Argatoria 10mm line. Make those in a (for example) 20mm scale and they would be even better. But no, they had to try to fight against WH40k in their own turf of brutally scale-crept 3Xmm models.

Edit: an SC game without siege tanks, battlecruisers (they could be like the Epic Armageddon Tau Manta for instance), etc... just

I think 15mms would be like the perfect size for this game, problem would be plastic at these scales since it's kind of shallow on microdetails. Best 15mms I have had are in metal and from GZG.

Not just that, but that scale of game is always harder to sell over standard 28-32mm.

Honestly I think the best hope is the SC game does super well and they spin off a second 6-15mm scale version that lets you have all the tanks, swarms and stuff

You got it all wrong, folks. The tabletop game is surely meant to emulate the RTS multiplayer degeneracy of early game rushes. No need to choose a scale that allows large, higher tier units that you never even get to put on the table.

For this scale a Warcraft 3 Wargame would work better. 1-3 heroes, 15-25 units per side. You can do a ton of factions, from normal races that can go into subfactions (human kingdoms, orc clans) to neutral / hostile factions like scarlet crusade, murlocs, etc...

But oh well if Prodoss wanted Starcraft thats fine too.

I wouldn't call Starcraft particularly character focused, though its cast is definitely popular with fans of the game. Kerrigan though is a genuine video game icon, though also the one I think could have been represented well at a smaller scale.

 LunarSol wrote:
I wouldn't call Starcraft particularly character focused, though its cast is definitely popular with fans of the game. Kerrigan though is a genuine video game icon, though also the one I think could have been represented well at a smaller scale.

I'd argue tychus and Jim are as well. Anyone who has touched the franchise will likely recognise them. The "it's about time" trailer alone is enough for tychus.

Tychus was a nobody at the time the trailer launched. At least in-game terms. However whilst his suit was modified, it was very Marine and he looked the 100% Criminal Marine that we all know they are. So at that point in time he worked as just a generic marine being suited up and sealed in as part of his punishment to serve on the front lines.

I think 15mms would be like the perfect size for this game, problem would be plastic at these scales since it's kind of shallow on microdetails. Best 15mms I have had are in metal and from GZG.

Can't recall Prodoss quality, but just look at Legions Imperialis vehicles (in 8mm scale!!!), those are brutally detailed. In fact, just too much.

SU-152 wrote:

I think 15mms would be like the perfect size for this game, problem would be plastic at these scales since it's kind of shallow on microdetails. Best 15mms I have had are in metal and from GZG.

Can't recall Prodoss quality, but just look at Legions Imperialis vehicles (in 8mm scale!!!), those are brutally detailed. In fact, just too much.

Infantry level miniatures had massive undercut fillers that look nasty.

Oddly mostly on the Marines - or at least stands out most on them.

I think its cause GW pushed more dynamic poses and that resulted in the undercuts. It might even be the game started out 6mm where those undercuts would have been super tiny and then they crept up to 8mm and just kept the infantry as-is

Video shows off the models including a goliath

 NAVARRO wrote:

SU-152 wrote:

I think 15mms would be like the perfect size for this game, problem would be plastic at these scales since it's kind of shallow on microdetails. Best 15mms I have had are in metal and from GZG.

Can't recall Prodoss quality, but just look at Legions Imperialis vehicles (in 8mm scale!!!), those are brutally detailed. In fact, just too much.

Infantry level miniatures had massive undercut fillers that look nasty.

And for plastic infantry done well for smol scales you can go check Epic Warpath or Armoured Clash. Thinking about how to do poses instead of just downscaling the ones from the full sized games helps a whole lot.

Apologies if this has been posted before but I have just learned Sam Pearson has been involved with developing the game. Designer of WarCry, that was one of the better games GW has released over recent years I thought so has me hopeful for this one.

 Pacific wrote:
Apologies if this has been posted before but I have just learned Sam Pearson has been involved with developing the game. Designer of WarCry, that was one of the better games GW has released over recent years I thought so has me hopeful for this one.

Specifically, he worked on the narrative campaign system for it.

Source


He talks about it for roughly 1 minute and 40 seconds as part of why he hasn't posted as many videos recently.

 Overread wrote:
Not just that, but that scale of game is always harder to sell over standard 28-32mm.

Honestly I think the best hope is the SC game does super well and they spin off a second 6-15mm scale version that lets you have all the tanks, swarms and stuff

At the end of the day it's a licensed product and the priority will always be to reach as broad of an audience as possible, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't want a smaller scale game with a larger focus on RTS elements. I'm personally hoping that this will be possible in the future if Blizzard approves it, although I wouldn't expect it in the next couple of years, unfortunately.

Pre orders go live march 10th

Most individual regiment boxes are above the £30 mark and not many minis in them. Noooopes.

Easy pass on this one.

50 dollars for 9 marines (plus the included clear weapon fx sprue) vs 65 for 10 intercessors isn't too bad. I think the medics are overpriced by maybe 9 dollars though.

Pre orders will be on Archons website and Gamefound simultaneously, in case the Archon site crashes.

Prices look okay in my view, about GW prices from 10 years ago. Which is fine for minis that are equal qualitywize. Will see what savings there are on retail.

 Thargrim wrote:
50 dollars for 9 marines (plus the included clear weapon fx sprue) vs 65 for 10 intercessors isn't too bad. I think the medics are overpriced by maybe 9 dollars though.

Pre orders will be on Archons website and Gamefound simultaneously, in case the Archon site crashes.

Thing is chances are you won't need many medics in your army; but you will likely need a good number of marines. So sometimes prices do reflect anticipated sales. That's why named characters and single leader models often cost a lot more proportionally speaking cause most people will buy one and never again need that model.

 Overread wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
50 dollars for 9 marines (plus the included clear weapon fx sprue) vs 65 for 10 intercessors isn't too bad. I think the medics are overpriced by maybe 9 dollars though.

Pre orders will be on Archons website and Gamefound simultaneously, in case the Archon site crashes.

Thing is chances are you won't need many medics in your army; but you will likely need a good number of marines. So sometimes prices do reflect anticipated sales. That's why named characters and single leader models often cost a lot more proportionally speaking cause most people will buy one and never again need that model.

Fair enough, I don't see myself running more than six at 2k points based on what i've seen.

Also I read on another site that the medic price was wrong and its coming down to 29 instead of 39

 NAVARRO wrote:
Most individual regiment boxes are above the £30 mark and not many minis in them. Noooopes.

Easy pass on this one.

I hate to say it but what were you expecting? The minis look to be close to GW quality casts but are cheaper per head and comparatively more points per mini, so you need fewer.

Apparently a lot of the unboxing & early play vids from some of the hobby wargaming channels will be appearing next week. The bit I am waiting for, to see how the game plays - a couple of not very encouraging reports about the game being very crunchy (although I read the same about Epic Warpath, and that was absolutely not the case, so will wait to see a few more reports).

Well these prices are quite good considering that some of these guys are bit bigger then you think.

I'll be putting my money where my mouth is and getting the 2 player founders box. It will immediately become my immediate hobby focus (damn you Marathon eating my time), I will then host games with my regular opponents to see about uptake.

If none then I have some cool stuff for the shelf from one of my favourite franchises

Dudeface wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Most individual regiment boxes are above the £30 mark and not many minis in them. Noooopes.

Easy pass on this one.

I hate to say it but what were you expecting? The minis look to be close to GW quality casts but are cheaper per head and comparatively more points per mini, so you need fewer.

As far as quality I have seen so far these are not on the same level of GW kits at all.
But not looking into that and from a perspective of getting an alternative smaller, sci-fi filler game, this is not cheap enough to compete with my necromunda kits. So yes I cant really justify boxes with 2 or 3 minis per box for around £10 per each mini.
I would be better off getting those necro 10 men boxes with loads of options and convert them to home-brew scifi games of my choice.
I cant see this game having relevant longevity so if I want some sci-fi minis I rather get the very overpriced GW necromunda ones for a better value and quality than this.
When you consider GW prices are par of better value than other company products then, yes, it needs to be something really special.
Boils down the usage/longevity you want from these kits I guess.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Most individual regiment boxes are above the £30 mark and not many minis in them. Noooopes.

Easy pass on this one.

I hate to say it but what were you expecting? The minis look to be close to GW quality casts but are cheaper per head and comparatively more points per mini, so you need fewer.

As far as quality I have seen so far these are not on the same level of GW kits at all.
But not looking into that and from a perspective of getting an alternative smaller, sci-fi filler game, this is not cheap enough to compete with my necromunda kits. So yes I cant really justify boxes with 2 or 3 minis per box for around £10 per each mini.
I would be better off getting those necro 10 men boxes with loads of options and convert them to home-brew scifi games of my choice.
I cant see this game having relevant longevity so if I want some sci-fi minis I rather get the very overpriced GW necromunda ones for a better value and quality than this.
When you consider GW prices are par of better value than other company products then, yes, it needs to be something really special.
Boils down the usage/longevity you want from these kits I guess.

They're a lot bigger than most necromunda minis and have optional components with them, so again, I arent sure what metric you're really using here?

It's not a small skirmish game like necromunda, so no it won't be for you if you don't want to use more than 20 minis or so.

I strong disagree that the prices are any worse or even on par to GW.

Dudeface wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Most individual regiment boxes are above the £30 mark and not many minis in them. Noooopes.

Easy pass on this one.

I hate to say it but what were you expecting? The minis look to be close to GW quality casts but are cheaper per head and comparatively more points per mini, so you need fewer.

As far as quality I have seen so far these are not on the same level of GW kits at all.
But not looking into that and from a perspective of getting an alternative smaller, sci-fi filler game, this is not cheap enough to compete with my necromunda kits. So yes I cant really justify boxes with 2 or 3 minis per box for around £10 per each mini.
I would be better off getting those necro 10 men boxes with loads of options and convert them to home-brew scifi games of my choice.
I cant see this game having relevant longevity so if I want some sci-fi minis I rather get the very overpriced GW necromunda ones for a better value and quality than this.
When you consider GW prices are par of better value than other company products then, yes, it needs to be something really special.
Boils down the usage/longevity you want from these kits I guess.

They're a lot bigger than most necromunda minis and have optional components with them, so again, I arent sure what metric you're really using here?

It's not a small skirmish game like necromunda, so no it won't be for you if you don't want to use more than 20 minis or so.

I strong disagree that the prices are any worse or even on par to GW.

The big size kits for necromunda are around 32.50 for a couple bigger fellas so, about the same as these.

Isn't 1000 points 20 minis Terran all you need? Or on top of that you need to get multiples of the individual regiment boxes? Either way 20 minis army is kind of a small game. If you tell me I need to get multiple boxes then it's even less tempting.

I look at leviathan box for minis content and yikes this is not a good value. But I digress and will leave the thread for those exited about this. I said my piece.

1000 points is the skirmish mode which should be around the size of 40k combat patrol. I wrote up a 1k list for Terrans including: 1 Goliath, 3 medics, 2 marauders, two 6 man marine squads. And that's using the generic Terran option, using Raynor the list would look a little different.