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New press release from AMG has confirmed that Shatterpoint is getting put on the same back burner, we are not killing this game, honestly guv, as both X Wing and Armada in order for them to focus more heavily on Legion, including new factions.

Another one bites the dust.

Here’s to the next iteration with a sliiiightly different scale.

They should have just focused on Legion from the beginning. Or at the very least it should have been the same scale so there was cross compatibility for the models.

New factions? Maybe we will get the Gungans

I don't even remember which game this one is/was anymore but I'm not surprised. I anxiously await the next minis game that is slightly bigger with a new hat to be announced at Gencon 2026 thereby meeting the minimal threshold to make it legally and commercially distinct from the multitude of other games that came before it.

Shatterpoint was the one with the bigger minis, wasn't it? I doubt there'll be too many people upset.

Is Imperial Assault also defunct now?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is Imperial Assault also defunct now?

Yes, that one was put on the back burner when Legion came out, and then quietly ignored until it went away.

Sad, because that's the one that actually had proper sized miniatures...

I will just keep buying to get everything, focusing on main lines and giving the others some work when needed is probably for the best.

Legion does have a lot of purchase power since you need more kits, why shatterpoint is cheep to start in comparison. We have more players for it, but when a single legion player can buy more kits than like half the shatterpoint campaign we got I always think it’s difficult.

Also the terrain is so good, I’m always surprised it doesn’t come up that often.

 insaniak wrote:
Shatterpoint was the one with the bigger minis, wasn't it? I doubt there'll be too many people upset.

Statistically, yes... But my point was that every game for a while/a couple in a row fit that bill. The FFG board game started at 25mm ish tyen there was the mass battle one then the skirmish one(s?). Honestly, I didn't keep track. I still have my old WOTC prepaints that I used for my old Saga campaign so I'm not upset but rather just sarcastic.

Yeah, I wasn't addressing that at you, just Shatterpoint was only vaguely on my rader due to being the 'wrong' size.

I also have a large collection of WotC minis, which is why I was sad when Imperial Assault went away, as those were the right size to be compatible so handy for fleshing out some gaps in the WotC range.

They were really pushing Shatterpoint releases in the last few months. This is a surprise to me.

likely clearing out everything they had contracted for,

that way stores/distributors wouldn't have time to drop support leaving the last few kits released with little or no buyers as i seem to remember happening when they killed x-wing

(on a more positive note having fewer games to support is a good thing for Atomic Mass since they were never given the increase in staff they would have needed to handle them and I don't think Asmodee seems to have the budget and/or slots with their manufacturers to produce more minis a year eaven if they did given the irregular nature of their current releases)

I decided to stop purchasing stuff for this game a year and half ago. Mostly because I had a gut feeling that the game wouldn't last. I also didn't like the gameplay, despite initially being excited for it.

They'll probably trickle a few releases over the next year or two before shutting it down entirely.

I wouldnt be surprised if MCP goes this way after while

Pity, I rather liked Shatterpoint.

When Shatterpoint started and they killed X-Wing and Armada I saw many folks saying Shatterpoint might kill Legion. Guess it’s the other way around. Shatterpoint didn't appeal to me at all, as it was mainly competitive focused with little regard to the theme, which I found quite strange in a licensed game.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
When Shatterpoint started and they killed X-Wing and Armada I saw many folks saying Shatterpoint might kill Legion. Guess it’s the other way around. Shatterpoint didn't appeal to me at all, as it was mainly competitive focused with little regard to the theme, which I found quite strange in a licensed game.

It's kind of a shame as I feel like the format (small number of heroes/villains + henchmen duking it out) really fits Star Wars.

Fantasy Flight made their share of missteps but it seems like the only time I hear about AMG is when they're closing down more games.

They focus on the "smaller" scale game? odd case where a company doesn't go the scale crept way.

A few places locally to me had Shatterpoint stuff on sale which is never a good sign.

A shame as I liked the concept of a smaller model count SW game. I didn't ever get to try it, although a lot of the reviews of the gameplay were not overly praising.

 Tamereth wrote:
They should have just focused on Legion from the beginning. Or at the very least it should have been the same scale so there was cross compatibility for the models.

New factions? Maybe we will get the Gungans

That wasn't really an option at the time. Shatterpoint was essentially finished and going into production at the point that Asmodee decided to take Legion, X-Wing & Armada from FFG and hand it over to AMG (whether they wanted them or not). It was designed at the same scale as Marvel Crisis Protocol because that's the scale AMG worked with, cross compatibility with Legion wasn't ever likely to have been considered as they were made by different studios.

As it is, it seems like Legion just has a bigger audience and presumably sells much better, ergo that's where the attention ends up. I enjoy Shatterpoint for what it is and the models are beautiful but it just never seemed to catch fire.

Gungans are pretty much a given at this point, they've done interviews with some very strong hints.

I’ll never forgive them for canning Aramada before they properly explored the Clone Wars era.

X-Wing less so, as being the older game it was already delving into the old EU for new ships. But Armada felt like it looked at its natural home, only for AMG to lob a Molotov through the door,

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
They should have just focused on Legion from the beginning. Or at the very least it should have been the same scale so there was cross compatibility for the models.

New factions? Maybe we will get the Gungans

That wasn't really an option at the time. Shatterpoint was essentially finished and going into production at the point that Asmodee decided to take Legion, X-Wing & Armada from FFG and hand it over to AMG (whether they wanted them or not). It was designed at the same scale as Marvel Crisis Protocol because that's the scale AMG worked with, cross compatibility with Legion wasn't ever likely to have been considered as they were made by different studios.

As it is, it seems like Legion just has a bigger audience and presumably sells much better, ergo that's where the attention ends up. I enjoy Shatterpoint for what it is and the models are beautiful but it just never seemed to catch fire.

Gungans are pretty much a given at this point, they've done interviews with some very strong hints.

This is always sad, since it always seems they do want to just make great games. And playing MCP we are getting some really weird stuff now that I never would have expected and digging further into the fun little obscure stuff.

And shatter point got some miniatures for things that I would have never expected as well, it’s really cool for display miniature as well for games.
Even beginning with legion before they take over, it seemed like there wasn’t any want to put in stuff that would get people really interested until AMG take over. So it’s kinda weird reading dakka here for me.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ll never forgive them for canning Aramada before they properly explored the Clone Wars era.

X-Wing less so, as being the older game it was already delving into the old EU for new ships. But Armada felt like it looked at its natural home, only for AMG to lob a Molotov through the door,

Seeing how the 2nd hand market is still not cooling down on Armada prices and 3d prints are showing up everywhere it's hard to understand how the game apparently sold badly.

Someone needs to create a a viable sustainable long therm business miniatures/wargame model that does not rely solely on the constant churn of new minis.

So cool terrain on clearance?

 NAVARRO wrote:
Someone needs to create a a viable sustainable long therm business miniatures/wargame model that does not rely solely on the constant churn of new minis.

Seems doubtful.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I wouldnt be surprised if MCP goes this way after while

I think it's probably safe for a good while yet. People still play MCP even if it's not seeing the highs of the Covid years. The Marvel well isn't quite as poisoned as the Star Wars one yet either.

Shatterpoint was controversial from the off. The Legion players didn't want it for obvious reasons, the bigger scale wasn't appealing to the GW crowd, it was too much of a hobby project for most board gamers. All bad mojo combined seemingly made a lot of even the people who would have bought into it stop and go "hm I'm going to wait and see how it shakes out..." which only hurt the sales further.

MCP's main issue right now seems to be stock, but as far as controversies go... well, you could have much worse ones. Not frontloading the game with all the A-Listers and instead having a mix of the A/B/C/D-listers throughot probably points to a plan for some longevity too.

I'd think given the challenges of trying to reinvigorate Legion and keep it alive, it certainly makes sense for them not to be wasting time and money on a game that never took off. As I overheard one of the guys working at my FLGS say last year, nobody ever seems to touch their Star Wars shelves and nobody they talk to is excited about Star Wars. The hype cycle has already come and gone and been milked pretty well by previous game releases.

Shatterpoint always felt like a weird game to me. Legion already exists for people who want their SW infantry game fix. Shatterpoint's selling point as a more character-focussed system was fine in principle, but I remember reading the rules for it, wading through pages and pages of arcane, convoluted combat resolution stuff and just going "nope".

It was expensive, run by a company that doesn't have a great history of keeping games going (themselves owned by a company with the same reputation) and really didn't have that instant playability that made games like X-Wing and Imperial Assault, for example, so easy to get into.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ll never forgive them for canning Aramada before they properly explored the Clone Wars era.

X-Wing less so, as being the older game it was already delving into the old EU for new ships. But Armada felt like it looked at its natural home, only for AMG to lob a Molotov through the door,

Seeing how the 2nd hand market is still not cooling down on Armada prices and 3d prints are showing up everywhere it's hard to understand how the game apparently sold badly.

Supply issues meant stores and communities had a hard time building or keeping groups. Demand was there, but stock wasn't.