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Also that missile shuttle thing.

Did they ever get the Cloakshape fighter?

 warboss wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea X-wing had plenty of stuff from the old EU books and the clone wars cartoons even. Including the entire Scum faction.

Clone Wars isn't exactly EU though (or even close to it); the final season was made by (or under) Disney and the showrunner is now the creative head of the whole studio so I doubt it's remotely taboo. Huge chunks of the CIS & GAR models (as well as a lot of Scum as you say) in Legion and Shatterpoint are based on CW content. Unless you mean the Micro-Series of course...

E wing, K wing, Z-95, YT-2400, TIE defender/advanced/phantom/punisher, Hwk 290, and Star Viper just going off of my memory of both the old EU as well as X-Wing releases but there were probably more. I was very happy they expanded so deep into the EU lore for additional ships once the trilogy ones had models. My only regretis that they never made a TIE Predator.

I haven't checked specifically, but I think that entire list of originally EU (aka non-canon "Legends")ships have all been made "Canon" via appearances in some sort of Start Wars media post 2014. I think allot of folks don't realize that almost anything (though not quite everything) published post 2014 is Canon and tons of the best stuff from the EU/Legends has been reintroduced that way.

 Eilif wrote:

I haven't checked specifically, but I think that entire list of originally EU (aka non-canon "Legends")ships have all been made "Canon" via appearances in some sort of Start Wars media post 2014. I think allot of folks don't realize that almost anything (though not quite everything) published post 2014 is Canon and tons of the best stuff from the EU/Legends has been reintroduced that way.

Quite possible. I haven't really followed Disney Star Wars as closely as I'd have expected but I do recall seeing an E-wing I think land on a highway in front of a speeder during an Ashokha show trailer. That said.. I'd be more interested in how many were still only EU whether before or after the culling by Disney when they appeared in the game.

Expanded Universe spaceships are different to EU characters, though. A vessel can fit in with whatever Disney's story is now, since all it does is fly around and shoot things. If you tried to add, say, Mara Jade to a skirmish game though, you'd have people asking questions.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Expanded Universe spaceships are different to EU characters, though. A vessel can fit in with whatever Disney's story is now, since all it does is fly around and shoot things. If you tried to add, say, Mara Jade to a skirmish game though, you'd have people asking questions.

I have questions... . One of three different ones they released for that skirmish game though admittedly that's was before.the Disney Dark Times.

https://www.minisgallery.com/index.php?id=2967&task=image&imageName=mara-jade-jedi

That's pre-Disney I assume though?

 LunarSol wrote:
That's pre-Disney I assume though?

You're too quick! I was just editing the post.to include that, lol.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Expanded Universe spaceships are different to EU characters, though. A vessel can fit in with whatever Disney's story is now, since all it does is fly around and shoot things. If you tried to add, say, Mara Jade to a skirmish game though, you'd have people asking questions.

That’s a good point there. Hardware and settings are one thing, characters potentially another. But then again, in terms of broader license holders I’m fairly sure Hasbro has continued to produce the odd Old EU figure?

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
All that stuff predates the Disney acquisition though. I'm not really down on the change, but I'm aware it's INCREDIBLY unlikely to see my beloved HWK show up again any time soon.

It is technically within current canon (they show up on the Marvel Star Wars comics which are valid, if of inconsistent quality).


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Slipspace wrote:
There was some sort of restriction from Disney/LF at some point over the EU stuff for licensed products. I think that's why we never got TIE Avengers in X-Wing, for example.

It's been gradually eroded as more and more EU stuff appears in more recent Disney shows. I think it's more that they don't want a "new" thing from their shows overshadowed by an appearance in a random miniatures game or video game before they get a chance to do it themselves.

Funnily enough there are units in Legion that have been made explicitly as original things (on paper) by AMG with LFL approval. The Riot Control Squad, whilst heavily influenced by the riot army troopers from Andor (and the stun-baton wielding scout troopers from Jedi Fallen Order which pre-date them and is its own example of licenced products being allowed some creativity) are, strictly speaking, original creations for the miniature game. There's a unit of Rebel troops coming later in the year which are similar in approach. Fleeting examples but they do happen.

The Shore Trooper Mortar unit for Legion, and Imperial Raider for X-Wing were also original creations that FFG made with LFL's blessing.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
All that stuff predates the Disney acquisition though. I'm not really down on the change, but I'm aware it's INCREDIBLY unlikely to see my beloved HWK show up again any time soon.

It is technically within current canon (they show up on the Marvel Star Wars comics which are valid, if of inconsistent quality).


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Slipspace wrote:
There was some sort of restriction from Disney/LF at some point over the EU stuff for licensed products. I think that's why we never got TIE Avengers in X-Wing, for example.

It's been gradually eroded as more and more EU stuff appears in more recent Disney shows. I think it's more that they don't want a "new" thing from their shows overshadowed by an appearance in a random miniatures game or video game before they get a chance to do it themselves.

Funnily enough there are units in Legion that have been made explicitly as original things (on paper) by AMG with LFL approval. The Riot Control Squad, whilst heavily influenced by the riot army troopers from Andor (and the stun-baton wielding scout troopers from Jedi Fallen Order which pre-date them and is its own example of licenced products being allowed some creativity) are, strictly speaking, original creations for the miniature game. There's a unit of Rebel troops coming later in the year which are similar in approach. Fleeting examples but they do happen.

The Shore Trooper Mortar unit for Legion, and Imperial Raider for X-Wing were also original creations that FFG made with LFL's blessing.

quite a bit in legion, the swamp speeders extra weapons, the riot trooper where a pretty original creation

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Expanded Universe spaceships are different to EU characters, though. A vessel can fit in with whatever Disney's story is now, since all it does is fly around and shoot things. If you tried to add, say, Mara Jade to a skirmish game though, you'd have people asking questions.

That’s a good point there. Hardware and settings are one thing, characters potentially another. But then again, in terms of broader license holders I’m fairly sure Hasbro has continued to produce the odd Old EU figure?

They still regularly reprint EU books and comics too. I suspect the issue is more having them mix with their own stuff.

There's still a fair bit of ground to cover in Shatterpoint though. If all of this years releases were just filling the gaps in the current timeline then ending it after that would make some sort of sense. But they've only just started doing sequel trilogy characters.

 RaptorusRex wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Star Wars in particular has become such a focal point for a really awful section of the internet. Honestly they're largely responsible for it not being fun to be a Star Wars fan anymore. I've blocked most Star Wars content these days. It's much easier to enjoy the new shows and games without the algorithm pandering hate.

I really like Eckhart's Ladder and Corey's Datapad; you should check them out.

I get this chap suggested endlessly.
https://www.youtube.com/@GenerationTech

He is actually a good video producer and is enthusiastic about his vids.

 warboss wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

I haven't checked specifically, but I think that entire list of originally EU (aka non-canon "Legends")ships have all been made "Canon" via appearances in some sort of Start Wars media post 2014. I think allot of folks don't realize that almost anything (though not quite everything) published post 2014 is Canon and tons of the best stuff from the EU/Legends has been reintroduced that way.

Quite possible. I haven't really followed Disney Star Wars as closely as I'd have expected but I do recall seeing an E-wing I think land on a highway in front of a speeder during an Ashokha show trailer. That said.. I'd be more interested in how many were still only EU whether before or after the culling by Disney when they appeared in the game.

My suspicion would be that they were all Cannon before they were included in the game. I could be wrong. FFG was not completely limited by cannon. After all, Imperial Assault had characters unique to it.

As long as you know when a given ship was introduced to X-Wing, you can find out for yourself what it's status was when introduced into the game. Just go to "Wookiepedia". At the top of the article it will show if a given vehicle has Cannon and/or Legends appearances and at the bottom of each Cannon or Legends section there will be references of it's appearances.

WoTC's Star Wars Miniatures game ran from 2004-2010. Uses lots of what is now "Legends" but it predates that designation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Miniatures I do still want a Mara Jade miniature.

 Eilif wrote:

My suspicion would be that they were all Cannon before they were included in the game. I could be wrong. FFG was not completely limited by cannon. After all, Imperial Assault had characters unique to it.

Just using my E-wing example, it came out in 2014 for X-wing as part of wave 4 and it's first canon appearance is listed as a comic in 2018. Obviously, it's actual first (EU) appearance was back in the 1990s.

https://xwing-miniatures.fandom.com/wiki/Products

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/E-wing_starfighter

WoTC's Star Wars Miniatures game ran from 2004-2010. Uses lots of what is now "Legends" but it predates that designation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Miniatures I do still want a Mara Jade miniature.

The old WOTC game has 3-4 (depending on if you count the reissue as a fourth) but they weren't great. I have zero doubt that there are very nice 3d printed sculpts available cheaper and better looking than the old prepaints.

 Eilif wrote:

My suspicion would be that they were all Cannon before they were included in the game. I could be wrong. FFG was not completely limited by cannon. After all, Imperial Assault had characters unique to it.

Basically, there's an approval process for EVERYTHING created. It doesn't matter if the X-Wing is obviously cannon, Disney has to approve the lengths of the S-Foils and direction the of the wiring on everything produced. FFG had just gotten to a point where they felt comfortable with the process to try things that weren't taken from existing sources and built up enough trust to get them approved.

 LunarSol wrote:

Basically, there's an approval process for EVERYTHING created. It doesn't matter if the X-Wing is obviously cannon, Disney has to approve the lengths of the S-Foils and direction the of the wiring on everything produced. FFG had just gotten to a point where they felt comfortable with the process to try things that weren't taken from existing sources and built up enough trust to get them approved.

Agreed and also, after a couple of waves, they were also quite literally running out of ships from the OT and weren't ready to move onto the prequels just yet. There were basically only a half dozen ships suitable for fighter combat scale for each major side in the Galactic civil war onscreen from the OT.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

My suspicion would be that they were all Cannon before they were included in the game. I could be wrong. FFG was not completely limited by cannon. After all, Imperial Assault had characters unique to it.

Basically, there's an approval process for EVERYTHING created. It doesn't matter if the X-Wing is obviously cannon, Disney has to approve the lengths of the S-Foils and direction the of the wiring on everything produced. FFG had just gotten to a point where they felt comfortable with the process to try things that weren't taken from existing sources and built up enough trust to get them approved.

Its what happened with Sidious and legion, they didnt know how to fit him into second edition and didnt think the apporval process he was worth it.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Maybe Shatterpoint could have gone into Legends. Lot of cool stuff there.

My biggest regret about Shatterpoint ceasing production is that we didn't get anything from the KOTOR games. I know it's highly unlikely we would have, given the licence....but still.

 Londinium wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Maybe Shatterpoint could have gone into Legends. Lot of cool stuff there.

My biggest regret about Shatterpoint ceasing production is that we didn't get anything from the KOTOR games. I know it's highly unlikely we would have given the licence....but still.

I feel robbed of the Acolyte twins

 warboss wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

My suspicion would be that they were all Cannon before they were included in the game. I could be wrong. FFG was not completely limited by cannon. After all, Imperial Assault had characters unique to it.

Just using my E-wing example, it came out in 2014 for X-wing as part of wave 4 and it's first canon appearance is listed as a comic in 2018. Obviously, it's actual first (EU) appearance was back in the 1990s.

https://xwing-miniatures.fandom.com/wiki/Products

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/E-wing_starfighter
.

That makes sense. I didn't realize that X-Wing predated the 2014 division between Cannon-and-not. When X-Wing was started in 2012, everything was "canon" by default. Anything released from 2012-2014 was likely proposed and approved before the 2014 division. I have no idea what canon-and-not ships were released after 2014, but it makes sense that a game that already included non-cannon ships would continue to do so.

I would have loved to have seen an EU Shatterpoint expansion for Cade Skywalker, Jariah Syn, Deliah Blue, Darth Talon and Celeste Morne.

I suppose I can just track down .stls of them...the likely exist somewhere in the interwebs.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

My suspicion would be that they were all Cannon before they were included in the game. I could be wrong. FFG was not completely limited by cannon. After all, Imperial Assault had characters unique to it.

Basically, there's an approval process for EVERYTHING created. It doesn't matter if the X-Wing is obviously cannon, Disney has to approve the lengths of the S-Foils and direction the of the wiring on everything produced. FFG had just gotten to a point where they felt comfortable with the process to try things that weren't taken from existing sources and built up enough trust to get them approved.

Its what happened with Sidious and legion, they didnt know how to fit him into second edition and didnt think the apporval process he was worth it.

From what I'd gathered (from the little they'd discuss it), it was LFL who didn't want them to put Palpatine in the second edition for.... reasons(?) as opposed to an AMG decision but we'll probably never really know. At least they've given his special ability to Tarkin.

UK Folks, we're seeing some crazy discounts on Shatterpoint stuff now. I just bought the Ground Cover Terrain Pack for £15 from... sportsdirect.

The core set is almost half price from Dark Sphere I think?!

 Londinium wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Maybe Shatterpoint could have gone into Legends. Lot of cool stuff there.

My biggest regret about Shatterpoint ceasing production is that we didn't get anything from the KOTOR games. I know it's highly unlikely we would have, given the licence....but still.

There was an outside chance given the remake is apparently still on track (so Saber promise at every opportunity...) and Revan and co. have at least appeared in mobile games and the like under Disney's watch.

Star Wars used to be a very popular science fiction series however in recent years many fans complain it has become too politically correct or "woke". Lately they prefer less political series such as Space 1999, Buck Rogers and Star Trek.

Star Trek less political?

Please do not feed the bot.

Is there a big Buck Rogers rival I missed? Or Space 1999?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Star Trek less political?

I am pretty sure that's the joke.