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I'm betting they botch 11th with 40k so I'm going to mostly exit that system and just stick to Old World. Game is almost 2.25 years old and we've had 1 major change to it. I'll take that stability over the other main core games.

 nathan2004 wrote:
I'm betting they botch 11th with 40k so I'm going to mostly exit that system and just stick to Old World. Game is almost 2.25 years old and we've had 1 major change to it. I'll take that stability over the other main core games.

Assuming it's a .5 iteration there isn't much to both for 11th. The game is currently fairly balanced at a macro level, the core rules generally work in a sensible way, most armies have somethonf they can do to be relevant.

If current army rules remain compatible then the biggest thing I can see them altering is mission formats and terrain. In both cases I cant see it being if any worse than it is now.

Porsenna wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m still hopeful of a Dogs of War/Border Princes addition.

Very much the same (well, maybe I'm a bit more pointed to proper Tilea and Estalia lists, and mercs getting ported over to the border princes) but it would be a crazy surprise to see that happening before Kislev.

Certainly don't expect it before Kislev, not sure whether to expect it after Kislev or whether that's just hope, but it does seem pretty sensible both given the geographical focus, nostalgia, and clear appeal. Arguably the majority of characters from the Regiments of Renown don't fit the timeline, but I'm sure we can collectively ignore that for the moment. Even just a Dogs of War Made to Order could see them just raking up cash surely. Personally would probably be among the most expensive weeks in Warhammer in my life, but I'd be sure to get a complete collection right away as the second hand prices are just insane (and I say that having bought a few of my favourite regiments in recent years...).

I too am excited for Warhammer Fantasy to turn into a mosh pit of human historical parodies and no fantasy races.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I too am excited for Warhammer Fantasy to turn into a mosh pit of human historical parodies and no fantasy races.

Eh. GW needs some lousy excuse for not remaking Tomb Kings skeletons. Might as well be that.

Heresy wise, I’m mostly hopeful for a second wave of Custards, and some toys for Solar Auxilia.

My Marines have of course done really well recently. Most notably getting some serious muscle in the form of the Super Heavies.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
The Old World might ease up a bit for the rest of the year as next january it will be three years old. Mordheim might also make a return...

Time for a second edition of Old World! Maybe compile all those Cathay journals into one big book about the army, and then a second round of those for every army with a new character or unit, then on into Kislev.

Good god no. We could do with an updaten rulebook but i do not like a 40k scenario where you have to adapt to (and buy) new rules every three years. I hope for a 4 year cycle for Old World at least.The rulebook combined with the errata/faqs is pretty good as is if you ask me.

Some extra expansionbooks sounds nice though!

 Apple fox wrote:

Billicus wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Presumably because it sells well. It’s also likely cheap to produce for, as each Warband is a single sprue. And with baked in seasonal availability, you’ve a sales encouragement.

Seasonality is GW's holy grail. You just know the council of suits are drooling at the idea of being able to rotate out models as quickly in all their games as they're doing in Kill Team.

And it's anathema to a hobby game where people might take months to paint their models and only play once or twice a year, and is why I've largely given up on actually *playing* their games and just treat them as a boutique model company for mini agnostic games now.

I didn’t think people actually played kill team. joking a bit, but I kinda just think of it as a 40K delivery system. So they can put releases out as a single box for some factions. Would be curious if they have good numbers for it separate from 40K

We're still playing KT21, I have all the books and killzones ever released for it. The only thing we took from KT24 were the solo/co-op rules, which have been trivial to conver to KT21. Couldnt give a toss about KT27, I'm sticking with KT21. the game still plays as well as it ever did.

 tauist wrote:

 Apple fox wrote:

Billicus wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Presumably because it sells well. It’s also likely cheap to produce for, as each Warband is a single sprue. And with baked in seasonal availability, you’ve a sales encouragement.

Seasonality is GW's holy grail. You just know the council of suits are drooling at the idea of being able to rotate out models as quickly in all their games as they're doing in Kill Team.

And it's anathema to a hobby game where people might take months to paint their models and only play once or twice a year, and is why I've largely given up on actually *playing* their games and just treat them as a boutique model company for mini agnostic games now.

I didn’t think people actually played kill team. joking a bit, but I kinda just think of it as a 40K delivery system. So they can put releases out as a single box for some factions. Would be curious if they have good numbers for it separate from 40K

We're still playing KT21, I have all the books and killzones ever released for it. The only thing we took from KT24 were the solo/co-op rules, which have been trivial to conver to KT21. Couldnt give a toss about KT27, I'm sticking with KT21. the game still plays as well as it ever did.

I do hear some people wanting to give that another go on occasion here. I really like it, even if it had some weird little things. It’s just not high on the list,

I feel like KT24 overcorrected a bit too far from KT21. While the cover rules got simplified, the weapon range changes made the game more clunky. End result being that KT24 plays slower than KT21 and doesnt feel inherently like an improvement overall. IMHO

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I too am excited for Warhammer Fantasy to turn into a mosh pit of human historical parodies and no fantasy races.

Haha, well said
Hopefully they return legacy factions to TOW.
Also we need Vampirates.

In regards to the adepticon show, I’m very interested to see what New orks are on the horizon (hopefully return to 4-5ed style, beast snaggaz and friends are lame imho)
Were there also rumors of the Scouring DLC? If Mk7 get Horus Heresy treatment, I’d be very keen on building a mid hammer army. But it’ll probably be plastic firefighters/flamers and Ogryns.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I too am excited for Warhammer Fantasy to turn into a mosh pit of human historical parodies and no fantasy races.

Assuming that's in reference to Dogs of War, I was rather under the impression that the giants, dwarfs, halflings, orcs, goblins, skinks, ogres, elves, etcetera were fantasy races rather than humans. Heck, the Cursed Company remains pretty unique in giving undead versions of fantasy races rather than endless legions of only human skeletons...

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I too am excited for Warhammer Fantasy to turn into a mosh pit of human historical parodies and no fantasy races.

Assuming that's in reference to Dogs of War, I was rather under the impression that the giants, dwarfs, halflings, orcs, goblins, skinks, ogres, elves, etcetera were fantasy races rather than humans. Heck, the Cursed Company remains pretty unique in giving undead versions of fantasy races rather than endless legions of only human skeletons...

It's in reference to the expectations and wishlisting above that the next ToW factions would be: Kislev, Tilea, Estalia & Dogs of War.

Video from Valrak on the teaser video and what it might be telling us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT7gv5ndY9g

There were already rumors of a new Old World Starter set along with a rulebook that has all the Erratas and rules changes from last year. Not a new edition and if Old World Falls into the same 3 year cycle I will be super pissed. 3 years is already too damn quick.

Besides, teaser doesn't even mention Old World for anything so I think GW wants to focus on 40k.

FYI Middle-Earth will be in there as well as confirmed by Troke

I guess we'll see next week which of the two sources is correct about that.

Awwwww poo.

No staying up to watch it for me. Need to be in the office which means a Stupid O’Clock start.

Ah well. I’ll be in well before anyone else, so will have a sneaky review whilst being paid for it.

Billicus wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Presumably because it sells well. It’s also likely cheap to produce for, as each Warband is a single sprue. And with baked in seasonal availability, you’ve a sales encouragement.

Seasonality is GW's holy grail. You just know the council of suits are drooling at the idea of being able to rotate out models as quickly in all their games as they're doing in Kill Team.

And it's anathema to a hobby game where people might take months to paint their models and only play once or twice a year, and is why I've largely given up on actually *playing* their games and just treat them as a boutique model company for mini agnostic games now.

Which is why it works well in Underworlds, which treads the line between hobby game and board game.

Yay! MESBG confirmed.

I'm guessing it's going to be a journal for The Hobbit.

 tauist wrote:
I feel like KT24 overcorrected a bit too far from KT21. While the cover rules got simplified, the weapon range changes made the game more clunky. End result being that KT24 plays slower than KT21 and doesnt feel inherently like an improvement overall. IMHO

From my perspective, KT 24's biggest failure was the removal of Spec Ops. The missions for Spec Ops (ie. the Ops themselves) weren't excellent, but the progression system and all of the little world building/ faction expenading extras were excellent, and KT feels empty without them.

SamusDrake wrote:
Yay! MESBG confirmed.

I'm guessing it's going to be a journal for The Hobbit.

Who knows? They've been so random with the releases lately. I mean who would have guessed plastic Shelob?

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Once I’ve bought some models? They’re mine. And whether you paint them or not, once assembled they’re usable near as dammit forever. The more we use them, the more value we get from the initial investment.

Obviously the models are not being smashed. But some people are more gameplay-oriented than others.

I have a Battlefoam 720 that is completely filled with Crusader Squads, land speeders, box dreadnoughts, and bikes that I can no longer use. Getting 1/3 of your forces squatted sucks.


I'll be at AdeptiCon, but we'll have to skip the event again. We went to it one year, but we usually arrive Wednesday night after driving all day and I'm pooped. I play 8 Am to 8 PM Thursday - Saturday, and I need my beauty sleep.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:


Who knows? They've been so random with the releases lately. I mean who would have guessed plastic Shelob?

I was surprised myself as I didn't expect to see neither Gollum nor Shelob until the release of The Hunt for Gollum in December 2027, but one can't overlook the fact that the film was delayed from this December...

 Apple fox wrote:
Would be curious if they have good numbers for it separate from 40K

Pretty sure they don't. Trying to get such numbers is seemingly why they've been separating ranges so much elsewhere, like booting all heresy models from 30k, or booting beastmen from AoS.

If the 11th launch box really does contain Orks, I hope they don’t mess them up.

They’ll be bigger (of course), but the faces/musculature/shape matters. I’m of the old school that considers the Brian Nielsen sculpts the only true Orks. They reused them (sometime resculpted around the edges) in later kits like the storm boys (even the newer ones) and of course in Black Reach.

The latest orks (like the odd game-illegal boyz kit) just don’t look right. Too smooth, too bland, teef too small.

Bring back propa Orks!

 kronk wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Once I’ve bought some models? They’re mine. And whether you paint them or not, once assembled they’re usable near as dammit forever. The more we use them, the more value we get from the initial investment.

Obviously the models are not being smashed. But some people are more gameplay-oriented than others.

I have a Battlefoam 720 that is completely filled with Crusader Squads, land speeders, box dreadnoughts, and bikes that I can no longer use. Getting 1/3 of your forces squatted sucks.


I'll be at AdeptiCon, but we'll have to skip the event again. We went to it one year, but we usually arrive Wednesday night after driving all day and I'm pooped. I play 8 Am to 8 PM Thursday - Saturday, and I need my beauty sleep.

There are some people that really want just 30k models in their 30k games but plenty who are fine (like me) with OldHammer generally. This sounds like you have at least enough for Zone Mortalis games, all of those models have rules either in the main liber (check New Recruit if you don't want to buy in right away) or in a legacy PDF on the warcom site (boxnaughts are called Castra Ferrum Dreads).

30k isn't everyone's cup of tea though, just an option.

"Warhammer+"....

.....calling it, you'll need a subscription to read the digital rulebooks soon....

Obviously Necromunda doesn't have the interest/sales to warrant any new releases. It is shame as the 'hanger-on' and 'Aranthian Succession' was positive extension/ continuance to the game and I thought it was 'going places'.

Anyway, still a fun game.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Heresy wise, I’m mostly hopeful for a second wave of Custards, and some toys for Solar Auxilia.

My Marines have of course done really well recently. Most notably getting some serious muscle in the form of the Super Heavies.

Custodes could go for either an elite wave with Terminators and Telemon, a fast wave with bikes and Pallas attack, or a Sisters wave with the Aquisitor and 2-3 new sisters units and characters.

Solar Aux need their Ogryns, then Aurox/Carnodon and Rapiers and Superheavies. Jumppack troops would be cool as well.

Marines need their fast stuff- bikes, landspeeders, javelins, sabres, fliers.

Mechanicum need a Tech Priest character kit, then Domitar/Arlatax, Vorax, and the alt Myrmadons, and hopefully some Ordo Reductor heavy artillery tanks of some sort.