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 NAVARRO wrote:

 Insularum wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Preview potato photos!

Can make out something around 20ish spacemarine minis there?

Auspex Tactics has a decent breakdown of the pics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeJqCtJ-mL8

Looks like 10 Intercessors, 5 VanVets, 3 Gravis Devastators, Jump Chaplain, Captain, Ancient, Librarian, plus potentially also the not at all pictured Land Speeder.

Sounds about right. Seems like a safe bet model wise but curious about the land speeder.
Its weird discontinuing the Intercessors kit to redo intercessors, I hope they dont fall into the trap of snap fit only models and we never get multipart.

Back when intercessors first came out they were only snapfit as part of the 9th(?) ed box set, but the multi-part came out after. I bet it'll be the same here.

Same with the gravis devastators, I would expect single loadout snapfit minis and then a multi-part kit later. Same way eradicators were when they came out.

Intercessors were 8th and Assault Intercessors in 9th.

Intercessors got gradually added to with various Chapter-upgrade sprues over the course of 8th adding Power Weapon, Power Fist, etc. options for the Sergeant and the multi-part kit shortly after launch added the underslung Grenade Launcher that wasn't on the push-fit (though it was trivial to convert).

On the other hand, Outriders were in the 9th edition box and never got a multi-part kit nor any equipment options.

 Asmodai wrote:
On the other hand, Outriders were in the 9th edition box and never got a multi-part kit nor any equipment options.

And it's a remarkably terrible kit because of it. I missed out on Indomitus and so was gravely disappointed when I bought the Outriders box and found there is literally not a single option, not even a helmet for the Sergeant. I had to use a spare.

It really does not compare well to the bike kits of most other factions, except in size I suppose.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:
On the other hand, Outriders were in the 9th edition box and never got a multi-part kit nor any equipment options.

And it's a remarkably terrible kit because of it. I missed out on Indomitus and so was gravely disappointed when I bought the Outriders box and found there is literally not a single option, not even a helmet for the Sergeant. I had to use a spare.

It really does not compare well to the bike kits of most other factions, except in size I suppose.

Even the chaos bikers?

Dudeface wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:
On the other hand, Outriders were in the 9th edition box and never got a multi-part kit nor any equipment options.

And it's a remarkably terrible kit because of it. I missed out on Indomitus and so was gravely disappointed when I bought the Outriders box and found there is literally not a single option, not even a helmet for the Sergeant. I had to use a spare.

It really does not compare well to the bike kits of most other factions, except in size I suppose.

Even the chaos bikers?

At least the Chaos Bikers are multi-part and easy to include options from the Legionaries kit.

Eh. It is pretty trivial to swap an outrider arm or head, and a bike riding body has by necessity rather limited poses to begin with. It is just that in the rules the unit has no equipment options, so there is not that much you can do. But sure, a multipart kit would be an improvident, but only a marginal one if the rules remained the same.

 Crimson wrote:
Eh. It is pretty trivial to swap an outrider arm or head, and a bike riding body has by necessity rather limited poses to begin with. It is just that in the rules the unit has no equipment options, so there is not that much you can do. But sure, a multipart kit would be an improvident, but only a marginal one if the rules remained the same.

Ruleswise: If they are taking out the option of the ATV to tag along, that leaves the squad rather unidimensional in purpose. They need, minimum, the option of the squad sergeant to take a plasma pistol, upgraded CCW, or BOTH. One guy in the squad with an upgraded ranged weapon of some kind would be nice. And dare I hope, the return of the attack bike in it's wonderful 3-wheel form (that would even calm us down from the loss of the ATV, as we could counts-as).

GW is somehow managing to sell me yet another flag guy, after the third or so I've painted and the second I am currently willing to use on the TT (pic related).

Dudeface wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:
On the other hand, Outriders were in the 9th edition box and never got a multi-part kit nor any equipment options.

And it's a remarkably terrible kit because of it. I missed out on Indomitus and so was gravely disappointed when I bought the Outriders box and found there is literally not a single option, not even a helmet for the Sergeant. I had to use a spare.

It really does not compare well to the bike kits of most other factions, except in size I suppose.

Even the chaos bikers?

Bikers coming to mind is specifically why I said "most" rather than "all".

 RaptorusRex wrote:
GW is somehow managing to sell me yet another flag guy, after the third or so I've painted and the second I am currently willing to use on the TT (pic related).

By my count, there are no fewer than SEVEN Space Marine Ancient minis available, including three that are Chapter-specific (one for Black Templars and two for Ultramarines).

 BorderCountess wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
GW is somehow managing to sell me yet another flag guy, after the third or so I've painted and the second I am currently willing to use on the TT (pic related).

By my count, there are no fewer than SEVEN Space Marine Ancient minis available, including three that are Chapter-specific (one for Black Templars and two for Ultramarines).

Yeah, I'm not complaining as someone who loves to freehand banners, but there certainly is a lot of flag guys.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
GW is somehow managing to sell me yet another flag guy, after the third or so I've painted and the second I am currently willing to use on the TT (pic related).

By my count, there are no fewer than SEVEN Space Marine Ancient minis available, including three that are Chapter-specific (one for Black Templars and two for Ultramarines).

Hopefully 11th sees the return of Brother Bethor, the OG Ancient.

GW is over-compensating for taking away the glory of the back banner/

Mordian Glory rumor:

There will be a MAX unit coherency of 9 inches. In other words, no model in your unit can be more than 9 inches way from any other model in your unit. No more conga-lines of guys.




Also suspicions that the Taurox and Leman Russ will be going to Legends

that'd make ork and tyranid armies problematic.

 gigasnail wrote:
that'd make ork and tyranid armies problematic.

A unit of 20 guys, all on 25mm bases, would max out at 28 inches wide under current coherency rules (and be hella vulnerable to loosing coherency). Realistically I'd put a unit like that at around 20 inches wide. Under these proposed changes they'd max-out at about 11 inches. So, yeah, a bit more condensed.

And if there were units to get an exception to a 9” coherency rule, tyranid horde gribbles and ork boys would probably be at the top of the list to get one. If normal is 9, I could see them getting 12.

Every rule gets exceptions somewhere.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Leman Russ will be going to Legends

That would be nuts. Though trimming the turret options makes sense.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Mordian Glory rumor:

There will be a MAX unit coherency of 9 inches. In other words, no model in your unit can be more than 9 inches way from any other model in your unit. No more conga-lines of guys.




Also suspicions that the Taurox and Leman Russ will be going to Legends

I'm okay with conga lines going away; they feel too gamey and try-hardy to me. The Taurox being replaced by the Centaur feels... fine? But I can't imagine squatting the Leman Russ.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Leman Russ will be going to Legends

That would be nuts. Though trimming the turret options makes sense.

Yeah, the Leman Russ is pretty damn iconic to the IG line. I get there's a lot of competing chassis nowadays but I'd figure they'd legend the artillery units first before the Leman Russ given how GW doesn't know how to balance indirect weapons. Losing the LR would be a big blow to a lot of Armoured Company guard players.

Taurox I can see being legend'ed given the Hippogryph and Centaur ATV's step a fair bit on its shoes.

Surely the Leman Russ can't get consigned to history? Or was the Rogal Dorn the Primaris Russ? Thinking about it, it might actually be true. The 2 new Guard vehicles take their design cues from the Rogal Dorn, not the Russ. Meanwhile, the Heresy era Russ got a new kit which is vastly better than the WH40k version (but which wasn't intended to be used in WH40k).

If this is correct, then I think the Chimera will also get the chop. It's never been a very good design, and it will look very out of place next to the newer vehicles.

What I'm most worried about is that the starter troops units (Intercessors for the Marines, Boyz for the Orks) will, in the box, get bog standard gun loadouts, and then when those kits release separately, they'll include another sprue with the special weapons like they did with the Termagants. And of course, that means your starter units are chumped compared to the full box units since all options are free now. That one made me very salty with 10th and is a (small) part of the reason I ended up selling my Nids. Absolutely predatory on GW's part.

And for the love of the Emperor, they had better NOT squat the Leman Russ Battle Tank. That machine is an iconic part of the Astra Militarum range, kind of like Crisis suits are for Tau or the Wave Serpent for Aeldari. I could see a new kit coming out for it that updates the aesthetic somewhat, but it just doesn't seem like they would just straight up delete it from the range. Tauroxes, on the other hand, can get bent. Ugly things. Although I feel bad for anyone with a bunch of them kicking around if they did get the axe.

If they can squat tactical marines then I totally can see the Russ going.

Given that the Russ is the iconic IG battle tank I really can't see it being retired. Maybe the kit will get a refresh. Tacticals are a completely different case. The writing's been in the wall since 8th edition with Firstborn and we've seen Sternguard and Assault Marines get replaced with direct Primaris equivalents and now VV. Anyone expecting Tacticals to survive into 11th was in dreamland.

I don't see the Dorn as an equivalent situation at all. The Dorn fills in the "not quite super-heavy" gap between LR and Baneblade, much like the Land Raider does for SM.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
If they can squat tactical marines then I totally can see the Russ going.

There's a logical in lore and present setting reason for tactical squads going to legends. There isn't anything about a redesign of the russ, a shortage of russ parts, a new mechanicus/guard leader dictating russes go mothball and so on.

I wouldn’t mind a refresh of the Russ chassis. Make the main battle cannon slightly less ridiculously oversized, give the skirts some articulation so it at least looks like there might be some suspension under there, that sort of thing.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I wouldn’t mind a refresh of the Russ chassis. Make the main battle cannon slightly less ridiculously oversized, give the skirts some articulation so it at least looks like there might be some suspension under there, that sort of thing.

If it's not ridiculously oversized, it's not a Leman Russ.

Personally, if they're tapping into a retro vibe harkening back to 2nd Ed, I'd love a follow up Bunker Assault mission in White Dwarf. The issue with the card bunker was one of my first WDs. The recent MDF ones from TT scratch an itch but I love my card ones.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Mordian Glory rumor:

There will be a MAX unit coherency of 9 inches. In other words, no model in your unit can be more than 9 inches way from any other model in your unit. No more conga-lines of guys.

Oooh nicking rules from OPR? I like what it's aiming to accomplish, even if it doesn't seem practical for large units on GW giganto-bases.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Russ went to Legends and the 40k model was discontinued, with the newer 30K Solar Auxilia model remaining.

Do we know Legends will still be a thing in 11th?

beast_gts wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the Russ went to Legends and the 40k model was discontinued, with the newer 30K Solar Auxilia model remaining.

Do we know Legends will still be a thing in 11th?

Considering GW management is on a huge "split the product lines" drive I would not expect that at all right now. Unless GW reverses that move they are almost dead set on splitting the lines. About the only army that's new that is bucking that trend is Custodes; everything else is being firmly split. I fully expect in the fullness of time to see Demons do the same thing with perhaps only the Greater Demon models remaining as a cross-game models. Though I'd expect any new named variations that come along to be split.