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A friend of mine plays Orks, I play Marines so I can see myself splitting this box easy enough. Especially since they are Blood Angels.

Those are nice Boyz

My impression is the marine half feels less exciting than the Marines that came with the Tyranid set. They are very good models but they feel very - plain - at the same time. The only one that feels like its got "launch set flare" is the chaplin.

That said they are a very solid force for BA so I'm sure BA fans will be very happy to get a very solid core!



Ork half honestly looks awesome and far more exciting. And I say that as a non-ork fan (in models).


Interesting to see that GW has split the BRB into two separate books; this seems to be a pathway they are on, though I was surprised to hear that they won't do a separate print run of the lore part.
Thankfully I know stock will be easy to get as there will be loads of split kits and people wanting to offload the books; but still that's the only surprise for me

I imagine that the rulebook that comes out later will be a hardback lore+rules. It would be great if the paperback little book was to go on regular sale.

On crusade:

The second deck might help add some back?
This exciting new deck lets you and your fellow players link your games of Warhammer 40,000 together into a grand campaign for the future of Armageddon, or any other war zone. Taking place over three campaign phases, these dynamic cards set out briefings for individual Alliances, assign Agendas to complete over the course of multiple games, and reward standout units with Upgrades that persist throughout the campaign.
Each of the three Alliances has nine unique Agendas they can try to score during their games, and doing so earns them a special card that affects the end of the campaign. They’ll also vie for control of critical locations on the planet, each of which gives the controlling Alliance special rules that will affect future games and adds thematic rules to the battlefield, such as dangerous rockfalls and crumbling ruins that damage units sheltering inside.
This is the easiest way ever to set up a Warhammer 40,000 campaign, removing the bookkeeping, and you can run an entire campaign in a weekend.


Sounds like it hits some of the points of crusade? We’ll find out when we get more info. Sliver of hope.

 Nevelon wrote:
On crusade:

The second deck might help add some back?
This exciting new deck lets you and your fellow players link your games of Warhammer 40,000 together into a grand campaign for the future of Armageddon, or any other war zone. Taking place over three campaign phases, these dynamic cards set out briefings for individual Alliances, assign Agendas to complete over the course of multiple games, and reward standout units with Upgrades that persist throughout the campaign.
Each of the three Alliances has nine unique Agendas they can try to score during their games, and doing so earns them a special card that affects the end of the campaign. They’ll also vie for control of critical locations on the planet, each of which gives the controlling Alliance special rules that will affect future games and adds thematic rules to the battlefield, such as dangerous rockfalls and crumbling ruins that damage units sheltering inside.
This is the easiest way ever to set up a Warhammer 40,000 campaign, removing the bookkeeping, and you can run an entire campaign in a weekend.


Sounds like it hits some of the points of crusade? We’ll find out when we get more info. Sliver of hope.

Seems like a simplified version - which is perfectly appropriate for a starter box.

The rules are close enough anyway, that most of the existing 10th stuff will port over just fine with minimal clean-up. A new product pipeline and active support does help with recruitment though.

Well Orks are absolutely show stealers, these marines are best ones so far since 8. ed.

Simply put, these marines look much more individual then before and not some Mk. X clone trooper.

i'd be interested to see where the rule book(s) get printed

splitting it in half might be being done to let them use somewhere in the UK/Europe rather than China

Got to say this is a great box all round. The Orks are the clear winners they are just fantastic models.

Orks are absolutely amazing.

Primaris are …okay?

I guess it makes sense that the 5th Company have a relic banner for the Armageddon campaign, when this is the first time they've fought there..?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
i'd be interested to see where the rule book(s) get printed

splitting it in half might be being done to let them use somewhere in the UK/Europe rather than China

Huh. That got me thinking.

There are 2 books in this box. One is a very Armageddon specific campaign book. The other is a small, slimline rulebook. Do we expect to get the full lore dump for the universe? The history, briefs on all the factions, gallery of minis, etc? The stuff that normally fills half of the massive tomes that rulebooks have been in the past?

That’s been a core include on the big rule book for a very long time...

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 skrulnik wrote:
I notice there's only 10 grots & they share sprue with the boyz.
That also means there is only 5 real poses/upper body swaps, because the heads seem one piece with the arms.

I hadn't caught that, so during Grot week they really did show the only five fully unique Grots in the box
That's a bit dissapointing, and I'm not sure if a separate new Grot kit is in the cards.

Wild this is also apparently using swappable legs... and at least one arm?

Something I don't think anyone here has pointed out: the snippet of the Captain's datasheet we can see on the social media posts refers to them presumably being able to lead a "Tactical Sq", with the rest of "Squad" being cut off by the Chaplain datasheet.

So, Tactical Squad not dead?

 Nevelon wrote:


There are 2 books in this box. One is a very Armageddon specific campaign book. The other is a small, slimline rulebook. Do we expect to get the full lore dump for the universe? The history, briefs on all the factions, gallery of minis, etc? The stuff that normally fills half of the massive tomes that rulebooks have been in the past?

That’s been a core include on the big rule book for a very long time...

In 5th edition, Assault on Black Reach starter box had a small rule book that did not have the lore. However, the standard rulebook (sold separately) had all of the lore and faction summaries and pretty pictures. I expect the same for 11th edition. I really miss those smaller 5th edition books.

This box is not going to be cheap.

I really enjoyed the chilled overview of the minis, GW did a good event here.

The minis overall have some really good designs, they took the starters push fits into another level and even with some head options etc.
Not going to lie that I was expecting to be underwhelmed but quite the contrary, this box looks a very solid hobby boost for all kinds of hobbyists.
The Diorama battle duels is such a nice touch and the individual fixed poses have such great dynamic.

I cannot personally justify this box because at this particular point in my journey I'm not caring for the paper content and neither the Orks basically 2/3 of the box is not for me.

Positive vibes all around. This is a good box.

You know what, these are the first new Orks I genuinely like since the early 90ies Kev Adams stuff

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Something I don't think anyone here has pointed out: the snippet of the Captain's datasheet we can see on the social media posts refers to them presumably being able to lead a "Tactical Sq", with the rest of "Squad" being cut off by the Chaplain datasheet.

So, Tactical Squad not dead?

Could just be edition launch shuffles, like how 10th edition brought the Primaris Company Champion out of Legends for a few months, before booting him right back into it when the Company Heroes dropped.

I really, really hope that the new Land Speeder has the option to replace the multimelta with a Heavy bolter. I'm not too mad if I have to add missiles to my old Land Speeders, but yanking off the Heavy Bolter and putting on a Multimelta would be a pain in the butt.

I really like the speeder. It combines the best qualities of the old plastic one and the really old metal one (which I love). I think that is a home run.

Also great to see wartrek back. I remember playing my buddy who had a bunch of the old metal ones. Hopefully for you ork players they will bring back the flamer trek as well.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I really, really hope that the new Land Speeder has the option to replace the multimelta with a Heavy bolter. I'm not too mad if I have to add missiles to my old Land Speeders, but yanking off the Heavy Bolter and putting on a Multimelta would be a pain in the butt.

The TML/HB speeder was one of my go-to favorites from the old days. Although a chunk of 2nd ed MM/HF would also hit the table from time to time. So glad to see the old style speeder back in the game.

The fact that the one in this box can swap the chin gun for a HF and has something to help it go on a non-unique scenic base does not give me a lot of hope we are going to get more options. I suspect we will just see this sprue boxed and sold separately.

Although I’d love to be wrong.

If Firstborn are moving to Legends, Intercessors and assault intercession could go back to just tactical and assault squads

The trak and orkmech were definitely the highlight of the box.
The marines have been no more exciting than any other marines at any point in time. There must be marines, so we've got more marines.
Except for the land speeder. Somehow it looks more toylike than the nearly 30 years old 3rd edition one in my eyes.

It’s the missiles for me.

Might just be Oldfartitis, but they look tacked on, like a kids enthusiastic but inexperienced conversion.

And speaking of Oldfartitis? Is it just me not being that used to modern Orks, or do these lads, especially the big guys look bulkier and more girthy in the chest?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Something I don't think anyone here has pointed out: the snippet of the Captain's datasheet we can see on the social media posts refers to them presumably being able to lead a "Tactical Sq", with the rest of "Squad" being cut off by the Chaplain datasheet.

So, Tactical Squad not dead?

Possibly. It could also just be a launch box thing. A lot of the rules in the 10th edition box were later overwritten by the Codex release.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


And speaking of Oldfartitis? Is it just me not being that used to modern Orks, or do these lads, especially the big guys look bulkier and more girthy in the chest?

They do. Just like the Warboss they showed off a while ago, their chest is much bigger relative to their arms in particular than they used to be.

Loving the Ork stuff

Space Marines - less than Meh

Call me old but all the nu-marines / Primaris stuff seems so busy yet so devoid of character and flavor. Its like they have tried to make beige more interesting by adding more beige

I have a friend who wants to get into 40k, I figured the release of a new edition was a good starting point so would jump in for the first time since 7th.

But this box is just a bit underwhelming.

The orks have odd proportions and the walker is awful. And why do they need two boss models?

The marines are just a bit plain.
The characters all have too much tactical rock.
The new speeder is a half way house between the classic and the terrible primaris ones.
The heavy bolter dudes have a terrible sergeant.

Nobody is going to be picking up multiple copies of this to build a force, like the good old days.

I'll wait and see what the price is, but this doesn't feel as good an offering as leviathan was and I passed on that.

 LunarSol wrote:

 goffnob deffsmakka wrote:

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 skrulnik wrote:
I notice there's only 10 grots & they share sprue with the boyz.
That also means there is only 5 real poses/upper body swaps, because the heads seem one piece with the arms.

I hadn't caught that, so during Grot week they really did show the only five fully unique Grots in the box
That's a bit dissapointing, and I'm not sure if a separate new Grot kit is in the cards.

Wild this is also apparently using swappable legs... and at least one arm?

Seems like six upper bodies and five sets of legs.

In regards to the Wartrakk, I love that it's back and reminiscent of the Gorkamorka one (and not too different in scale even). But man, I would kill to have a model of the one from Dawn of War 1.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

And speaking of Oldfartitis? Is it just me not being that used to modern Orks, or do these lads, especially the big guys look bulkier and more girthy in the chest?

This is effectively the monopose tradeoff. Complex, thick muscles are hard to pull of in HIPS in general, but it can definitely be done in monopose with clamshelf designs.


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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Something I don't think anyone here has pointed out: the snippet of the Captain's datasheet we can see on the social media posts refers to them presumably being able to lead a "Tactical Sq", with the rest of "Squad" being cut off by the Chaplain datasheet.

So, Tactical Squad not dead?

I haven't seen this post. Any link to the picture? The Intercessor card is definitely out there, but I haven't seen anything that shows what the Captain can lead.

EDIT: NVM. Found it. Weird.