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 Ashiraya wrote:
A decent bit, by the looks of it.

https://minicompare.info/?warboss-big-choppa-big-shoota=&warboss-2026-b-choppa-shoota=

Thank you !



The temptation to convert the new plastic one is strong. The hands on the new Warboss look comically small to me. Interesting that they swapped hands for the close combat and ranged weapons. I could see just moving the hands and head over as a possibility. Well for starters anyway.

I am not playing 40K anymore so I have no plans to pre order anything. All of the last time I pre ordered from GW it went pathetical bad. Easier to wait and order at a discount if I do eventually order. I don't really love the new Boys but I could find a spot for them. Big'uns used to be a thing, what ever they were called.

I find myself wondering if they went back to the 2nd edition mission book from that boxed set to put missions themed for Armageddon together for this boxed set.

Someone said there were only 40 models in this starter box. I really hope that was just he Space Marine half.

GW wrote:
The box is so packed that we’re going to need a fair few bullet points to list it all (dakka points, if you will):
23 brand new push-fit Space Marines
38 brand new push-fit Orks
Conveniently sized Core Rules booklet
Armageddon: Operation Imperator lore book
Chapter Approved 2026-27 Mission Deck
Dominatus Narrative Campaign Deck
Armageddon datasheet cards
Armageddon transfer sheet

More then 40 models in the box by a good bit.

Could be wrong, but I kind of think they'll have a bunch of sales even at £200 a box.
Maybe that's too high for "kids walk into GW store, see box, parents walk out £200 lighter".

But I don't think these kits are really aimed at that market.

There's the maths of £200->£160 after a 20% FLGS discount.
Stick the Marine/Ork halves on Ebay for say £100~ each. Add £10~ for the rules/lore/mission cards etc (this will drop off, but should be okay initially).
So you are making £210 from £160 before any fees. Seems reasonable?

Would you buy a Marine/Ork half for £100? You could say no - but ruthlessly if this is because of cost, you are logically never buying anything from GW.

I guess the issue for me is whether it ever gets "this cheap". For the first year or so of 10th, I sort of assumed I'd check on ebay one day, see a Tyranid half of the Leviathan box for £60-65 and think "go on then, that's what GW want for 20 Termagants".
But I never did as the price always seemed to be significantly higher. Say £85-£100. There are lots selling at £125 today - which is a bit crazy, although its long since been OOP and its still a big discount versus buying the kits individually.
If Ork halves are floating around ebay for say £85 I think they are a bit of a no brainer if you are vaguely thinking of ever playing Orks. At say £125 I think its less of a whimsical purchase.

There's also a degree of "but following your own logic, you should just buy a box for £160, sell the Marines for £90-100, and keep the rest, meaning you've got the Orks and rules/mission cards etc for £60-70."
To which I'd say - this is true, but I'm also very lazy. And that's why I want other people to do this for me. Like they did in the good old days.

Well, Assault on Black Reach was 60€ back in the day which is adjusted for inflation ~100€

It had 10 Marines, 5 Terminators, a Dreadnought and a Captain for the Marines
20 Boyz, 5 Nobz, 3 Koptas and a Boss

Compared to this new box that goes into a similar direction, you get more heroes and 3 more Marines, while the Ork side trades Nobz for Grots (so 5 more models but I would value 5 Nobz over 10 Gots) but it is double the price

on the other hand, with that many heroes, the box is worth less the more you buy, for a todays value of 200€ the only model that would have had no use was the 2nd Marine Captain unless you had some extra bits to convert it and with 30 Marines and 60 Orcs you got a nice base for your army for 200 in todays money

There is a reason why 40k gained in popularity during that time, because it was easy and cheap to start.

Now, spending 200€ on a box to know you need to double that to actually play and buying the box a 2nd time isn't really an option (not even talking about parents walking in, being told that for 2 kids to start 2 of those would be good)

I think it'll sell out, I'd be shocked if it doesn't. 40K always sells like gangbusters. I think us here on Dakka are in a minority of people interested in 40K these days.

Did Leviathan sell out? I don't recall that happening. GW made a flock ton of boxes of that one, this one will be made in similarish quantities.

Having looked closer at the Ork models again, they really look like some of the old black and white Ork artwork brought to 3D. While there is still a bit of Blood Bowlism to them, I think its sufficiently dialed down this time (Only the couple bosses have both shoulder guards). While I still think the Kommandos kit is the GOAT Ork plastic kit, these look more agreeable to me than some of the older Ork kits. My only hestitation comes from the snapfit nature - if some or all of the contents later get a multipart kit release, these will be the inferior ones..

I've wanted to build a small Ork army for years, but felt like the infantry models werent to my satisfaction so held off from collecting. These new models make me finally want to start the collection.. which might also be why some people find them not to be to their liking.. They're quite a differrent take to the earlier ones, at least anatomically speaking.. Roided out megabros with small heads

Tyel wrote:
Could be wrong, but I kind of think they'll have a bunch of sales even at £200 a box.

Obviously they will. Half the people here performatively umming and ahhing over whether it's worth it will be reduced to slavering beasts as soon as the pre-orders go up.

For me it's just that they're out of scale with my existing collection. I suppose I could use them as scarboyz or something but I'm not that bothered.

I think they're nice models, but I'm not the customer for this stuff any more.

But if you're doing your plan to have Rogue Trader 40K with modern models then you NEED orks! They're so key to that era.

If they sold it at £100 they could just cripple the competition for a at least a year.

But nah, I bet it’ll be £160.
So all smaller companies, you can relax for now.

Battle for Maccrage was £40, which seemed like a decent price for a starter set. Not cheap, but good gift price. Even though 4ed starter set was way less stuffed, I’d wager it still seemed like an acceptable entry tax. (75 quid in today’s money). 160… that’s a planned purchase at the minimum for a lot of folks.
What I’m getting at is either I’m behind on how big inflation is over 20 years or that GW is banking on an existing customer base rather than little Timmy age 10, who just popped to the shop.

 tauist wrote:
Did Leviathan sell out? I don't recall that happening. GW made a flock ton of boxes of that one, this one will be made in similarish quantities.

The answer I think is "yes" with minor caveats. It sold out online in most of the world about 24-48 hours. (Maybe just 6 in the UK).
Which was better than Indomitus that sold out in about 5 minutes.
I think this was partly because you could only buy 1-2 boxes so scalping was limited (somewhat anyway).

There were boxes floating around FLGSs for a little bit longer. Especially smaller/less well known stores that were offering no discount on RRP. From GWs perspective that is already a sale though. Can't say what the situation was for GW stores but I assume similar.

Don't think for a moment that Armageddon is a 11th ed starter box though. No siree, its a "launch box". I'm sure much more attractively priced, actual starter boxes will follow suit, featuring a limited selection of the same models (traditionally even in several starter "meal" sizes - Small, Medium, Large, Extra Large).

I could actually wait for such a strarter instead, but seeing I want all the Ork Character models of Armageddon, its unlikely they will all be included in any of the starters..

The only models I really want are the Librarian and Chaplain. The Chaplain is badass, and I can never have too many Librarians.

I'd really prefer to wait for the full multi-part Vanguard Veterans to see what options the box includes.

Folks over at B&CS speulate that multipart kits of these Boyz and Grots is highly likely, due to both coming in a shared sprue. This changes everything as far as I'm concerned.

I will probably skip this box after all. I just need 20 Boyz and 40 Grots (2nd ed 40K starter armies worth), and dont want redundancy, and multipart kits will offer superior kitbash/conversion potential over monopose. Learned my lesson from Indomitus, got too many Indomi Termies now and the monoposes will mostly be left unbuilt & unloved

Might still grab the Ork characters individually from ebay. They are that good

 tauist wrote:
Folks over at B&CS speulate that multipart kits of these Boyz and Grots is highly likely, due to both coming in a shared sprue. This changes everything as far as I'm concerned.

I will probably skip this box after all. I just need 20 Boyz and 40 Grots (2nd ed 40K starter armies worth), and dont want redundancy, and multipart kits will offer superior kitbash/conversion potential over monopose.

Might still grab the Ork characters individually from ebay. They are that good

I think a seperate Boyz kit is possible but not guaranteed. Necron Warriors didn't get a seperate kit but also had all weapon options on the sprue (even got a new one) while Termagants did get an additional kit as they were missing weapon options in the Leviathan set. But that one wasn't actually a multipart kit, instead it was only an upgrade sprue with the missing weapopn options bundled with the same Leviathan sprue.
Boyz are missing options with the power klaw for the nob and the big shoota/rokkit launcha special weapons which I don't think they will just cut.
For the Grots if the Runtherd is truly gone then Gretchin aren't missing any options so the only reason for a separate kit would be because they share a sprue with the boys.

What I actually think might happen is that Gretchin will just come with the Boyz in the future in the same way Scarabs are only available with Necron Warriors and Ripper Swarms come with Termagants.
And if that is the case I also don't expect a separate Boyz kit but only an upgrade sprue like for the Termagants with the missing weapon options and maybe 1-2 new poses or new weapons but not a full new multipart kit

It would be very weird for them not to have a proper kit for the core troops choice of one of the armies these days.

Well I wanted to like the Orks, but when I saw them I wasn’t that excited. Their proportions are off, some of the poses look awkward, and they aren’t compatible with any of the existing Ork models. And their choppas just look weedy. My favourites were the Painboy’s assistant, the lieutenant Boss and the Wartrak (which looks genuinely cool). The Dakkarig just seems pointless. Maybe it’ll all grow on me. The Marines are unexciting; the Primaris design has become rather bulbous-looking, like their armour has been inflated.

On the Waaagh Walker? I don’t think they made it clear if the power field is just for itself (lending impressive defense for a light Walker) or still extends to other Mobs.

If the former? Entirely fair enough. Visually it looks like a smaller KFF.

If the latter? It could add some serious muscle to Mobs at range.


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In fact if it gets options at some fyootcha point? Rokkits or Big KFF feels like an option.

Tyel wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Did Leviathan sell out? I don't recall that happening. GW made a flock ton of boxes of that one, this one will be made in similarish quantities.

The answer I think is "yes" with minor caveats. It sold out online in most of the world about 24-48 hours. (Maybe just 6 in the UK).
Which was better than Indomitus that sold out in about 5 minutes.
I think this was partly because you could only buy 1-2 boxes so scalping was limited (somewhat anyway).

There were boxes floating around FLGSs for a little bit longer. Especially smaller/less well known stores that were offering no discount on RRP. From GWs perspective that is already a sale though. Can't say what the situation was for GW stores but I assume similar.

Are you sure about that? I think the very first wave definitely did, but there was stock in both my FLGs (UK) weeks later

Roll Three Dice wrote:
Are you sure about that? I think the very first wave definitely did, but there was stock in both my FLGs (UK) weeks later

Pretty sure. I've gone by own memory and scanning posts on reddit to check I wasn't completely wrong.
Online GW definitely sold out.

I'm UK too. I'd typically go for Dark Sphere (the old store down from Waterloo used to be my go to, which is getting on a bit but still), Wayland Games or Element Games. Sometimes others although only if I'm really hunting for something that's seemingly not available anywhere else.
I'll admit I was covering myself with the caveat of "There were boxes floating around FLGSs for a little bit longer". I think Element Games might have had some until quite late on - but I think they were charging the full fat £150 so its not surprising other stores sold out first.
We are admittedly talking 3 years ago, and I am fully happy to be shown be wrong.

From GW's perspective I don't think they had much stock sitting around.

 Matrindur wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Folks over at B&CS speulate that multipart kits of these Boyz and Grots is highly likely, due to both coming in a shared sprue. This changes everything as far as I'm concerned.

I will probably skip this box after all. I just need 20 Boyz and 40 Grots (2nd ed 40K starter armies worth), and dont want redundancy, and multipart kits will offer superior kitbash/conversion potential over monopose.

Might still grab the Ork characters individually from ebay. They are that good

I think a seperate Boyz kit is possible but not guaranteed. Necron Warriors didn't get a seperate kit but also had all weapon options on the sprue (even got a new one) while Termagants did get an additional kit as they were missing weapon options in the Leviathan set. But that one wasn't actually a multipart kit, instead it was only an upgrade sprue with the missing weapopn options bundled with the same Leviathan sprue.
Boyz are missing options with the power klaw for the nob and the big shoota/rokkit launcha special weapons which I don't think they will just cut.
For the Grots if the Runtherd is truly gone then Gretchin aren't missing any options so the only reason for a separate kit would be because they share a sprue with the boys.

What I actually think might happen is that Gretchin will just come with the Boyz in the future in the same way Scarabs are only available with Necron Warriors and Ripper Swarms come with Termagants.
And if that is the case I also don't expect a separate Boyz kit but only an upgrade sprue like for the Termagants with the missing weapon options and maybe 1-2 new poses or new weapons but not a full new multipart kit

Since these Boyz and Grots will also be included in the 11th edition starter boxes, its a chance I can easily take. Smallest or second smallest starter box at -25% discount will be cheapest way to buy these, should it turn out later that no multipart kit is coming

Roll Three Dice wrote:

Tyel wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Did Leviathan sell out? I don't recall that happening. GW made a flock ton of boxes of that one, this one will be made in similarish quantities.

The answer I think is "yes" with minor caveats. It sold out online in most of the world about 24-48 hours. (Maybe just 6 in the UK).
Which was better than Indomitus that sold out in about 5 minutes.
I think this was partly because you could only buy 1-2 boxes so scalping was limited (somewhat anyway).

There were boxes floating around FLGSs for a little bit longer. Especially smaller/less well known stores that were offering no discount on RRP. From GWs perspective that is already a sale though. Can't say what the situation was for GW stores but I assume similar.

Are you sure about that? I think the very first wave definitely did, but there was stock in both my FLGs (UK) weeks later

My FLGS had 50 extra copies of Leviathan after launch. I'd have to check, but I think there might still be one or two kicking around on the backshelves.

I'd imagine Orks in general and grots in particular will be fairly cheap on ebay.

No offence to ork fans but that seems the pattern in every one of these game boxes. The op-for is always cheap on the secondary market. I think I had like 50 cultists from the Dark Whatever box.

my recollection is that Leviathan sold out via GW and major e-retailers immediately, but it was still possible to buy the set from smaller retailers and via ebay some months later.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the Waaagh Walker? I don’t think they made it clear if the power field is just for itself (lending impressive defense for a light Walker) or still extends to other Mobs.

If the former? Entirely fair enough. Visually it looks like a smaller KFF.

If the latter? It could add some serious muscle to Mobs at range.

They have shown the datasheet shortly and we know its ability. No aura, just a 5++, similar to the morkanaut.

Tyel wrote:

Roll Three Dice wrote:
Are you sure about that? I think the very first wave definitely did, but there was stock in both my FLGs (UK) weeks later

Pretty sure. I've gone by own memory and scanning posts on reddit to check I wasn't completely wrong.
Online GW definitely sold out.

I'm UK too. I'd typically go for Dark Sphere (the old store down from Waterloo used to be my go to, which is getting on a bit but still), Wayland Games or Element Games. Sometimes others although only if I'm really hunting for something that's seemingly not available anywhere else.
I'll admit I was covering myself with the caveat of "There were boxes floating around FLGSs for a little bit longer". I think Element Games might have had some until quite late on - but I think they were charging the full fat £150 so its not surprising other stores sold out first.
We are admittedly talking 3 years ago, and I am fully happy to be shown be wrong.

From GW's perspective I don't think they had much stock sitting around.

Real shame dark sphere waterloo closed during covid. Think its just the shepards bush one now.

I wonder which models with get the chop for the starter sets to follow? They were always great value for money but lost a couple of minis. Maybe the speeder and walker? I love how much the speeder looks old-school, not too many greebles and antennas etc like some of the primaries vehicles.

I'm content for now but a small tier set, containing some Intercessors is something I might be interested in.

Basically what Snord said. I was excited by new Orks in a starter set, right up until I saw the models. Credit where it’s due, the Wartrakk is excellent and the weirdboy, nobs and warboss are ok.
The boyz are dreadful - lumpen and awkwardly posed. Even heads swaps may not save them. The banner nob is also terrible with wonky proportions - he looks stupidly wide, not muscular and threatening. The pain boy is unusable, the musculature on his torso makes no sense.
I’ve been trying to like them as I’ve always loved orks, but these are a mess. Personal opinion of course, but it seems like such a wasted opportunity. Maybe they should have got the AOS team to design them.

I'm in the other camp, I love these new Orks.

Wasn't a big fan of the beastsnagga wave, but these ladz do it for me.

Yeah, some of the ork discourse is just bizarre. These are easily the best looking orks GW has ever made and have trivially the best proportions.

It is like with the minimarines, some people are so used to the distorted and weird proportions of the old models that when the proportions are fixed they see it as odd.