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Has anyone heard any rumors about which 40K codices are gonna get revised for 5th edition first? I figure Space Marines and Orks are a sure thing, but I was wondering about the other armies, specifically the Necron and IG. Any thoughts?

I believe the current rumor mill is Marines, Guard, Space Wolves, Dark Eldar and Necrons. Orks are VERY unlikely, since they just got their new codex, and it's already 5th edition ready.

I would be VERY pissed indeed if the Ork codex wasn't written with 5th edition in mind. It's come out pretty much just after they've finished their revisions for 5th edition (sure, they may not have finished the play testing ... but I'm certain the "bones" of 5th edition were finalised months ago).

I imagine that the Ork codex will require a FAQ to address the minor things that they changed while playtesting 5th edition (at least I HOPE they playtested it ... thoroughly).

Why would they redo Orks, they just got a new codex and I'm sure they had 5th in mind when developing the list.

Space Marines will of course be redone, then who knows. Sounds like Dark Eldar, IG, and Necrons all need to be as they have the older codices.

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Ooops...frogot the Ork codex has just been re-done. Yeah, if they rewrote it again I would be pissed too!

It might as well be SM and then DE since we're apparently reliving 3rd edition...

After that, why not have the Space Wolves play Blood Angels this time around, completing the return!

It's pretty darn clear the Ork codex is written for 5th edition. There are many clues, here are just a few:


1) Grots weren't given a screening rule since it is a basic rule in 5th.

2) The Trukk ramshackle rule doesn't incorporate entanglement since that rule is gone in 5th edition.

3) Ghazghkull's special rules reference getting a bonus attack when charging when in 4th models with slow & purposeful don't get that bonus. They do in 5th so that reference makes sense.

I cant wait to see what all they do to the SW codex. I've wanted to dust my old wolf army off for a very long time now. I hope they do DE soon. It's kinda sad that they just left them in the dirt because not many people play them anymore. Makes you wonder if everyone stoped playing SM if they would just nail the coffin shut on them too.

Unlikley since marines make up a huge percentage of GW overall sales. Driven ever forward by every second model being released being a Marine one ;-p

Agreed the Ork and DA dexes have been written with 5th in mind.


The rumours suggest:
Space Marines
Space Wolves (dubious)
IG (rumoured down to 4pts per guardsman)

Dark Eldar and Necrons have also been mentioned fairly recently.

As usual please help yourself to a large portion of salt.

Actually, DE have been heavily rumored as on the list for some time. Necrons get an occasional bite, but DE get mentioned a lot more.

Per Dosadi at warseer, we're looking at SM, SW in January (with a Spearhead for Christmas [fingers crossed]), and DE in the Spring.

That would allow for Planetstrike in the summer, and IG (or Necrons) in the fall.

Time will tell.

Silverwarrior88 wrote:I cant wait to see what all they do to the SW codex. I've wanted to dust my old wolf army off for a very long time now. I hope they do DE soon. It's kinda sad that they just left them in the dirt because not many people play them anymore. Makes you wonder if everyone stoped playing SM if they would just nail the coffin shut on them too.

You kind of answered your own statement there.

DE have been left in the dust for so long because not many people play them.

Now, this may have more than a little to do with the model range too...

And even though I do love me a Space Marine, I cannot see the point of TWO Space Marine books in a row, especially to launch a new edition!

Surely they'll stick a Xenos between the two (Heh!), right?

I've only really heard a few mentions for Necrons, and those mostly just consist of changing We'll Be Back into Feel No Pain, and changing Gause into Rending, and getting rid of Phase Out. I wonder if we won't simply see these changes in the "FAQ" that converts the old codexes to work in 5th.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a new Codex that gave more options and what have you for Necrons. The Scorpion Lord option I heard rumored once would be cool too.

Alpharius wrote:
You kind of answered your own statement there.

DE have been left in the dust for so long because not many people play them.

Now, this may have more than a little to do with the model range too...

And even though I do love me a Space Marine, I cannot see the point of TWO Space Marine books in a row, especially to launch a new edition!

Surely they'll stick a Xenos between the two (Heh!), right?

We're coming off back to back non-MEQ xenos (ork & daemons), so I wouldn't dismiss SM then SW out of hand.

Back to back non-MEq's is a long way from back to back Space Marines!

Still, like you say, who knows what GW's thinking these days...

YES! entangle was the single most slowed rule to come from 4th edition, and also the overpowered rending and invinca-skimmers.

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That would allow for Planetstrike in the summer, and IG (or Necrons) in the fall.


Jeez...okay, opinions: if IG does come out in the fall, should I wait the up-to-5 months months for the new codex, or buy the 4th edition one and use the update FAQ to start playing an IG army from the get go? I plan to buy that "gamer's edition" that folk have been talking about when (if?) it comes out in July, so I'm just looking for the codex for my army at this point.

Alpharius wrote:Back to back non-MEq's is a long way from back to back Space Marines!

As I've stated before...3rd edition was FAR more SM focused than 4th was. 3 SM Codicies in 4 years is hardly a crime.

As for why SM then SW...three reasons.

1) Money. SW will make more than DE. Or Necrons. And probably as much as IG, or close enough.
2) With less work. SM testing accounts for about 60% of the work needed for SW. So it is an easy Codex to get out. Unlike, say, DE.
3) SW STILL requires another Codex to play. It's the only Codex that does. Might as well clean house on that.

dienekes96 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:
2) With less work. SM testing accounts for about 60% of the work needed for SW. So it is an easy Codex to get out. Unlike, say, DE.

OK, you're probably right...

BUT, did you just say that GW was actually going to do some testing for the SM Codex?

Don't you guys remember...the codex release is driven by how soon they can release new models. GW's been on a 3-4 releases/year for while now. One-two of those are "full" releases, like the Ork or Eldar codexes, where they release new models for lots of units, etc. The other are the "micro" releases like Tau, where they only add a few new models to the lineup.

SM than SW makes plenty of sense from that perspective.

Oh, they'll do plenty of testing of the new SM codex. They have to make sure all the stuff they're newly releasing in plastic will be over powered enough to make sure everyone buys a ton of em!

Aduro wrote:Oh, they'll do plenty of testing of the new SM codex. They have to make sure all the stuff they're newly releasing in plastic will be over powered enough to make sure everyone buys a ton of em!

Hurrr.

Imperial guard definitely need a rebalancing the most out of the non-SM codexes. SW quickly makes a lot of sense though. I'm picking SM/SW/IG/DE/Necs.

talthar wrote:Jeez...okay, opinions: if IG does come out in the fall, should I wait the up-to-5 months months for the new codex, or buy the 4th edition one and use the update FAQ to start playing an IG army from the get go? I plan to buy that "gamer's edition" that folk have been talking about when (if?) it comes out in July, so I'm just looking for the codex for my army at this point.

I think you should just go ahead with the current Codex. We haven't seen any leaked pictures of upcoming IG models, and they always release new models with a new Codex.

I'm with PP, but only assuming you already have enough models to start playing pretty much instantly. If that's the case, then you're bound to get enough satisfaction from the purchase in the (possibly very many) months before a new IG dex. If you're starting from scratch, it may well be the case that you finish your army just as the new dex comes and ruins who knows how many of your existing units. That's no fun for anyone. In either case, I'd avoid buying anything remotely off-beat for now. Joe Guardsmen will still be around in any case, but who knows what will happen to ratlings, conscripts etc.

Edit: I wish I got a dollar for every time I said "case" in the last paragraph. Yow.

GW better release a massive faq on how each codex is changed by 5th ed. Wargear, vehicle wargear, special rules, etc. all may not be compatable.

Jayden63 wrote:GW better release a massive faq on how each codex is changed by 5th ed. Wargear, vehicle wargear, special rules, etc. all may not be compatable.

I believe they or someone else said that was the plan. Although how it can be Frequently Asked Questions when no one has seen the rulebook to Ask the questions...

If and when the new IG dex comes out . I hope like many people out there a cheaper Chimera and a new Russ sculpt.

Aduro wrote:

Jayden63 wrote:GW better release a massive faq on how each codex is changed by 5th ed. Wargear, vehicle wargear, special rules, etc. all may not be compatable.

I believe they or someone else said that was the plan. Although how it can be Frequently Asked Questions when no one has seen the rulebook to Ask the questions...

They are probably right in assuming that people will frequently ask, "How do I use this 3rd edition Codex with the 5th edition rules?!?"

I predict a squat codex.

dienekes96 wrote:Actually, DE have been heavily rumored as on the list for some time. Necrons get an occasional bite, but DE get mentioned a lot more.

Per Dosadi at warseer, we're looking at SM, SW in January (with a Spearhead for Christmas [fingers crossed]), and DE in the Spring.

That would allow for Planetstrike in the summer, and IG (or Necrons) in the fall.

DE have been wished for, but I still haven't seen anything concrete.

I can believe SM followed by SW, because SW is a mini-dex that requires C:SM. Plus, the SW boxes need some real cleanup, like having Blood Claws to use the new Assault Marine sprue.

Planetstrike followed by IG would be ideal for 2009. Planetstrike produces a plastic Valkyrie, and a follow-on IG book could then use it to give IG some mobility.

Aduro wrote:I've only really heard a few mentions for Necrons, and those mostly just consist of changing We'll Be Back into Feel No Pain, and changing Gause into Rending, and getting rid of Phase Out.

Necrons would be relatively easy, as you mention. Although, Living Metal needs to be simplified drastically, perhaps always-Glances and/or may re-roll damge result die.

Pariah Press wrote:We haven't seen any leaked pictures of upcoming IG models, and they always release new models with a new Codex.

OTOH, the IG just did get a Baneblade. Plus, GW has been busy converting FW into plastic.

skullspliter888 wrote:If and when the new IG dex comes out . I hope like many people out there a cheaper Chimera and a new Russ sculpt.

Seconded!

Modelling-wise I think the rumour was DE was going be a huge revamp, practically everything with a new model. If that's the case it would make sense to sandwich a small update like Necrons inbetween IG and DE, depending on how big IG is...

Suppose it depends on what is happening with Fantasy too.