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ok so i bought a new ork codex when the new SM codex came out. my brother bought the SM codex. here it is what, 2 weeks later? and already BOTH of our codex are starting to unbind. is anyone else having this problem?

I take all my books to Kinkos and have them spiral bound and the covers laminated. Pretty cheap too...

thats not a bad idea. specially now. ive been seriously playing 40k since 3rd edition and i still have my chaos codex. the ONLY thing wroung with it is after all these years the cover broke loose. other then that the whole book is still together. whats the deal with the new ones?

I have the same problem with my new ork codex by not my new eldar dex. i think binding and lamenating them would be a good idea

Actually I HAVE had that problem. My daemon codex did just that. As well as my high elf one. Stupid pages started coming right out. Grrrrr!

yea thats what mine and my brothers is doing. falling out from the back forward. WTF man lol

I"ve seen a lot of new codex's doing that lately.

I really don't think GW thought it through that you need more glue with more pages.

my old 3rd ed marine codex is fine, my 4th ed marine is fine, but I've seen more and more low quality product from GW lately.

It's the printer's job to bind the books properly. However GW probably accepted the cheapest quote they could find.

Where are the books printed?

FWIW I remember similar bitching about the RT books. Mine is in fine shape, I knew a number of people who had theirs unbind. I suspect that GW has always skimped on this.

I have the exact same problem with the Space Marien codex its inding is starting to come off.

Where are the books printed?
The book use to be printed in France, I sense a change of production center's location to a cheaper country...

M_Stress wrote:Where are the books printed?
The book use to be printed in France, I sense a change of production center's location to a cheaper country...

It wouldn't suprise me if they were printing in Spain, apparently a lot of stuff is done there now. China is growing too IIRC.

It's a common issue with large soft-cover (and some hard-covers) books, but one that's obviously preventable with quality binding. My Steve Jackson Games books have always had issues falling to pieces, but the humidity here in Florida causes problems with glue-bound books.

GW could switch to hardback, true-bound books that are glued and stitched, but of course prices would increase dramatically along with the quality increase. Remember, in the printing business (as most businesses) pick two: SPEED, QUALITY, PRICE.

The last book I had that sort of problem with was the General's Compendium. I fought one battle with the ships I'd spent six months building and by the end of it, about 10% of the pages had fallen out. Now the ships look like ghost ships because of all the cobwebs. Likewise, I've thrown out several issues of white dwarf because of page loss, but I still have some from the early 90's that are holding together.

It must be a problume with where you live, I don't have any problems with my Ork dex, got it when it first came out and it hasn't had one problume with it yet.

I bought a nid codex not too long ago and it fell apart within a couple days. I also have had an eldar codex for years and it is still as durable as ever. GW probably just screwed up the binding in their latest dexes somehow.

Well let's see here...who was this bound by? Wait...Crazy Bob's discount binding and furniture? WTF?

I've been treating my tyranid codex roughly since the day it came out. Still sticks together just fine, and i throw this thing around like its a hacky sack. Maybe its something in the new books.

The quality of the newer codexs is crap because GW, like every other company, in order to save a few pennies had them printed in china. Where substandard is the policy.

Grotsnik wrote:The quality of the newer codexs is crap because GW, like every other company, in order to save a few pennies had them printed in china. Where substandard is the policy.

Yes, its all to save a few pennies, it has nothing to do with all the big company that do this type of work for other groups is GOING to China to make more money for them selves.

Its amazing how people will try to find a away to blame GW for everything

My SM codex is still in one piece, but the display copy at my LGS is falling apart. My have to find a kinko's or some place to bind it in a spiral binding if that happens to my copy.

Warrior 50

The quality of the newer codexs is crap because GW, like every other company, in order to save a few pennies had them printed in china. Where substandard is the policy.

You realize book binding is handled by machines now right? The only fault that could be of the chinese is the use of cheaper glues, but that's something GW would have had to sign off on. Honestly I've gotten some pretty shoddy books printed in america.

Balls.

My family owns a Print House up in Edinburgh. Glue is glue is glue.

Supplied in little pellett form, it is put into the hopper of a Machine called a Pony.

This is what glues the covers on the pages, shaving off a couple of mm to get it as flush as possible.

The quality of glue is immaterial. Too much or too little glue, now that can cause problems.

And I have never, ever, in all my 28 years known a company to 'sign off' on the glue that binds the covers. Seriously. My Uncle's business used to do stuff for Edinburgh University, and NHS Scotland. The only thing they do is specify the stock, and approve any proofs. The rest is left to the Printers to choose, including brand of ink, glue and paper source. As long as the colours match those requested, and the correct grammage of stock is used, companies have no other input once the proof is approved.

Just for people to know, the Blackshirt at my Local GW has acknowledged that GW knows t here are binding problems with the new SM codex (and I'd imagine any other codexes having the same issues) and have started yelling at their publisher, but they already have a mess of them with bad bindings.

He did states that if we find our codexes falling apart they'd replace them without any problem, so if you're getting this kind of thing happening with your codex, take it to your local GW and ask about it, it's quite possible they'll give you a new one.

My family owns a Print House up in Edinburgh. Glue is glue is glue.

Well I'm glad every glue pellet on the planet is supplied by the same company to the same constancy. Thats reassuring. For a minute there I forgot about the global glue pellet factory of Edinburgh.

The quality of glue is immaterial. Too much or too little glue, now that can cause problems.

Thank you for informing me of planetary glue consistency and immunity to situation specific criteria. Clearly it is a topic that I need to research more, as for some reason I figured that different types and grades of paper as well as their coatings had a relationship to the chemical formulae of glues used in their bindings. On top of that i had the bizzare thought that the thickness of the book and the grade of cover and outer binding went into the consideration.

Man, I was so wrong.


Also when a publisher decides on a factory to print many thousands of books it is fairly common for that publisher to review the factories methods of operation as well as its supply chain and materials grade. GW may not have done this, they aren't always brilliant. But if you're trying to tell me that its unheard of for a company to know the methods by which its products are produced I'm going to have you committed.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Also when a publisher decides on a factory to print many thousands of books it is fairly common for that publisher to review the factories methods of operation as well as its supply chain and materials grade. GW may not have done this, they aren't always brilliant. But if you're trying to tell me that its unheard of for a company to know the methods by which its products are produced I'm going to have you committed.

I'm sorry, but GW doesn't even proofread the 'dexes. I find it difficult to imagine they visited/researched the publisher. They probably just emailed in the files.

I believe my $th Marine dex was printed in Britain and the new one was printed in Poland. I know my BFSP is also printed in Poland and maybe my eldar dex.

I've never really had a problem with my `Dexs falling apart on me.

ShumaGorath wrote:

My family owns a Print House up in Edinburgh. Glue is glue is glue.

Well I'm glad every glue pellet on the planet is supplied by the same company to the same constancy. Thats reassuring. For a minute there I forgot about the global glue pellet factory of Edinburgh.

The quality of glue is immaterial. Too much or too little glue, now that can cause problems.

Thank you for informing me of planetary glue consistency and immunity to situation specific criteria. Clearly it is a topic that I need to research more, as for some reason I figured that different types and grades of paper as well as their coatings had a relationship to the chemical formulae of glues used in their bindings. On top of that i had the bizzare thought that the thickness of the book and the grade of cover and outer binding went into the consideration.

Man, I was so wrong.


Also when a publisher decides on a factory to print many thousands of books it is fairly common for that publisher to review the factories methods of operation as well as its supply chain and materials grade. GW may not have done this, they aren't always brilliant. But if you're trying to tell me that its unheard of for a company to know the methods by which its products are produced I'm going to have you committed.

he's done this for 28 years, how long have you been printing books?

ork dex - 2 weeks old, the cover is comming apart, and un-biding.

daemons dex - 3 weeks old, fine, just a small beer stain on page 12