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we often wait for a games workshop product to go into plastic or them to make it at all.

i was flicking through white dwarf yesterday and heard they were making a plastic battlewagon.

my first reaction was huh then what the?!? and followed by confusion

i was about to start building a battlewagon then.

iimagin games workshop made a plastic model for a stompa it would no longer be a project for only the skilled able to make and paint

it would become a cheesy model that any rich little 7 year old could just waltz in and buy

so i now ask the question: is it a good thing there is a plastic battlewagon?

Dude, the Stompa is scheduled for March

Which is a good thing, I like rich 7 year olds better than I like elitist pricks.

Hughzle wrote:we often wait for a games workshop product to go into plastic or them to make it at all.

i was flicking through white dwarf yesterday and heard they were making a plastic battlewagon.

my first reaction was huh then what the?!? and followed by confusion

i was about to start building a battlewagon then.

iimagin games workshop made a plastic model for a stompa it would no longer be a project for only the skilled able to make and paint

it would become a cheesy model that any rich little 7 year old could just waltz in and buy

so i now ask the question: is it a good thing there is a plastic battlewagon?

Just because GW are about to go splash release with a battlewagon doesn't mean you can't make your own.
Yes, a kit will be released, and 'any 7 year old can build one' (fnorkle! Sorry, not without assistance - and as long as such assistance isn't provided by any of my local redshirts) - judging by how much trouble most of them have with putting the orkses together. Still, sloppy modelling actually works with orks.

It's a good thing that GW have decided to REMAKE the battlewagon, after almost 20 years (and it's been oop for at least 15). The orks have been missing this model for a while. Marine glory boys get all the toys, and everything else languishes like the red-headed stepchild.

As to the stompa. A new kit wouldn't stop me trying my hand at building one from scratch (if I was even remotely interested in orks), either.
Sometimes, nothing beats the thrill of DiY. The sense of achievement, that you have something different from the rest of the horde. What's the point of developing modelbuilding skills if you don't use them to do other things? Showing off is what humans do.

Well, at least I already scratchbuilt my stompa!

Now I can be part of an elite club!
Or, at least, nobody better start messin' wit me about not having bought the GW model.

The fun of Orks is you can munge together almost any mismatched bunch of parts and it looks al the better for it!

To answer the question with my own two cents? Yes, a plastic battlewagon is a good thing. A vocal minority are complaining about how "un-orky" it is that people would have similar looking vehicles. I'd be willing to bet those same people were part of uproar over 10+ years without a representative model. (Also, those people need notice thousands of chaos armies with identical demons, mutations, and spawn...)

People can still kitbash their own. They can also get the "legit" model, and assemble it stock, or convert the crap out of it. I see zero negative impact from an official released model.

As for the stompa...

it would no longer be a project for only the skilled able to make and paint

I've said it a hundred times. For every beautiful scratch build, there are many, many more milkjug+toilet paper roll+scotch tape debacles. The stompa has never been a project only for the skilled. 10 minutes on the internet will prove that point. I view that kit release in the same vein as the battlewagon, zero negative impact. People are still free to scratchbuild/kitbash, or purchase a GW kit. You can build that kit stock, or use it as a foundation for any number of projects.

not to mention that the front of the battle wagon will make a killer gargant head jaw included hur hur

I agree with Teek. I think a plastic kit that can be put together by anyone is better than 90% of scratch-built Ork vehicles which, to my delicate sensibilities, are horrible eyesores and suffer from the sensibility that 'Orky' means badly converted. The other 10% will build fantastic and characterful models anyways, and will not be deterred by a stock model; indeed, talented hobbyists will always one-up the stock model in some way and seem to see stock models as a challenge to be improved upon.

Having the Battlewagon kit is a great thing for Ork players. No everyone can scratchbuild their own to look like the stuff Jameisson does in the modelling forum.

Ditto for Stompaz.

Now if they'd only release a Buggy/Trakk kit...

BYE

lord_blackfang wrote:Dude, the Stompa is scheduled for March

Which is a good thing, I like rich 7 year olds better than I like elitist pricks.

QFT this new ork prick group is getting the better of my patience. this is a hobby for everyone to enjoy, and half of the ork stuff i see in person is tastic...

you sort of missed my point

i more meant it makes all the awesome conversions not seem so special anymore.

I think the existence of a stock kit makes awesome conversions EVEN MORE SPECIAL, because the builder bothered to do it when there is a kit available.

Teek wrote:I see zero negative impact from an official released model.

How will this affect the use of scratch-builds in tournament play? Not all of these wagons and stompas use GW parts in their assembly, and what about the ing of players who want a uniform LOS? Common sense and reason, where are you???

The rules for tournaments will be published by the organisers. GW will probably be less accepting of scratchbuilds than independent tournaments.

The point of TLoS is you don't need a uniform LoS by having identical models because you eyeball each situation as it arises.

ZamboniKnight wrote:

Teek wrote:I see zero negative impact from an official released model.

How will this affect the use of scratch-builds in tournament play? Not all of these wagons and stompas use GW parts in their assembly, and what about the ing of players who want a uniform LOS? Common sense and reason, where are you???

Well, Stompas aren't a problem at all, seeing as Apocalypse (at time of writing) seems immune to the Tournament Mentality Plague. Battlewagons though? Largely 'meh' about them myself. Make it big, and it will block LoS by exposing itself. Make it too small, and it will get confused for a Trukk,

I think for a tournament the model has to either be 100% scratch-built or contain a majority of GW parts. The rule is only there to stop people from using other companies models, not to discourage scratchbuilding.

Ozymandias, King of Kings