Igor and the future of the USA

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**reds8n**

So in my fevered web wanderings I stumbled across this rather ..hmmmm........ WTF how

crazy is this guy, article- see the attached map especially.

Now, whilst I guess given the fluidity of events in the modern world, it is impossible to rule this out completely ( although I do think he seems to severely underestimate the inner resolve, determination, resourcefulness and just darn perkiness of the septics I deal with here and elsewhere), I really don't see this happening, or at least not tiwth the speed he talks about.

Really what I was wondering about is how our American posters here would see the country going if it did divide. It struck me as unlikely that California-- which is fairly economically right but left leaning socially/private lifes (right ?) -- would wind allied with Utah.Under Chinese control.

Chinese have a thing for Mormons or something ?

I can't help but think that the EU is perhaps a bit too far for New York and Co. to sign up with ( as opposed to China eh ?!).

And would anyone want Iowa ?

*thinks* Just in case : To clarify Please lets not have this turn into a AMERICA IS THE SUCK11 AMERICA IS THE AWZUMM thread. Not my intent at all, just wondering really where, especially our American members, see their country going, and if a break up is even feasible.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I think the Texas Republic would be more on it's todd than part of Mexico. Still lots of Oil money there....

**JohnHwangDD**

Presuming the US collapsed and things became a land grab:

First off, Texas would *never* be part of Mexico. If anything, they'd re-take it and make it the Republic of Tejas. Texans have actual pride.

Second, Alaska would never go back to the Russkies. Canada, perhaps, but Russkies, no way.

Hawaii probably would go to Japan - it's very Japanese already.

California to New Mexico could fold under Mexico, but most likely California would be it's own wierd hyper-leftist socialist enclave that everybody else despises. I.e. the status quo.

So done with the wierd outliers...

The Mid-Atlantic is too far south and not far enough west - take Ohio and Michigan, for the Virginia & Kentucky south to the Carolinas. But yeah, they'll be the new new-Euro trash.

Southern Canada would pick up Utah and Idaho, probably Nevada for good measure.

**Miguelsan**

I guess this guy has been reading some old cyberpunk sourcebook. Anyway don´t dismiss the join the EU idea. The hidden EU constitution (hush! don´t give up the big secret) has defined Europe as the big continent starting at Portugal and ending at the shores of Sendai. The other hemisphere is scheduled for the 22th century

M.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Whereas our ungrateful offspring are yet to suspect the global financial meltdown has been cunningly engineered by Great Britain, to teach the USA the story of the prodigal son.....

Oh yes! The Empire will rise again! And hopefully this time around we'll be less of a dick with it.

**1hadhq**

Miguelsan wrote: don´t dismiss the join the EU idea. The hidden EU constitution (hush! don´t give up the big secret) has defined Europe as the big continent starting at Portugal and ending at the shores of Sendai. The other hemisphere is scheduled for the 22th century

M.

thats not our plan. We intend to reclaim all colonies.......

I don't see us wanting what we get on this Map. Maybe swap some pieces with the chinese/canadian/russian/mexikan?

**warpcrafter**

You're completely forgetting about the upcoming North American Union of Canada, the US and Mexico. It'll be a utopia for all who drink the kool-aid! Political organizations are getting bigger, not smaller. We're gradually heading toward a one-world government, I see it coming by the end of the century. The only significant holdout I see will be Africa, because most of them don't know what an actual stable government that operates by the rule of law is.

By the way, Mad Doc Grotsnik, is there a British to American dictionary I can buy that will help me make sense of your more arcane utterances? No offense but Half the time I have no idea what you're talking about. I have a hard enough time decyphering all the

netspeak gibberish. I guess I'm just not cool...

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

IT's the same language!

Though for some of my more obscure utterances, perhaps I can reccomend you this little gem...http://www.amazon.com/Rogers-Profanisaurus-IV-Magna-Farta/dp/095485778X/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230723154&sr=8-4

The official lexicon of swearing! It is utter genius. Read it, and learn the difference twixt a Wizards Sleeve, a Butler Cuff, and indeed, Mary Poppins Bag!

**warpcrafter**

It may be the same skeleton, but the musculature has undergone significant differentiation over the last four hundred years. Thanks for the reference.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Pffrt. You mean you're a bunch of Mutants?

PURGE THE UNCLEAN! And failing that, simply lapidate him in the cerebellum until one feels the onset of an elegant sufficiency.

**warpcrafter**

The progress of evolution cannot be stopped. By virtue of our steady diet of bovine growth hormones, discarded pharmaceuticals and leaking chemical weapon stores, not to mention all those alien abductions, we Americans are slowly but surely becoming the new model of Homo Sapien, for better or worse. The crack babies are doing their part as well.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

You mean....mankind is destined to evolve into nothing less than a wobbling mound of lard

Hmmm. Perhaps Evolution isn't such a good thing after all!

**reds8n**

warpcrafter wrote:? No offense but Half the time I have no idea what you're talking about. I have a hard enough time deciphering all the netspeak gibberish. I guess I'm just not cool...

All part of our cunning plan,

I kind of side with you in regards to the eventual one world Govt. thing, although I have a horrible suspicion it will actually be some form of global company instead.

I really don't see the USA fragmenting like in the article though. I can see Europe ultimately forcing a divide amongst the United Kingdoms, before we get relabelled as Airstrip 1/2/3 etc

**warpcrafter**

Yeah, the government lobbyists gain more power everyday. Soon, they will become the new governments and the teeming masses will be enslaved even more than they are today.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

reds8n wrote:
I kind of side with you in regards to the eventual one world Govt. thing, although I have a horrible suspicion it will actually be some form of global company instead.

Hmm, maybe Buy'N'Large is part of our future after all.

Oh and regarding the predictions here, maybe, possibly in like 40+ yrs when Oil runs really low, but not in 2yrs, just someone hoping too hard methinks.

**JohnHwangDD**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:You mean....mankind is destined to evolve into nothing less than a wobbling mound of lard

So you enjoyed WallE?

**sebster**

It's all the trend right now to talk about the decline of the US and all, but I can't begin to imagine the series of events that has the US collapse and Mexico come to dominate some portion of its former states. Mexico right now is more dependant on US trade than most US states are.

**Typeline**

Lawl! That map has the confederacy with Texas and the North. Only thing that comes from Texas are steers and queers. Only thing that comes from the North are douche bags.

But no really, the New Confederate Union is what we'll be calling ourselves after your crap-tastic northern ways fail us once again. We have industry this time and we'll be just fine.

We will most likely be made up of Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida, North & South Carolina, Tennessee and probably Louisiana.

We've been saying it for years "The South shall rise again!" with a swig of beer and a belch. I just hope we can recover from all the stupid and fat we have right now...

**warpcrafter**

Typeline, I'm almost afraid to ask, but where is Bat Country?

**Typeline**

warpcrafter wrote:Typeline, I'm almost afraid to ask, but where is Bat Country?

The only thing I can tell you is...

**JohnHwangDD**

@Typeline, you forgot Virginia - where the bloodiest battles of the Civil War were actually fought.

**Orkeosaurus**

This professor clearly put a great deal of research into this map.

"Let's see... California's near China, so China will take them over... These states are touching Mexico, so clearly they'll become part of Mexico...."

**Ahtman**

For those who aren't into the internets many, many inside jokes "Bat Country" is from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (based on the Hunter S. Thompson book) with Johnny Dep and Benicio Del Toro. Here is the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkvsi1OeUfc

**Typeline**

JohnHwangDD wrote:@Typeline, you forgot Virginia - where the bloodiest battles of the Civil War were actually fought.

No, I didn't forget Virginia. Virginia forgot it's southern ways! If they want to come too they have to prove they really want it. They's got to kills 'em some yanks! I ain't settlin' for less!

**JohnHwangDD**

Puh-leaze. Every mile from DC is a year into the past.

**Typeline**

JohnHwangDD wrote:Puh-leaze. Every mile from DC is a year into the past.

Washington DC is somehow in some kind of pime taradox where it is a variable number of years ahead of everyone else where they get to F up everything in the country?

**George Spiggott**

JohnHwangDD wrote:Puh-leaze. Every mile from DC is a year into the past.

What happens if you keep travelling in a strait line and get back to DC?

Could you prevent your own birth?

**gorgon**

I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, but IMO it's a little ironic that a Brit would post something from a former Soviet about a country divided.

Seriously though, what the Russian guy doesn't understand is that as much as you hear about red states and blue states, we really are one country with a pretty united people, especially considering how diverse we are. Personally, whether I'm in the Deep South, NYC or the west coast, it still feels like the good ol' U.S. of A. to me.

**reds8n**

gorgon wrote:I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, but IMO it's a little ironic that a Brit would post something from a former Soviet about a country divided.

See ! American's DO get irony after all.

Seriously though, what the Russian guy doesn't understand is that as much as you hear about red states and blue states, we really are one country with a pretty united people, especially considering how diverse we are. Personally, whether I'm in the Deep South, NYC or the west coast, it still feels like the good ol' U.S. of A. to me.

Yeah..... it's all still deckchairs on the Titanic right ?

/hijack : Quarter past 3 in the morning now, I'm home and I'm still buzzing ! Happy New Year to you all !