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The second mega block of WC dice arrived today so I broke them out. I rolled the dice 500 times total, 50 dice per roll. Here are the results:

1 #84
2 #79
3 #99
4 #86
5 #72
6 #80

Here is the general ranking:
3 #99, 4 #86, 1 #84, 6 #80, 2 #79, 5 #72

The average is 83 as is to be expected, that is 6*83.333 equals 500.

Here is the general deviation:
1/+1, 2/-4, 3/+16, 4/+3, 5/-11, 6/-3

Here is the average deviation:
6 (average sum of the absolute value for each deviation)

G

You mean each number came up a 1/6th of the time?

Wait, your dice roll 3+ more often than statistically appropriate? Clearly the WC commissioned these dice in order to get an unfair advantage when they play MEQs. Rolling 3+ is obviously valuable to MEQs. I think you guys should leave these dice behind if you're playing in a competitive venue. I think the adepticon judges need to be forewarned about these dice as well.

j/k

So is the purpose of this thread in preparation for adepticon so that the people who previously accused your group of cheating can rest easy because you rolled 50 dice 10 times?

I am not saying your data is incorrect, I just find the pseudo scientific nature of this to be rather humorous.

I honestly do not care, but I cannot help but be curious and ask despite my better judgment as to why the insistence of all the threads directing attention towards the WC.

Holy cow... can't we just give the guy a break.

He just posted a little experiment that he did with some dice. I take his results at face value.

Sure we don't know what circumstances the test was performed under. Sure he could be lying. So what.

Why do some people have to turn things into a WC bash fest every time they post something.

Sheesh. Chill out.


GG

im willing to bet if i rolled 500 times my results would be something like this


1: 120
2: 100
3: 90
4: 80
5: 70
6: 40

generalgrog wrote:Holy cow... can't we just give the guy a break.

He just posted a little experiment that he did with some dice. I take his results at face value.

Sure we don't know what circumstances the test was performed under. Sure he could be lying. So what.

Why do some people have to turn things into a WC bash fest every time they post something.

Sheesh. Chill out.

Perhaps you should chill out?

I was asking a perfectly valid question. Not jumping down any ones throat. I am quite sure GBF is perfectly capable of defending himself against any perceieved threats, but luckily GBF has enough of a sense of humor and really could care less what people say about him on a forum.

Yes, I think you should chill out.
Perhaps crawling out of the basement might be a good way to get rid of those reflexive projectionist grumpys you got? I hear low fat diets are a good way to get past internet depression.

actually arent they chessex?

Why would I want to leave my basement?



GG

GG thanks for the kind words, they are truly appreciated!

The dice were rolled on a table top, 50 dice per roll for a total of 10 rolls. I used the Wrecking Crew dice since I currently have such a large amount and they are Chessex rounded dice 16 mm in size. The point of the OP is not to draw attention to WC but to show the results from a home study. I think it's only right to mention which dice were used.

There has been a lot of smack talk about how rounded dice rolls skew the results so I thought I would conduct a simple study to see what results I would get. If people are interested I have no problem rolling the dice to accumulate 1000 rolls total. I think that 5000 rolls total would be the best but that could be cumbersome.

The results for 500 rolls showed that 1s do not come up as often as cited here. It also showed that the midranged numbers tended to come up more often. I found it interesting.

G

Does anyone have enough regular (ie. no custom symbols) chessex dice to repeat this rolling 'experiment'? I'm curious if etching the pattern skews the numbers in any way.

Neat experiment, but I would value the information gleaned here more, as they rolled 144,000 times in a controlled environment tracking each die, and you rolled 500 times with a big pile of dice on a table. Considering that you use chessex, and the linked dice study used chessex, and you have conflicting results, I believe the one that was done more thoroughly.

Except that study was only for one block of chessex dice, right?

I'll believe that GBF's study is more accurate for the dice he rolled than some study with a completely different set of dice.

Orkeosaurus wrote:Except that study was only for one block of chessex dice, right?

Afraid not. Reading the link ph34r posted actually tells you what he did.

Yade wrote:took a box of the red and white GW dice, a cube of 36 chessex dice, 36 square corner dice with pips, and 36 Vegas style square dice with no pips.

I then constructed a series of plastic barriers that would be used to keep each dice independent of the others. In the lab we have a table that is 4 inches thick solid slate built on hydraulic legs to keep balance and resist independent movement. On this table we put all of the dice in the rolling container and labelled each case, giving each individual dice its own chamber and number.

My 4 students then shook and rolled the dice 1000 times, recording each individual result.

So that means that each of the 4 students rolled 4 blocks of 36 dice 1000 times. This means that the test was conducted in a much more non biased manner than "I got 50 dice and rolled them ten times..... SCIENCE and MATHS!"

Orkeosaurus wrote:I'll believe that GBF's study is more accurate for the dice he rolled than some study with a completely different set of dice.

Sure, that makes sense...in crazy land.

First off, variables are being mixed up here. A more exacting study would be to roll (1) dice 500 times, or (1) dice 144,000 times (as in the cited article).

Second is that the number of trials is insignificant. Using the Golden Theorem 1000 rolls of (1) dice might yield a 90% accurate result (which leaves a large margin for statistical variance). I'm not interested enough to sit here and do the math, but there are more factors involved than a layperson would expect.

If you are really interested in this, read this book.

Rolling a bunch of dice a bunch of times doesn't tell you anything from a mathematical standpoint.

And none of this changes the (1) I always seem to roll when death is on the line.

jabbakahut wrote:And none of this changes the (1) I always seem to roll when death is on the line.

Hmm... I think the number one is a Sicilian.
"never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"
Swarthy bugger will get you every time.

I like the reviews of that book. It looks like a interesting read, besides its statistical premise.

Hellfury wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Except that study was only for one block of chessex dice, right?

Afraid not. Reading the link ph34r posted actually tells you what he did.

Yade wrote:took a box of the red and white GW dice, a cube of 36 chessex dice, 36 square corner dice with pips, and 36 Vegas style square dice with no pips.

That's what I meant.

He rolled other dice too, but only one block was of chessex dice.

HONESTLY why the hell does everyone bust these guys balls so much? I havnt been on dakka super long but I havnt really seen anything to say "oh god its THOSE guys again"
Can someone let me in on the secret because I keep scratching my head when the ball busting starts

KingCracker wrote:HONESTLY why the hell does everyone bust these guys balls so much? I havnt been on dakka super long but I havnt really seen anything to say "oh god its THOSE guys again"
Can someone let me in on the secret because I keep scratching my head when the ball busting starts

My guess on that one KC would be that it is an outside of Dakka thing - tournament play within the US.

The guys on here all seem very cordial.

Perhaps in a group they're more elitist at events which rubs people the wrong way which is then brought into this world?

KingCracker wrote:HONESTLY why the hell does everyone bust these guys balls so much? I havnt been on dakka super long but I havnt really seen anything to say "oh god its THOSE guys again"
Can someone let me in on the secret because I keep scratching my head when the ball busting starts

I blame their choice of media inspired avatars, it could be the only reason!

I have over 2000 imprinted d6s (roman numerals), I would use them for dice testing but I would hate to have to find a way to keep 2000+ dice separate while trying to roll that many. Besides, anyone that has cleaned up that many dice would never want to roll them again, even for science! I have had them spill twice thanks to moves. They weigh about 20 pounds altogether, cleaning them up is not a fun project, even if they fall close together. Maybe I should sell them off in lots on ebay.

tallmantim wrote:

KingCracker wrote:HONESTLY why the hell does everyone bust these guys balls so much? I havnt been on dakka super long but I havnt really seen anything to say "oh god its THOSE guys again"
Can someone let me in on the secret because I keep scratching my head when the ball busting starts

My guess on that one KC would be that it is an outside of Dakka thing - tournament play within the US.

The guys on here all seem very cordial.

Perhaps in a group they're more elitist at events which rubs people the wrong way which is then brought into this world?

In person they're funny, relaxed, sometimes slightly intoxicated or hung over, and great people to hang around with.

Centurian99 wrote:

tallmantim wrote:

KingCracker wrote:HONESTLY why the hell does everyone bust these guys balls so much? I havnt been on dakka super long but I havnt really seen anything to say "oh god its THOSE guys again"
Can someone let me in on the secret because I keep scratching my head when the ball busting starts

My guess on that one KC would be that it is an outside of Dakka thing - tournament play within the US.

The guys on here all seem very cordial.

Perhaps in a group they're more elitist at events which rubs people the wrong way which is then brought into this world?

In person they're funny, relaxed, sometimes slightly intoxicated or hung over, and great people to hang around with.

I'll second that, really a nice bunch of folks.

Centurian99 wrote:

tallmantim wrote:

KingCracker wrote:HONESTLY why the hell does everyone bust these guys balls so much? I havnt been on dakka super long but I havnt really seen anything to say "oh god its THOSE guys again"
Can someone let me in on the secret because I keep scratching my head when the ball busting starts

My guess on that one KC would be that it is an outside of Dakka thing - tournament play within the US.

The guys on here all seem very cordial.

Perhaps in a group they're more elitist at events which rubs people the wrong way which is then brought into this world?

In person they're funny, relaxed, sometimes slightly intoxicated or hung over, and great people to hang around with.

LOL - perhaps it's just because they do well at tournaments then?

Don't care if they're great guys, how trustworthy they are or even if they're married to my sister (NB: I don't have a sister) if you show up to a tourney with your own custom made dice I walk. That simple.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Don't care if they're great guys, how trustworthy they are or even if they're married to my sister (NB: I don't have a sister) if you show up to a tourney with your own custom made dice I walk. That simple.

Thats why I go with basic dice, I was tired for explaining the 400th time my Necro dice and wanted to just play the game.

slightly off topic: does custom dice annoy people more than the dice that are too shiny to see the pips? I hate when someone brings the clear speckled dice with white pips and you spend 10 seconds wondering if you rolled a 1 or a 5.

ugh, yeah i hate that one! and as for custom dice, i think im one of those people that dont mind it at all. Did anyone see those neat monster dice in CMON?

Well HBMC a lot of Dakkites have their Dakka dices so I think you are SOOL if you ever decide to make a trip over for Adepticon.

G

I have a collection of poorly dice. The criteria are:
1)ugly,
2)badly weighted
3)hard to read.
I tend not to use them for any games at all and keep them
seperate to stop their various diseases spreading to my other dice.
I picked these up a week ago from a French craft fair.
I trust you will all agree my newest dice are 1,2 and 3.
I'm very happy with them!

(Also don't ever shake two or more glass dice in one hand at the same time! I used to have three of them!)

As I've posted before: the results of Yade's "study" are absurd. That's why you should roll your own dice, and record the results. If chessex dice were really that badly skewed, then GBF and others who have recorded what their own dice roll would be getting similar ratios.

As an interesting aside, when I rolled my little chessex dice (10 mm?) 1000 times, I got a fairly large sample size of 3s as well (close to 19%), but low 4s.

How does the round dice work?