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**Nurgle's Head Cheese**

Most guys in my gaming circle are a pretty mature. Most of us have a similar attitude regarding 40K in that we typically have monthly/weekly friendly games where we will critique (or tease) each others game play, army choices etc. With the ultimate goal of one of us finally finding the ultimate 40K list, the list that can take on all challengers very well in a tournement and not suffer from cheese overload...the one list to rule them all

The Valkyrie appealled to virtually all of us. But we have come to the conclusion that there are just WAY TOO many RAW/RAI conflicts that exist when one tries to use this model. I wont repeat them here, just check out all the other Dakka Valkyrie threads that seem endless. For this reason we are by and large ceasing purchasing this model until GW gets its act together (FAQ etc.). And I wont even play the things, mine personally will sit on the shelf for the time being. My free time is too valuable to spend 30+ minutes per game discussing how rule X MIGHT work for the Valkyrie. And I might even avoid other folks in pick up games if I see they want to use a Valkyrie.

My questions to the forum are will GW get the message? Will other gamer-consumers follow suit? Does GW even have a clue that something is wrong? It seems to me that GW has this attitude that gamers who want precise rules are somehow missing the 'fun' aspects of their games and that maybe we should be discounted? Do you get that vibe?

**lordofthedead**

I agree

**Dracos**

While your action is commendable, I do not think it will have the scope necessary to force a response. Probably more effective would be to call on all Dakkaites and your gaming friends elsewhere to call GW with EVERY SINGLE problem they encounter with the model. That way the communication is direct to GW and it will likely just be easier for them to FAQ rather than talk about the valk all day.

**JohnHwangDD**

Maybe you guys should turn it down and just enjoy the game, rather than getting too wound up over stuff...

**Dracos**

JohnHwangDD wrote:Maybe you guys should turn it down and just enjoy the game, rather than getting too wound up over stuff...

Nice of you to condescend, why not add anything helpful while stopping by?

**JohnHwangDD**

Not everybody has problems with the Valk. Some of us just like the model.

It's basically another Devilfish / Wave Serpent / Falcon.

If we were OK with those Fast Skiimer Transports, then the Valk isn no great change.

**Frazzled**

Its a skimmer on a tall base. Big deal. Suck it up a little.

Tell you what. Let me relieve your burden. I'll buy ten off you for $5 a piece.

**Dracos**

Frazzled wrote:
Its a skimmer on a tall base. Big deal. Suck it up a little.

Tell you what. Let me relieve your burden. I'll buy ten off you for $5 a piece.

I agree, people should suck it up. Its 5" off the ground and thusly cannot reguarily disembark (to the ground) in addition to some other wonky rules interactions.

Suck it up.

See, I can be that helpful too!

Or are you stating Frazzled, that there are no inherent problems with the model?

**Marshal Torrick**

And as we all know, flying machines always sit statically in the air at a fixed hieght and certainly NEVER approach the ground for any reason. /sarcasm

People, it's a game.

**Frazzled**

Nothing that a pair clippers and 30 seconds of time couldn't fix. Again, in order to ease their burden, I will contribute $50, yes I said $50, out of the goodness of my heart to take 10 off their hands. Because I am a compassionate person.

Wasn't there a thread around here asking if gamers were a whiny group? I think we have the answer ding ding ding!

**Dracos**

Nice trolling Frazzled. Selling or otherwise getting rid of their models is not in any way expressed in this thread.

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Marshal Torrick wrote:And as we all know, flying machines always sit statically in the air at a fixed hieght and certainly NEVER approach the ground for any reason. /sarcasm

People, it's a game.

You are right it is a game.

I guess people have to play it by your house rules, eh?

**LunaHound**

o_o okok if Frazzled is trolling about the $5 per valkyrie (hes not trolling ) , i'll beat his offer , $30 per valkyrie , i'll take them all ( assembled is great too )

**Frazzled**

Thats not trolling. I am sincerely concerned for their well being, seeing as how their constitution appears so delicate they can't handle one imperfection. I am just trying to be a good dakkaite by easing their pain.
Edit: I see others with more money are also compassionate. See how the Dakka community gives back to its membership

If this is their problem, Life (TM) is going to give them one heck of a surprise.

(translation-gakk try to Man Up at least to the level of an 8 year old, seriously).

**Dracos**

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**JohnHwangDD**

LOL. The troll claims trolling...

Newsflash -- *all* of the flying bases are more than 1" tall.

By the same reasoning, nobody can disembark from any Skimmer.

It's utter nonsense, and why I don't bother with YMDC anymore.

**Dracos**

Hey guys, I'm not sure if you realize the title or OP of this thread, but I'm talking to the OP and addressing what he has said.

I'm not the one being rude and condescending.

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JohnHwangDD wrote:LOL. The troll claims trolling...

Newsflash -- *all* of the flying bases are more than 1" tall.

By the same reasoning, nobody can disembark from any Skimmer.

Retards.

Well I just measured my skimmer flying base to make sure, and it is 1.5" tall.

Good thing you can disembark up to 2" away or else you might have had a point.

**JohnHwangDD**

So was I.

Any normal group won't have problems with the Valk.

You simply treat it just like any other Skimmer Transport.

It's not difficult.

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Oh, and did you be sure to include the ball-mount?

That's an extra half-inch.

Sorry, no dice.

**Dracos**

Omg an extra half inch (mine don't have ball mounts as its for the landspeeder) that would make it 2"! wow, if only you could still disembark 2" away.... oh way you can.

**JohnHwangDD**

Except, that you can only disembark about 3 guys.

So, if the the unit is more than that, you aren't disembarking the entire unit.

Therefore, it's an illegal move, and can be disallowed.

**Dracos**

Well I'm sure you are referring to a specific model and its access point. Since you don't mention it, and give an "about" number than can disembark, I'm going to have to conclude that you did not test that out in any way and are just pulling it from dark nether regions.

Gratz on making up an example to support your argument.

**padixon**

I can't believe some people are having issues with their toy soldier game.

Its a game, there are plenty of rules and models that are not perfect including this one, this is not new.

Deal with it by having fun. Its just a game, make a 'work-around rule' or cut it down if it bothers you that much.

Its an awesome model, a bit expensive, but an awesome model.

**Frazzled**

You're right. I should no better. Wait I can't resist:

I have heaped derision on their issue, which is appropriate in this circumstance.

**bigtmac68**

Well considering that every major tournament coming up has already ruled what any reasonable person would do without being told I dont see the problem.

Seriously, they obviously intended the model to be able to disembark, at my most recent tourney they said just use the base as it is a base not a "clear skimmer base" so they are treating it as such.

boom, problems solved in 10 seconds.

The Big Waagh said to consider it on the ground for the purposes of embark, disembark, assualts ect...

again did not take long, simple common sense

The "RAW" problems are caused by people looking to find a problem rather than a solution.

IMHO, but I only play tourneys coverd by the INAT faq so I dont need to worry about these issues.

Thanks Yak and crew for making my gaming life easier.

**Dracos**

You are correct sir, you should "know" better.

If after clarification you still disagree with the person then politely outline your points.

**theocd**

I personally find it amazing that people are so narrow minded that a representational 5" flying base means you can no longer disembark. Just treat it as a normal sodding flyer.

The OC-D

**bigtmac68**

OH, and if you are waiting for GW to resolve this with a FAQ, dont. They do not see a problem at all, remember they do not belive in the concept of RAW since the first rule of RAW is that there is no RAW in the mond of GW.

Read Jervis articles in WD and he makes pretty clear that he feels the entire hobby woud be better off without the RAW crowd at all. I dont agree with that extreme, and do agree the rules are a disaster, but its not that hard to deal with.

**Dracos**

While I would be happy to explain in detail why simply doing that is an unfair way to play the model, its already been done in the YMTC thread.

I think there is a fair way to play the model though, and I think being condescending that your interpretation of the way to play it is the only way or obvious is just as bad if not worse than whining about the problem.

**Frazzled**

No one is being condescending to you. I'm being condescending to the concept of a boycott.

If there is an issue, heck play your way. Again, no problem.

**yani**

If I may lend my opinion?
When you want to disembark from a Valk simply remove the flying base place the valk on the ground and deploy around it. Simple and would look cool on the battle field.
Also TLOS means if you can see any part of the model you can shoot it. While this is annoying for Valk users it seems a fair trade off for the amount of tactical flexibility on provides

**athba**

5" is all some people have