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I find it interesting GW keeps shoving Brets against the new fantasy armies (on the back cover of this months), but there are no rumors about them getting any type of update.

Though, as most of the army is now direct buy only - it may not be as surprising as I am thinking...

What are they going to do with the Brettonians is another question I've wondered for a while. They're very difficult to paint if you want them to look good. They're ground troops are pretty crappy. If you don't get the charge off, you're hosed. Will the Empire just annex the place and have it relegated to Kislev status? Who knows.

You know, they put loads of pictures of squats in White Dwarf, just before they... well, you know... just saying...

That would make me angry and turn green . . .

At least then they couldn't screw up the army book by 'revising' it.

Brets work okay in 8E, you just have to work at it. They aren't 'point and click' anymore. They could use some tweaking, minor things in the main that could be FAQ'd. They really don't need a major overahaul a la O&G or Tomb Kings.

Well, surely if the Bret's under-perform in 8th edition, having the new armies play against them makes it easier for the new armies to win without to much 'tweaking'?

Btw, the Empire vs. Skaven Battle report a while back was boring and then some IMHO...

Just Dave wrote:having the new armies play against them makes it easier for the new armies to win without to much 'tweaking'?

This

Get a low-tier army, put everything new against them so they win really easily. Heck they'd use wood elves if they could, but then people would know they are fixing the battles

Leigen_Zero wrote:but then people would know they are fixing the battles

But we already DO know that since they've all but said it with their confirmation that they play 3-4 battles and take the "best" of them to print.

Platuan4th wrote:

Leigen_Zero wrote:but then people would know they are fixing the battles

But we already DO know that since they've all but said it with their confirmation that they play 3-4 battles and take the "best" of them to print.

True, but the 'best of 3-4 battles' can still have evenly-matched forces, throw wood elves into the mix and you can guarantee its a win for the new guys!

Brets won't be back until GW thinks up something giant that they can ride around on so there'll be a new big plastic kit.

My belief is that Brets are easy opponents to win with... hence, they serve the purpose of showcasing the new armybook.

Brets won't be back until GW thinks up something giant that they can ride around on so there'll be a new big plastic kit.

Please god no. My brets were born to kill nasty scary monsters, not ride them to war. Maybe if all our knights had heroic killing blow?



Personally I don't think bretonnaians are bad in 8th edition. most of their items are still useful and we can do the whole horde thing with our cheap peasants. they might be a bit overcosted for what they do but we have dirt cheap knights and multi-charing still seems to work.

Therefore, i don't think they will be getting a new book anytime soon. They do well in the new edition so they don't really need it. besides, i think 40k is going to get a lot of attention in the next few months with necrons, sisters, and tau.

Brets it seems are taking the role previously inhabited by empire and inhabited by guard in 40k, GW's whipping boy that they can put up against all the new guys and say.

hey! This army killed all these 1337 knights! BUY IT!

But then you also got to remember that some of the lists that those guys use in the WD battle reports are pretty bad.

Like when the Island of Blood set came out and they had High Elves v. Skaven, I looked at the HE list and thought that he'd lose on account of the crap he had. Then I saw the Skaven list. Long story short, I didn't care who won because it would have come down to luck and nothing more.

The battle reports are more exposes of whatever is latest and greatest against whatever.

Please don't use the word "slowed" as a synonym for "stupid. Thanks!


Sorry about language, I just got a little caught up in the moment. I changed it and will pay more attention in the future.

That is so true. every imperial guar dlist has made me tear my hair out in frustration. Only WoC get good lists, and they usually win their battle reports IIRC.

the empire lists aren't bad either

Well it is more an issue for me because these people are supposed to be the pros of the game and they pretty much always come up with crap lists.

I want the expose to be the best of what the new book has to offer against the best of something else, not just a bunch of random crap which sounds cool. If I want to see that I'll watch two 12-year-olds at the GW have a game.

Turalon wrote: a bunch of random crap which sounds cool. If I want to see that I'll watch two 12-year-olds at the GW have a game.

I believe this is the market share they are after . . .

I haven't had a bad time with the brets. Just seems like GW has been putting them out there a lot and wasn't sure why.

Turalon wrote:Well it is more an issue for me because these people are supposed to be the pros of the game and they pretty much always come up with crap lists.

I want the expose to be the best of what the new book has to offer against the best of something else, not just a bunch of random crap which sounds cool. If I want to see that I'll watch two 12-year-olds at the GW have a game.

They're not interested in showing you two gamers with tournament lists with one person tabling the other. They're trying to showcase the sheer variety of units.

They're also trying to show people having fun.

Kanluwen wrote:

Turalon wrote:Well it is more an issue for me because these people are supposed to be the pros of the game and they pretty much always come up with crap lists.

I want the expose to be the best of what the new book has to offer against the best of something else, not just a bunch of random crap which sounds cool. If I want to see that I'll watch two 12-year-olds at the GW have a game.

They're not interested in showing you two gamers with tournament lists with one person tabling the other. They're trying to showcase the sheer variety of units.

They're also trying to show people having fun.

This

They are also, as people pointed out trying, to get people to buy the new stuff. They are also often limited in what they can field as they pick from the in house 'eavy metal models that is of course always the greatest variety of models rather than a killer list. Also the DE armies have been more than reasonable IMO. Could do with some transports for the witchs mind.

Why Brets, because they have not obviousely been nerfed but are still under performing due to an old dex. They also don't, as has been mentioned, anything to easily kill monsters to my knowlege. Strange for brave monster killing knights, but then thats showing the age of the dex.

I wouldn't be surprised if they released a new dex but i cant help but wonder who would buy it because no one at my local GW uses brets all they would do is go and get the new stuff and then neglect it and sell it on but thats just my opinion

I must clarify, sometimes it is not so much the units that they take as the upgrades.

Sorry I'm a bit out of date as I haven't bought a WD in some time, but flip through it every once in a while.

There was a battle report a while back with Space Marines and tyranids and the marine player gave everyone meltabombs. The guy wasted 40 some odd points on meltabombs in a game against tyranids. To top it off, the guy was barging about how he had been a marine player for 15 some odd years and knew all of their tricks. Tyranids won by the way.

While I admit tailoring your list is no good, but taking upgrades which you know will be of no use is just a bad idea.

snurl wrote:Brets won't be back until GW thinks up something giant that they can ride around on so there'll be a new big plastic kit.

Steam trojan horse, with a large platform for guys with lances. There ya go.

Turalon wrote:I must clarify, sometimes it is not so much the units that they take as the upgrades.

Sorry I'm a bit out of date as I haven't bought a WD in some time, but flip through it every once in a while.

There was a battle report a while back with Space Marines and Tyranids and the marine player gave everyone meltabombs. The guy wasted 40 some odd points on meltabombs in a game against Tyranids. To top it off, the guy was bragging about how he had been a marine player for 15 some odd years and knew all of their tricks. Tyranids won by the way.

There's a difference between "bragging" and "stating".
"Bragging" is when you come in and pretend you're hot crap. Saying "I've been playing Marines for 15 years and know all of their tricks" is a statement.

While I admit tailoring your list is no good, but taking upgrades which you know will be of no use is just a bad idea.

He used his 'general purpose' list.

The whole reason he took meltabombs was specifically to show that they do not stack the deck one way or the other for these games.
It was also to show lists that might be common in the current metagame, and how they'd fare against a new Codex pulling out all the stops if they were just the 'average' list.

Back to the throwing the game in WD, in the O&G issue the new army lost, Ii just thought it was odd and out of character of WD.

samius wrote:Back to the throwing the game in WD, in the O&G issue the new army lost, Ii just thought it was odd and out of character of WD.

Yeah they do that once in a while to make out they are not fixing games. Like the blood angel issue where the BA only drew the game.

Feel that burn GW.