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GW is finally pricing me out so I'm looking for other options. Infinity models look cool but I need to know if they're all metal or if there are any resin/plastic stuff?

All metal.
Makes it harder to convert, but I guess that's a price to pay for such beautiful minis and it might make them not too expensive.

They are beautiful, indeed. However I guess this means I play Warmahordes. :/

Thanks for the quick reply.

Don't !
You know you want to start Infinity =P

Before deciding to go Warmahordes, give the free rules a go, proxying the models. It's a much nicer system

And prettier.
And cheaper.
And I'm totally not objective =)

I don't really get what people's issues are with metal. If I like a model, I don't let whether it's plastic, metal or resin put me off it.

I couldn't pick any of those materials as a favourite. I just recognise that resin is the most likely to have casting flaws, metal may need pinning and needs decent tools, and plastic glue will make me feel somewhere between woozy and queasy.

Although, I am usually less likely to like plastic models. The softer detail and lack of undercuts does make it harder to impress me. Mind you, if the price is right.

I think it's a deterrent for people who wants to convert models extensively (like me) but also has zero experience in dealing with metal (also like me) so I can relate in a way. Resin and plastic is so much more easier to cut and convert. Mind you, I also don't care what material is used, but for conversion-happy people metal is a scary prospect.

While that is true, the fact remains that Infinity miniatures are so pretty you really don't need to convert a thing to make them stand out. Add to that the fact that you'll never have more than 10 models on the table at a time and conversions become something to do for fun rather than anything that is necessary to add character to the army.

Now, converting IS fun. I do it all the time. I just think not getting into Infinity because of the metal minis would be a real shame. They are so beautiful!

Breotan, why don't you just get a blister pack or perhaps even a starter pack and see how you get on? The models are so small, really with a file and a decent super glue (Zzzap, Rocket etc.) I don't have any more difficulty than I would with resin.

The advantage of the metal is that you get the highest possible level of detail, and the miscast rate is extremely low. It's not just GW that has problems with resin, and when you are doing a lot of mail order purchasing its something that you really have to consider.

TBH looking at the finished product is more important for me, the things could be made of hardened ox-dung and I wouldn't mind (OK.. actually, maybe I would draw the line there! )

Simple conversion work is easy enough with them (I don't think most people realise how small the models are until they see them in person, the quality of painting on the website is such that it could almost be full human-scale!) - so it's very simple to snip off a head or a hand.

Jeez even GW was metal for years! People had no trouble converting then so why now? I really don't get this thing against it. Are people just that lazy now?

Correct CB have stated they are a metal miniture company. They like the properties of metal and the "value" you feel from the weight. I haven't had much need to convert the models outside of TAGs and remote, because honestly the models are so beautiful I don't feel I could do a better job.

Also careful on converting Warmahordes minitures. Their tournament rules have strict guidelines on converting.

I will say I wouldn't mind some resin pieces on the TAGs just because of the weight.

Wasn't Pirvateer Press bragging about being all-metal for a while?

Either way, the metal models arguably may be Infinity's greatest strength and weakness. Metal keeps the models cheap and the details crisp, but assembly has always been a common complaint.

I know, I know, it's simply a step in modelling, but it hurts when trying to convince others into the game. Not everyone knows and/or wants to pin models.
I thought I was a decent modeler until the Dakini Tactbots tested my patience.

I would definitely like plastic or resin infinity models, but I can understand them wanting to keep costs down by sticking with metal

I have to agree with CDK - Metal is admittedly more work than plastic or resin, but to me plastic/resin is converting in Easy mode rather than metal being Hard mode.

It's not difficult to work with - a decent razor saw, needle files and drill bits will make short work of it. It's one of the most common wargaming materials, so it's something an experienced modeller should know their way around and a very major hole in the repertoire of any conversion addict.

For me I'd ONLY like the TAG's done in resin. Like I said it's more of a weight issue for me. Has anyone picked up a Caskuda?! It weights more than a baby!

CDK wrote:For me I'd ONLY like the TAG's done in resin. Like I said it's more of a weight issue for me. Has anyone picked up a Caskuda?! It weights more than a baby!

Don't think of it as a downside, think of it as a makeshift weapon. If you in a bind all you need is a sock and a Caskuda.

Yeah, it's like the old Screamer Killer Carnifex model... that and the Caskuda should have a fight. Or a 'which is more likely to injure the user' contest.

endtransmission wrote:I would definitely like plastic or resin infinity models, but I can understand them wanting to keep costs down by sticking with metal

The problem is with plastic they wouldn't be able to get anything like the detail we are currently seeing in the range.

The only thing it might be OK with is perhaps very basic line infantry like a Ghulam, but even those models would have to lose some detail to get into plastic.

I have no doubt CB would make a decent go of resin (if perhaps it was used for a TAG), using pressure casting and a high quality resin however.

I've got old mech models the same size as CBs TAGs that still weigh more. Admittedly, they are the ones made using the lead inclusive white-metal-alloy that was popular and cheap until the early 90s.

For detail, I prefer metal.
For vehicles, I prefer resin.
For bulk troops, I can tolerate plastics - but this is something I really hope Infinity never moves to. I have other games for this.

I also add my vote to not having plastics for Infinity. Plastics technology simply cannot match the level of miniature quality that Corvus Belli have built Infinity's reputation on.

Unless they develop plastic to have just as much as detail as resin or metal in the future, I would also vote resin and/or metal. I think CB is spot-on on their stuff as of now and I hope they'll continue to be just like that.

Although I would not object to plastic conversion kits or terrain pieces.

Breotan wrote:They are beautiful, indeed. However I guess this means I play Warmahordes. :/

Thanks for the quick reply.

i havnt looked into warmachine for a couple of years but arn't they all metal too? i remember my buddy got the russian starter box with a wizard and a battle-jack thingy and they were all metal?

porkchop806 wrote:

Breotan wrote:They are beautiful, indeed. However I guess this means I play Warmahordes. :/

Thanks for the quick reply.

i havnt looked into warmachine for a couple of years but arn't they all metal too? i remember my buddy got the russian starter box with a wizard and a battle-jack thingy and they were all metal?

They used to be. Now they have this plastic-resin material that they're making their modular Warjack kits out of.

feth I hope they never go plastic. Infinity models are gorgeous with crisp details. Not something you can say about plastics. GW's plastic Fantasy characters are the best plastics I've seen detail wise in wargaming ranges, and even those are fairly mushy.

I'd prefer resin just to get away from metal which I hate, but I'll tolerate it for Infinity.

Okay. I saw how this thread was growing and thought I'd throw some items together to better explain myself. I'm not doing this to argue with anyone or stir up drama, just let you guys know where I'm coming from.

endtransmission wrote:Before deciding to go Warmahordes, give the free rules a go, proxying the models. It's a much nicer system

I believe you. Still, if I cared much about the rules I wouldn't be playing 40k, would I? ;P

heartserenade wrote:I think it's a deterrent for people who wants to convert models extensively (like me) but also has zero experience in dealing with metal (also like me) so I can relate in a way. Resin and plastic is so much more easier to cut and convert. Mind you, I also don't care what material is used, but for conversion-happy people metal is a scary prospect.

This is exactly my feeling. I love to fiddle and change up stuff but I don't exactly have room to set up power tools and such in my apartment. After years of dealing with GW, my dislike of metal as a medium for miniatures has only grown.

CDK wrote:Jeez even GW was metal for years! People had no trouble converting then so why now? I really don't get this thing against it. Are people just that lazy now?

GW indeed had metal for many years. It kept me from getting in during 2nd Edition. When 3rd came around, I only bought as few metal bits as I could possibly get away with. When GW came out with plastic versions, I sold the metals on eBay immediately. Also, I only ever played Orlocks in Necromunda because I refused even then to buy metal Eshers or Van Sarrs.

BlueDagger wrote:Also careful on converting Warmahordes minitures. Their tournament rules have strict guidelines on converting.

Thanks for the warning but I don't play in tournaments. I find tournament atmosphere usually ends up too heated to be worth the admission fee. I don't do to this hobby hoping to get wound up and angry every time I play. Nothing against people who like the competative environment, mind you. It's just not what I'm interested in.

Absolutionis wrote:Wasn't Pirvateer Press bragging about being all-metal for a while?

Yes, and I won't be buying any of their metal models either.

MarcoSkoll wrote:I have to agree with CDK - Metal is admittedly more work than plastic or resin, but to me plastic/resin is converting in Easy mode rather than metal being Hard mode.

In my mind, working with metal is less a challenge than an annoyance. Here is a Diablo III metaphore that may better explain things. I see hardcore as a challenge but I see lag as an annoyance. I do not see playing hardcore on a laggy day to be an even greater challege - it is something to be avoided at all costs. Does this make some sense to anyone?

MarcoSkoll wrote:I also add my vote to not having plastics for Infinity. Plastics technology simply cannot match the level of miniature quality that Corvus Belli have built Infinity's reputation on.

No, but resin certainly can. Still, I understand the arguments against CB going that route.

Hey, everyone, thanks for the replies and I'm glad to see you guys supporting the system you love. CB's models are truely works of art and were they resin, I'd be right here with you. Alas, I'll have to wish you all well and see if Skorn matches my playstyle sometime next week. Take care, guys.

Well said!

I think we should let Breotan go now.

If he was meant to fall in love with Infinity, he will.

If not, so be it!

It's not a question of will he. It's a question of when. =P

Good luck Breotan !
I hope you will enjoy Warmahordes =D

Breotan wrote:This is exactly my feeling. I love to fiddle and change up stuff but I don't exactly have room to set up power tools and such in my apartment.

Despite what Alpharius said, I have to correct this misconception! While a Dremel or something can prove useful, it's not in any way necessary. In the years I've had mine, I've used it all of twice on metal models, and in one of those cases, I was only using it as a substitute for a misplaced needle file. In the other - removing some surface detail from a concave area - it was useful, but not essential.

To demonstrate, my conversion from the Brettonnian Sorceress to a Sister Famulous, necessitating the removal of the original model's extensive hair, was done solely with hand tools. And I documented the process (#1, 2, 3, 4 & 5), largely because of how many people have complained about needing power tools. The same conversion in resin would have taken me probably about the same amount of time and effort. The resin might have been easier to cut (although, as I say, good tools will deal with metal easily), but it likely would have also involved a bubble chasing and filling exercise too.