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Hey guys. Just wondered what ya'll think the best overal army is in 40k?

Squats, by a mile.

There is no best army. Only best matches to a player. I could be handed the "Best" army in the game, and still lose to someone playing a 5 year old codex who knew what they were doing.

Too vague a question Im afraid with no definitive answer.
What points are you playing, tournamant or friendly games, allies allowed to suppliment, "best" as in a win to loss ratio, value for points, survivability, killability.

You wont get a proper answer by the way, more the armies broken down into tiers and obviously ultra dependant on the general and plain old luck sometimes.

There may not be a 'best' army, but there are 'top tier' armies.

The main issue with any competitive game is that "best" is very dependent on the metagame.


You go to a tournament with a Tzeench Daemon list.

Scenario 1: everyone there prepared their list for Necron Air and has limited deep strike defense. You win the tournament by a mile. You have the "Best" list.

Scenario 2: Everyone there prepared their list for daemons. GK players abound, ect. You loose the tournament by a mile. You do not have the "best" list,



In general, there are few codexes that consistently do well in tournaments. However, you will see players do well with "BAD" lists because they are not the lists that the other players were prepared to fight.

It was just meant to be a quick thread with a load of anwers like necrons, chaos etc! Didn't realise it was going to be such a pain lol

Crons so

The best army is the one that has this model in it:



Not eldar in general, mind you. Just the eldar army with that model.

Well, as was mentioned, 40k can be a game rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock.


So what stomps face on one list may be epic fail on another.
This is because 6th edition has turned into "Warhammer 40! Extreme Edition!" with lots of extreme lists. Extreme lists turn the game into rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock.

There are a few armies that people view as 'top tier' though. These are the lists people win with at events. This is because they limit their counters while maximizing the lists they are good against.
- Chaos Daemon : Tzeench Spam
- Chaos Space Marines : Triple Helldrakes
- Dark Eldar : Beast Pack of Doom!
- Grey Knights : Overall still an excellent codex
- IG : Manticore/Vendetta spam
- Necrons : Wraithwing or Flying French Bakery
- SW : GH spam
- Tyranids : Psychic Choir

Can you expand on these two LM? Whats involved?

- Necrons :Flying French Bakery

- Tyranids : Psychic Choir

In the current meta ( where I am) it's armour lists, alot of people still play 5th with add-ons lists rather than true 6th lists, with my meta the strongest lists are gregs deldar, moes orks my ravenwing and spankys guard mech list ( yes it's a good list spanky, your just unlucky) stus black templars suffer for being old but he holds his own, johns eldar are a joke ( not.his fault, he has a mechdar list that no longer works due to stupid faqs) to him.

We all change armies from time to time, I sometimes bring a 5 fmc nids list with tyranofex support, spanky is working on his blood angels successor and his nids, Greg is getting more venoms.... Git, and Moe loves his battlewagons... Git.

So long story short there is no top tier army where my group is concerned, from tourney results I see crons flying circus does well, chaos is also doing well, gk too, but that's a whole different, meta.

Evileyes wrote:
There is no best army. Only best matches to a player. I could be handed the "Best" army in the game, and still lose to someone playing a 5 year old codex who knew what they were doing.

Ohai, have we met?

 Ratius wrote:
Can you expand on these two LM? Whats involved?

The flying french bakery brings 4-5 Night Scythes, a few Annihilation Barges and maybe some wraiths. The idea is that the models on the board are durable enough to make it hard to shoot them off the table, then on turn 2, lots of flyers come on the board, each one hitting ~5 times with their STR 7 guns.
Including the barges, that's ~40 STR 7 hits per turn. That's going to clear out most armies through volume of fire.

This is roughly what it looks like at 1500
HQ
Destroyer Lord w/WarScythe, Weave, MSS (he joins wraiths)

Troops
5 Warriors w/Night Scythe
5 Warriors w/Night Scythe
5 Warriors w/Night Scythe
5 Warriors w/Night Scythe
5 Warriors w/Night Scythe

Fast Attack
6 Wraiths w/2 whip coils

Heavy Support
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge

 Ratius wrote:
Tyranids : Psychic Choir

I've not seen this in action yet, so I am sure other people can give more info on how it works. I will speak to the best of my knowledge.

The psychic choir works by bringing lots of psykers to the table. Your goal is to have every psyker rolling on the endurance table, granting multiple powers.
Each many of the psykers are taking 3 powers to roll on the biomancy table, so you wind up with 4-5 psykers with biomancy. This means there are MCs with Iron Arm, or casting Enfeeble on your units. Stacking Enfeeble on a unit sucks!

This is what I would expect to see at 1500. This list brings 7 psykers to the table.
HQ
Hive Tyrant w/Wings, Old Avesary, dual devourers.
Tervigon w/3 psychic powers

Troops
Tervigon w/3 psychic powers
Tervigon w/3 psychic powers
Tervigon w/3 psychic powers
10 Gaunts
10 Gaunts
10 Gaunts

Fast Attack
25 Gargoyles w/Adrenal Glands

Elite
2 Zoeanthrops

that's ~40 STR 7 hits per turn. That's going to clear out most armies through volume of fire.

Yowzah!

And the Nid choir? I assume is maxing Thropes with Tyrants backed up with Doom maybe and some Tervis?

Corbulo is the best army in the game, run 20 of them for lawls.

 Ratius wrote:
And the Nid choir? I assume is maxing Thropes with Tyrants backed up with Doom maybe and some Tervis?

I updated the earlier post, probably after you sumbitted this one

Thanks LB.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Squats, by a mile.

^This when allied with a Witch Hunters army.

Orks.

/thread.

Really there is no answer to this, well not a defnitive one anyways. It's down to preference and player skill there is no best army.

After all I know several Witch Hunter and Black Templar players (including myself) who can still hold their own against the newer 'better' armies.

Yup, Orks, because Orks.

The rest just can't compare

 Ascalam wrote:
Yup, Orks, because Orks.

The rest just can't compare

My Nids, Guard and Sw dares to say BS on that

Say wot yer likez.

Roast oomie in bug sauce wiv wolf-burritoz is a tasty snack



Have to say, my DE run a close second, but Orks have ALWAYS been awesome to me

IG Armored Battlegroup is the best army by far. The only relevant standard for "best" is how many awesome tanks you can put on the table, therefore the ABG wins. You can bring nothing but Leman Russes/aircraft/etc and don't have to waste any points on silly little infantry models.

Second place goes to the Elysain Drop Troops list. Valkyries and other aircraft are cool, but it really suffers from a lack of tanks.

Sorry, you all lose.

CRASSUS ARMOURED (ASSAULT) TRANSPORT is the best army.

That or any army with Lord Humungus trying his hand at karaoke as its HQ.

 Psienesis wrote:
CRASSUS ARMOURED (ASSAULT) TRANSPORT is the best army.

No. A CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT is a unit. An Armored Battlegroup with a PRAETOR ARMORED ASSAULT LAUNCHER* is an army (and the best army).


*Since the only thing better than a CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT is a CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT that TRANSPORTS a giant missile launcher instead of mere guardsmen.

What happens when an unstoppable CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT meets an immovable CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT?

 Lord Rogukiel wrote:
What happens when an unstoppable CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT meets an immovable CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT?

They form the basis of an IG ARMORED ASSAULT BATTLE GROUP...obviously.

It's only a matter of time until mechanicus discovers CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT LAUNCHER that shoots Guardsmen strapped on missiles for quick insertion o.o

Or worse yet... Marbo.

 Peregrine wrote:
IG Armored Battlegroup is the best army by far. The only relevant standard for "best" is how many awesome tanks you can put on the table, therefore the ABG wins. You can bring nothing but Leman Russes/aircraft/etc and don't have to waste any points on silly little infantry models.

Second place goes to the Elysain Drop Troops list. Valkyries and other aircraft are cool, but it really suffers from a lack of tanks.

Back in 5th edition the Elysian list struck me as deceptively good, since literally everything in it could deepstrike, including special weapons squads (70 points for a three melta deepstriking unit with a small footprint, of which you could take three per infantry platoon) and drop sentinels as elites/part of an infantry platoon (three av10 multimeltas showing up anywhere for the cost of a basic leman russ), since vehicles were much tougher in 5th and all that melta would turn them into a bad joke. It seems like 6th has brought a greater emphasis back to infantry, when it's not on flyers, so I'm not sure how it would fare today. At least without spamming vendettas, vultures, and valkyries/sky talons, in that order as points allow. Which would be rather scummy, not to mention ridiculously expensive model-wise.