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So as a Blood Angel successor, I like myself some daring orbital insertions and fast deployment strategies.
I was reading through Primaris unit entries in both the Codex Marines and Blood Angels lists, as well as Lexicanum and the Wikia.
Inceptors drop right out the hanger bays alongside the Hawks, Ravens and make re-entry in their Gravis suits, that's easy enough.
Reiver's can take Grav-Chutes, though the material is pretty vague with which dropships they leap from and their profile lifts from Inceptors and states they may be set up "in high orbit" like Meteroic Descent, not "high in the skies" like jump pack models, but at least the Thunderhawk can take 3 combat squads of them so that makes some sense.
Even taking the novel Dark Imperium's Overlord superheavy flyers, that's a Primaris Storm Bird with just shy of a demi-company (at 40 men) of any Tacticus or even Gravis armoured marine, I presume Reivers would also be happy to jump from these gunships too, even if the vehicle hasn't made a model debut with any form of rules.
However, this still leaves the question of how any Repulsors can be deployed, as even Thunderhawk Transporters which happily take Land Raiders. That Land Speeders have lost any deep strike deployment, I must surmise they are too heavy to use their repulsor lift to survive driving out of a hanger like an Inceptor jump.

Does anyone have any other sources or thoughts?

Edit: Also it seems anyone who happens to have an old Sokar collecting dust in their armorium and handle 50 of them no problemo, but I'm sure there are hundreds of chapters unfortunately bereft of such a heavy relic, nor does it answer their tank problem.

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Oh I remember this. I can just see Primarneus on top of a falling Repulsor like that one piece of art of Dante riffing on a winged Land Raider before the Raven had a model.

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Dark Imperium makes it sound like repulsors can be air dropped.

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Trying to understand your question. There are a couple of ways for Primaris Marines to make planetfall.








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I mean, in so far as classic marines have Drop Pods, a host of gunships stormraven and up, anything with a Jump Pack can hop out of said gunships. Land Speeders at least used to have Deep Strike. At a certain benighted time Blood Angel land raiders could be airdropped from Thunderhawk Transporters, but they can at least quickly land a strike force's entire complement of armour at a drop site, you have terminator teleport strikes.
Inceptors are explained, Reivers using a Thunderhawk to Grav Chute from I mentioned but to me it seems any of the infantry (Hellblasters and Intercessors, officers and ancients, Aggressors, Gravis Captains) have to either travel peicemeal in Thunderhawks, with a capacity of a mere 15 Primaris Marines or rely on ancient and rare Stormbirds. I don't understand why the Overlord is barely mentioned in one novel while no mention is made of rapid deployment texhniques in any codex in whixh they appear.
Deep striking repulsors would be an effective solution. I would have liked the rules to reflect that though.

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Quite frankly, they probably use a model that hasn't been released yet.

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They use the marine transports obviously. Their rules are purely for the reason to make you buy repulsors.

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If a repulsor could do orbital insertion in the game, it might actually justify bringing them.
   
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 argonak wrote:
If a repulsor could do orbital insertion in the game, it might actually justify bringing them.


agreed. I think people'd find a use for a combo land raider/drop pod.

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I mentioned it before but Wards 5th ed BA dex did have Deep Strike Raiders. And yes, fantastic in practice. Lack of inertial Guidance system means they had to be rolled for and scatter could be dangerous but hey, captain and 5 terminators and a redeemer in point blank range was an interesting gambit. Or the fsct they were transports not heavy, and dropping a tac on an obj with the raider fire support in proximity to hold it.

Doing thr same with the repulsors and putting either the same lascannon shots as a raider or a half dozen heavy bolter equivelants and a bajillion s4 shots between storm, stubber and fragstorms in behind intercessors on the obj would be a dire combination. You pay the points for it, but man, you pay a good quarter of the same amount for a drop pods skeletal frame.
Anyway, yeah the answer to my question is probably then the Overlord and it just needs more fluff mentions imo.

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The general answer to this is that there are drop-ships maintained by just about everyone that are too big and too under-armed to make it into proper games of 40k that are used to get things like the Astraeus, the Baneblade, and hundreds or thousands of infantrymen at a time to the ground.

As far as hot-dropping into combat zones go I choose to ignore some of GW's more arbitrary tabletop restrictions on what models can carry Primaris and say that you could almost certainly fit a Repulsor under a Thunderhawk Transporter and/or load Primaris infantry into a Thunderhawk Gunship or a Stormbird, given that the Primarchs are depicted frequently in the 30k lore as riding in Thunderhawks/Stormbirds there's probably enough head-room. There could also exist a Primaris-modified Drop Pod somewhere offscreen, though I have no direct evidence for that one.

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If a normal drop pod can hold a dreadnought in the fluff then it can carry marines 2.0 (the money grab edition). GW simply wants to reboot its most profitable range and the best way to do that is to slowly invalidate/discourage people from people using existing models.
   
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HoundsofDemos wrote:
If a normal drop pod can hold a dreadnought in the fluff then it can carry marines 2.0 (the money grab edition). GW simply wants to reboot its most profitable range and the best way to do that is to slowly invalidate/discourage people from people using existing models.


Addendum: Consider also that "a Drop Pod" isn't one STC pattern that never gets deviated from, there are basic infantry Drop Pods, there were Dreadclaws before the Heresy happened and the Sons of Horus took them all away, there's the Lucius that's bigger and holds bigger Dreadnaughts, and there's the Kharybdiss which is massive and carries 20 models but similarly they were all taken by the Traitors after the Heresy. There could be a bunch of different patterns/models/STC templates that all fit under the heading of "Drop Pod", and even if you accept GW's "ooh, Primaris are too big to fit into Land Raiders" as something other than a money grab there's plenty of room in the lore for a "Primaris Drop Pod".

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This is all very true, thank you. I was thinking about, but somehow failed to mention earlier, the assumption at for extended campaigns things like the Tetrarch and Devourer heavy landers wouldn't be uncommon, or the Epic space marine transport that looks to a Thunderhawk Transporter how a Stormbird looks to a Thunderhawk Gunship.

From Battle for Macgragge over a decade ago, we can see plain as day they use other Navy aircraft and landers like the Aquila lander for example.

I also remember an old limited edition early drop pod, resin cast. Aussie only, I think, it was hexagonal and looks like it had 9 capacity, so that is also a show that drop pods are a whole class, and just because the 5 door standard issue pattern won't hold them doesn't mean there isn't something.


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If you check the rules for Thunderhawks it should tell you how many Primaris it can transport.

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Probably their own super special drop pod only for primaris no one else.

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 Lord Clinto wrote:
If you check the rules for Thunderhawks it should tell you how many Primaris it can transport.


Hawks can manage Primaris, but at the space of 2 other infantry, so then up to 15 and then can't have anything not-Primaris when there are any Primaris on board.
The Sokar seems to have no issue and can fit 50 infantry, with no word said about Primaris, so they are allowed since they are also infantry. Termies, Jump Pack models, Bikers and Centurions take up more, but not a word mentioned about Gravis armour, so while Inceptors can go in taking up 2 spaces as a jump pack model, Aggressors and Captains in Gravis seem to only take one.

It wouldn't surprise me if Roboute woke up, realised there are almost no Stormbirds were left in the Imperium and redesigned what he could remember into the new Overlord, since in the Dark Imperium Novel it seemed like it didn't matter if the marine was in MK7, Mark X or Gravis armour; it could hold 40 men for deployment in any case.

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They don't have to make planetfall.

Unbeknownst to everyone in the Imperium for 10,000 years, Cawl secreted thousands of them on every single planet they would ever be needed upon, hidden perfectly and in suspended animation. They just wake up when they are really, really needed (and not anytime in the 10,000 years before that).

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