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 His Master's Voice wrote:
It just occurred to me that, aside from all the other things that bother me about this miniature, the dude looks like Tommy Wiseau.

Would you say its tearing you apart

CaptainKlang wrote:


Would you say its tearing you apart

It's not tearing me apart it's not oh hey CaptainKlang.

Okay, maybe it's tearing me apart a little...

Surprise MTO coming up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/09/01/sunday-preview-the-children-of-the-great-horned-rat/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_1st_September_Preview_&utm_content=&utm_term=

After all these years they actually do a useful composition of an easterling phalanx Got mine solved already, though.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
After all these years they actually do a useful composition of an easterling phalanx Got mine solved already, though.

Actually they did a MTO of those models a few years ago and I grabbed 2 sets. Back then they were relatively reasonably costed too (well, for GW anyways). I shudder to think what they're going to charge for them now.

As for the rest of this MTO, I already have the Heroes of the West and the Orc Captains, but I wouldn't mind having the metal Minas Tirith Command guys. I think I'll probably give them a miss though, I've got to keep a somewhat tight rein on my wallet for the near future at least.

Hmm looks like I'll get past this MtO relatively unscathed. I need the mounted Gandalf, and I'll maybe get the troll if it's a decent price. But other then Aragorn and Gandalf from Heroes of the west, I've got everything else already thankfully.

Though i'd not say no to another Phalanx of Easterlings....

Sgt. Cortez wrote:After all these years they actually do a useful composition of an easterling phalanx Got mine solved already, though.

It's absolutely criminal that you only get four pikes in the plastic warriors box. Whole bloody box should be pikes.

It's cool that they keep the range in rotation with these - things like Sam and Frodo in Orc armour are pretty niche but nice for collectors to be able to get them without going to the secondary market.

Nothing here that interests me though - I would go for Galadriel if they had the better sculpt, as the one for general sale is pretty bad imo.

 Snrub wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:After all these years they actually do a useful composition of an easterling phalanx Got mine solved already, though.

It's absolutely criminal that you only get four pikes in the plastic warriors box. Whole bloody box should be pikes.

In fairness, the scope of MESBG is small raiding parties, which is an environment where sword and board is very useful. Pikes can be a bit of a liability in small unit skirmishes (although some 16th century writers do actually highly rate pikes in a one-on-one duel).

Not great if expanding up to War of the Ring-sized games though, pikes and spears would predominate there. Although I suppose they could be aiming for something a bit like the pre-Marian Roman legion, with swordsman in the front ranks and spear-armed veterans at the rear.

Edit: the Easterling polearms are halberds in a historical sense, but broadly speaking the above is unchanged in that swords with shields are particularly useful in raiding.

 Da Boss wrote:
Nothing here that interests me though - I would go for Galadriel if they had the better sculpt, as the one for general sale is pretty bad imo.

Ok, out of genuine interest, what's wrong with this sculpt?

 Haighus wrote:
In fairness, the scope of MESBG is small raiding parties, which is an environment where sword and board is very useful. Pikes can be a bit of a liability in small unit skirmishes (although some 16th century writers do actually highly rate pikes in a one-on-one duel).

Not great if expanding up to War of the Ring-sized games though, pikes and spears would predominate there. Although I suppose they could be aiming for something a bit like the pre-Marian Roman legion, with swordsman in the front ranks and spear-armed veterans at the rear.

Edit: the Easterling polearms are halberds in a historical sense, but broadly speaking the above is unchanged in that swords with shields are particularly useful in raiding.

Oh shush shush. Stop bringing your Historically accurate hogwash into this.

The Easterling rules in regards to their weapons is a bit inconsistent though. Just enough to annoy me. The captains get an Easterling Glaive which is treated as a Hand-and-a-half Axe. The war priests get a Battle Stave which can be used as a spear or an axe. And the warriors get their Pikes which is just a double length spear (despite being visually identical to the captains weapon and very similar to the war priests weapon.
Could just not have just had them all the same? The battle stave seems to have the rules that suit the look of the weapon best, pokey on the end with a big bladed chunk metal for hacking at people. The Easterling pikes also aren't nearly long enough to be proper pikes (which normally wouldn't bother me so much as it's a 28mm war game so the proportions are generally a bit skew-wiff, but the other factions that have pikes (Uruk-hai and Dol Amroth both have very long pikes, so I'm prepared to make a point of it.) and so it seems odd to me that they'd be given those rules when the battle stave rules just suit it so much better.

 Snrub wrote:
The Easterling rules in regards to their weapons is a bit inconsistent though. Just enough to annoy me. The captains get an Easterling Glaive which is treated as a Hand-and-a-half Axe. The war priests get a Battle Stave which can be used as a spear or an axe. And the warriors get their Pikes which is just a double length spear (despite being visually identical to the captains weapon and very similar to the war priests weapon.
Could just not have just had them all the same? The battle stave seems to have the rules that suit the look of the weapon best, pokey on the end with a big bladed chunk metal for hacking at people. The Easterling pikes also aren't nearly long enough to be proper pikes (which normally wouldn't bother me so much as it's a 28mm war game so the proportions are generally a bit skew-wiff, but the other factions that have pikes (Uruk-hai and Dol Amroth both have very long pikes, so I'm prepared to make a point of it.) and so it seems odd to me that they'd be given those rules when the battle stave rules just suit it so much better.

The Glaive issue will presumably disappear with the new edition, since it's obviously a fudge to make special strikes relevant for the Captain, and special strikes be dead.

 Snrub wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Nothing here that interests me though - I would go for Galadriel if they had the better sculpt, as the one for general sale is pretty bad imo.

Ok, out of genuine interest, what's wrong with this sculpt?


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Galadriel looks like Noel Fielding and Calaborn looks like he's trying to figure out who farted.

I think the pose and face of Galadriel look goofy, and I would prefer an unhooded head.

It's not awful but not worth what GW are charging for it.

 .Mikes. wrote:

Spoiler:

 Snrub wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Nothing here that interests me though - I would go for Galadriel if they had the better sculpt, as the one for general sale is pretty bad imo.

Ok, out of genuine interest, what's wrong with this sculpt?


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Galadriel looks like Noel Fielding and Calaborn looks like he's trying to figure out who farted.

That's the paintjob, not the sculpt. Looks rather a bit better on the model, or painted here, here, here, here, or here .

The Galadriel sculpt is pretty excellent and the only one I feel captures Blanchett's likeness (although I'm not sure if I've seen both Hobbit-era sculpts in the flesh - but I have yet to see painted versions that make them look appealing); however, the pose certainly isn't ideal aside from specific dioramas. The first White Council sculpt with scary-mirror appearance is more fun for battles, but is very coarse compared to the delicate original sculpt.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 .Mikes. wrote:

Spoiler:

 Snrub wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Nothing here that interests me though - I would go for Galadriel if they had the better sculpt, as the one for general sale is pretty bad imo.

Ok, out of genuine interest, what's wrong with this sculpt?


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Galadriel looks like Noel Fielding and Calaborn looks like he's trying to figure out who farted.

That's the paintjob, not the sculpt. Looks rather a bit better on the model, or painted here, here, here, here, or here .

The Galadriel sculpt is pretty excellent and the only one I feel captures Blanchett's likeness (although I'm not sure if I've seen both Hobbit-era sculpts in the flesh - but I have yet to see painted versions that make them look appealing); however, the pose certainly isn't ideal aside from specific dioramas. The first White Council sculpt with scary-mirror appearance is more fun for battles, but is very coarse compared to the delicate original sculpt.

That last one actually really looks like Cate Blanchett, it's impressive.

She looks like she's singing "Stop! In the name of love!"...with maybe Celebrimbor saying "Think it over...".

THE NEW LAUNCH BOX

AND NEW, ACTUAL NEW WARRIORS OF ROHAN

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Looks great to me

Oh, that's beautiful. Haleth has some interesting barding, but I don't dislike it.

I /hope/ this means some more archaic kits get an update, but even if they're SOL without a standalone film to warrant the investment, it's very good for Rohan and Isengard/Dunland at least

New Rider sculpts on the horizon then?

I'm very interested to see how well the new Rohirrim compare size-wise against the old sculpts. If they're the same height, I'm super keen. New wildmen look fething awesome though. They're everything the Carn-dum warriors aren't. Only thing I'm not 100% sold on is their shields.

Most of the Warriors are decent enough, and seem to be roughly the same size as the Perry ones judging by the bases, but I'm not sure how well they're going to blend with the existing range. The sculpting style is noticeably different.

The Wildmen would have been great, if they weren't breakdancing.

The characters are mostly meh, except for Haleth on foot. Mounted Hama might look better from a different angle.

Those new plastic troops look perfect. Hopefully it sells well and inspires more troop revamps in the future.

That's a fun little starter set. Now I'm wondering if they'll price it to grow the game, or price it to abuse existing fans like they did Battle of Osgiliath. I don't think new Tolkien-derived movies and TV shows are going to have a cultural renaissance, but I could see a place in the tabletop market for the game to grow into.

Let's hope this means cheap Rohan houses on Ebay!

 frankelee wrote:
That's a fun little starter set. Now I'm wondering if they'll price it to grow the game, or price it to abuse existing fans like they did Battle of Osgiliath. I don't think new Tolkien-derived movies and TV shows are going to have a cultural renaissance, but I could see a place in the tabletop market for the game to grow into.

Content looks to be about £260 retail so at £130 (price of Osgiliath) it would be a generous deal by GW standards.

I'm seeing two £32 troop boxes, £80 worth of characters, a rulebook - £40 - and two rohan houses - £63. £247 ish.

Osgiliath was about the same, two troop boxes, sub out one of the characters for the troll, a book and scenery (2 osgiliath ruins, so the same value).

The numbers have to go up to appease the shareholders so I'm guessing £140-150

No Hera? That's quite disappointing. She'd better get the royal treatment from GW...

The rest looks good though.