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 nathan2004 wrote:
Wonder if they plan to print a small new rulebook no fluff but with all the changes?

Yes but not until we're less than 12 months away from a new edition

We are getting a reveal on 7/18 on the preview show. Looked like he was wearing a tomb king hat in the video? Wonder what that means?

And a cowboy hat and a top hat and a jester cap and a pirate hat and a road cone!

 nathan2004 wrote:
We are getting a reveal on 7/18 on the preview show. Looked like he was wearing a tomb king hat in the video? Wonder what that means?

If it's Tomb Kings (if the hats really represent a faction of some sort and that one was for TK), it could be some refresh to the old models. Skeletons are one that need it the most since they are based on the gothic/VC Skeletons of 5th edition with an upgrade sprue tacked on (on top of being a generally bad kit). Just a decent, dedicated TK-flavored infantry kit (or two, they could split melee and range Skeletons to have better models) would be a great place to push the army into a better place, model-wise.

Horsemen and Chariots are old but still perfectly serviceable in the Old World environment of supporting the older model range, but they could also receive a refresh to match if the announcement is chunky enough.

 Robert Facepalmer wrote:
And a cowboy hat and a top hat and a jester cap and a pirate hat and a road cone!

Surely this is too easy to be chorfs, maybe a double mislead?

Pirate hat- Dark Elves or Vampire coast?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Pirate hat- Dark Elves or Vampire coast?

I hope Vampire Coast, but I also vaguely remember people here talking about sky pirate goblins being a lore thing in AOS, so they could always be finally doing them. Which...to be fair, would be really cool.

 kurhanik wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Pirate hat- Dark Elves or Vampire coast?

I hope Vampire Coast, but I also vaguely remember people here talking about sky pirate goblins being a lore thing in AOS, so they could always be finally doing them. Which...to be fair, would be really cool.

I'd rather see hobgoblins than AoS.

 kurhanik wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Pirate hat- Dark Elves or Vampire coast?

I hope Vampire Coast, but I also vaguely remember people here talking about sky pirate goblins being a lore thing in AOS, so they could always be finally doing them. Which...to be fair, would be really cool.

If they actually had the brains to do crossover minis for their games Vampire pirates are in both lore - Vampire Coast seems a good bet as it has a fully fleshed out range via TW building on the original aritcles as well as stuff in the C7 WFRP4th ed. It would also have plenty of dramatic minis and centerpiece models for OW

There are green skin sky pirates and skaven as well I think in AOS

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Pirate hat- Dark Elves or Vampire coast?

Dark Elves or Eldar imo. We've just had Cathay and looks as though it'd be a good bet for Chaos Dwarves for AoS. New model ranges are sorted for time being. High Elves and (even) Wood Elves are now present in Old World. Dark Elves have an impressive, complete array of plastic kits that would easily slot back into the game.

Dark Eldar are due a release so pirate hat could be a reference to either.

Happy to be wrong and get Vampire Coast though, win, win for me!

Not Online!!! wrote:

 kurhanik wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Pirate hat- Dark Elves or Vampire coast?

I hope Vampire Coast, but I also vaguely remember people here talking about sky pirate goblins being a lore thing in AOS, so they could always be finally doing them. Which...to be fair, would be really cool.

I'd rather see hobgoblins than AoS.

Good god I would love to see hobgoblins. Once I've painted up my Ogres I have a bunch of 3d printed hobbos + AOS wolf riders that I plan to make a hobgoblin based Chaos Dwarf army from. If they get their own army list and some of their own models I would be all there for it. That said...not really sure if they lineup with any of the rumors beyond maybe a few hobgrots in AOS, which for whatever reason was never huge on them compared to hobgoblins.

 nathan2004 wrote:
We are getting a reveal on 7/18 on the preview show. Looked like he was wearing a tomb king hat in the video? Wonder what that means?

The Teams of Legend PDF for Blood Bowl still has Tomb Kings and High Elves that haven't been released.

Sky pirate goblins being the crew for the chaos dwarfs evil Kharadron skyships would definitely work.
Bloodbowl isn't on the of shows being previewed, so I think the egyptian headdress feels more likely to be necrons to me

The Old World is on the list though so I’m going to wish for redone TK skeletons because those awful old skeleton kits are basically the only thing that stopped me collecting TK when they first dropped. Both times.
That said, there’s room to make plastic versions of existing TK metals too, like Ushabti.

Now that the armies are all out in the wild to play, it would make sense to start updating old models like they do for other armies and systems.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Now that the armies are all out in the wild to play, it would make sense to start updating old models like they do for other armies and systems.

Are they all out? We strongly suspect there's at least one new faction to come out (Kislev), and depending on how things shake out with Age of Sigmar we may see Legacy armies return to full status (looking at you, Dark Elves).

But, yes, I agree that there are models that could use some updating. Plenty of metal models that could move to plastic, for example.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Now that the armies are all out in the wild to play, it would make sense to start updating old models like they do for other armies and systems.

Are they all out?

I think all the ones they initially announced. Enough to call the core game fully accessible I would say, then they can start updating/adding kits and other factions.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Now that the armies are all out in the wild to play, it would make sense to start updating old models like they do for other armies and systems.

Are they all out? We strongly suspect there's at least one new faction to come out (Kislev), and depending on how things shake out with Age of Sigmar we may see Legacy armies return to full status (looking at you, Dark Elves).

But, yes, I agree that there are models that could use some updating. Plenty of metal models that could move to plastic, for example.

I think legacy fans need to give it a rest. If they were going to do legacy factions for TOW, they wouldn't be releasing chaos dwarfs for AoS, Cathay for TOW, etc. Writing has been on the wall for a long time and its time to finally acknowledge it.

What GW refuses to claim 3rd party producers will take. Unless you're doing an event inside Warhammer World legacy factions aren't going anywhere. Not that GW really needs to do anything other than sell the models for AoS, probably get people buying square bases from them for extra.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Now that the armies are all out in the wild to play, it would make sense to start updating old models like they do for other armies and systems.

Are they all out? We strongly suspect there's at least one new faction to come out (Kislev), and depending on how things shake out with Age of Sigmar we may see Legacy armies return to full status (looking at you, Dark Elves).

But, yes, I agree that there are models that could use some updating. Plenty of metal models that could move to plastic, for example.

I think legacy fans need to give it a rest. If they were going to do legacy factions for TOW, they wouldn't be releasing chaos dwarfs for AoS, Cathay for TOW, etc. Writing has been on the wall for a long time and its time to finally acknowledge it.

Your petulant schadenfreude has been so roundly rejected by the TOW community I wonder why you still bother. There are multiple community FAQs and soft updates for the Legacy armies, they're often welcomed in tournament play, and Legacy players are seen as pillars of the community.

I have an idea why you bother, though: you don't actually play this game. I suspect you're one of those aspirational players who mostly engage with the hobby through commerce -- plowing purchases into your basement to fill a gaping void. You're always quick to tell everyone in every thread how you're buying three copies of every release, but after a couple of years of reading you doing that it's quite apparent that you could not possibly have the time to build, paint and use all of the stuff you talk about.

I'm actually quite proud of the TOW community for doing what it can to support Legacy armies and players and not let GW forget that they provided insufficient scope on the project, and nobody wants this version to override the version everybody knows would be superior.

 Altruizine wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Now that the armies are all out in the wild to play, it would make sense to start updating old models like they do for other armies and systems.

Are they all out? We strongly suspect there's at least one new faction to come out (Kislev), and depending on how things shake out with Age of Sigmar we may see Legacy armies return to full status (looking at you, Dark Elves).

But, yes, I agree that there are models that could use some updating. Plenty of metal models that could move to plastic, for example.

I think legacy fans need to give it a rest. If they were going to do legacy factions for TOW, they wouldn't be releasing chaos dwarfs for AoS, Cathay for TOW, etc. Writing has been on the wall for a long time and its time to finally acknowledge it.

Your petulant schadenfreude has been so roundly rejected by the TOW community I wonder why you still bother. There are multiple community FAQs and soft updates for the Legacy armies, they're often welcomed in tournament play, and Legacy players are seen as pillars of the community.

I have an idea why you bother, though: you don't actually play this game. I suspect you're one of those aspirational players who mostly engage with the hobby through commerce -- plowing purchases into your basement to fill a gaping void. You're always quick to tell everyone in every thread how you're buying three copies of every release, but after a couple of years of reading you doing that it's quite apparent that you could not possibly have the time to build, paint and use all of the stuff you talk about.

I'm actually quite proud of the TOW community for doing what it can to support Legacy armies and players and not let GW forget that they provided insufficient scope on the project, and nobody wants this version to override the version everybody knows would be superior.

You're part right. If you can find the earliest rumors about TOW he was one of the loudest voices gaking on every rumor as false. Right along with the "Just play AOS" crowd.

Its one thing to play a legacy faction (I still have my ogres and legio of azgorh on square bases from days of old, never got around to rebasing them for AoS), its another thing to make every friggin discussion about the game about legacy factions.

Theyre done. Get over it. We have a new game with new factions. Enjoy it.

My big question is why people stopped playing that game if the only thing they waited for was ignoring what GW is doing anyway

Only playing games that are officially supported by GW, in name only because the rules are community made anyway.

There is no hope with GW just a business plan and TOW will only get what said plan allows and not what people hope for.
Once Dark Elves being reworked for AoS we may see them in TOW.
Or all current factions are replaced with something new in future and the amount of legacy armies increase instead of decreas.

If you want an official game to play, play what is there now or just keep playing legacy rules (as if you already ignore GW, there is no real reason favouring the rules over any other versions)

chaos0xomega wrote:
Enjoy it.

Is it really so wrong to say that I would enjoy it more if the Legacy factions were fully supported? I happen to like my Dark Elf army, and it would be nice if it weren't Legacy for Old World since it's a complete afterthought for Age of Sigmar.

I’m gonna split the difference here.

GW have clearly done their sums and had a think, and decided that whilst they’re giving The Old World another shot, it wouldn’t be practical to just put all pre-existing armies back into full production.

Army Books/Arcane Journals take time to write and playtest.

Part of the solution is to focus on a historical period of conflict, and cover the various forces most involved. Cathay is pushing the boat out as an entirely new, never seen since 3rd Ed force.

For everyone else? Here’s a Ravening Hordes, Get You By list. But we’re making it clear that, for now, that’s your lot.

That doesn’t mean “that’s your lot forever and ever and ever”. Just a clear statement of current intent and planning.

Given they’ve been spelunking in the archives, I can see that being the status quo for much longer. Whilst I would like to see older kits from updated forces refreshed (Tomb Skellington, Empire Dinky Knights to name but two) first, who knows what’s going to happen next?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m gonna split the difference here.

GW have clearly done their sums and had a think, and decided that whilst they’re giving The Old World another shot, it wouldn’t be practical to just put all pre-existing armies back into full production.

That's not really what they've done/isn't an accurate assessment of goings on, and people following closely already have the information to determine that.

Vamps and Skaven are perfect examples. Everything in their TOW lists is already in production for AOS. They have new models that came out recently that would have been in development concurrently with TOW development. The reason they are, nevertheless, Legacy armies, is because GW is committed to siloing the SDS and Main Studio sales spreadsheets. That's it, that's all. It was not the negligible effort of slapping the Legacy list and paragraphs of old fluff together that posed an insurmountable obstacle. It was simply that the WHFB models were still in use in AOS and there wasn't a complete, totally separated old range to dredge up and release.

 Altruizine wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m gonna split the difference here.

GW have clearly done their sums and had a think, and decided that whilst they’re giving The Old World another shot, it wouldn’t be practical to just put all pre-existing armies back into full production.

That's not really what they've done/isn't an accurate assessment of goings on, and people following closely already have the information to determine that.

Vamps and Skaven are perfect examples. Everything in their TOW lists is already in production for AOS. They have new models that came out recently that would have been in development concurrently with TOW development. The reason they are, nevertheless, Legacy armies, is because GW is committed to siloing the SDS and Main Studio sales spreadsheets. That's it, that's all. It was not the negligible effort of slapping the Legacy list and paragraphs of old fluff together that posed an insurmountable obstacle. It was simply that the WHFB models were still in use in AOS and there wasn't a complete, totally separated old range to dredge up and release.

Which makes it all the more weird why they shoved the entire Beastman army to the other game, and yet left the Dark Elves sitting doing nothing. Doing the inverse might have made sense (Beastmen had an AoS army book, and the Dark Elves are doing diddly), but what we got is utterly befuddling.

Setting wise, Beastmen were doing nothing in AoS aside from being punching bags in pretty much every other army's books where as they're a major player in ToW.

Dark Elves also still feature very heavily in two AoS armies, people just choose to stay with all the new human units for one of those.

They kind of feature in Cities of Sigmar except for not appearing in ANY of the marketing nor promotion of them what so ever. They are just kind of "there".

The DoK relies on one expansion book that's technically for the previous edition of the game.


Sure the Beastmen don't do much promotion of the story; but honestly the whole Destruction Grand Alliance is basically like that - the huge ork Whaagh that was going on kind of didn't really do anything. It happened and then it stopped happening.

Beastmen however had a book; models; unique terrain. They were in active "safe" development.

Them being pulled was much more of a surprise; just as much as Dark Elves being ignored for 10 years and then not being pulled out along with high elves, dwarves and wood elves ( you know ALL the other non-human replaced models from Cities of Sigmar)

The previews left me with mixed feelings.

I LOVE the narrative arcane journals! Feels like a great way to keep adding new things to the game without constantly redoing armybooks.

The models though....did tomb kings really need 2 new character models? They'd be better off with some new skeletons i think. I also don't love the sculpts, but that is just a taste thing.

Meanwhile: where is my hippogryph! I still can't use that in my Bretonnian army because there has been no release for it.

Love the support for the game!