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 Fayric wrote:
No offence, but you need to be really hooked on nostalgia to appreciate that spawn and the daemon princes today.

For some reason I had (well, still have in the attic) both those princes just with the weapons swapped around. Im just confused why, because I didnt play chaos back then, and didnt have the funds to buy stuff like that. Weird.

I agree. The sword one is like one of the ugliest models GW ever made

I got the spawn model a couple of years ago and haven't gotten around to paint it, yet. I think mine misses one leg/tentacle, looking at it
The model itself is fine, proper body horror, as you can see remains of the warped guy in some places.

 xeen wrote:
I agree. The sword one is like one of the ugliest models GW ever made

Don't Listen to him Derpulies The Mighty! You're beautiful with your giant hands and barely fitting metal wings, and we all know it!

My first Golden Daemon entry in '98 was a Cthulhu made from that model with a metal lictor head

 xeen wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
No offence, but you need to be really hooked on nostalgia to appreciate that spawn and the daemon princes today.

For some reason I had (well, still have in the attic) both those princes just with the weapons swapped around. Im just confused why, because I didnt play chaos back then, and didnt have the funds to buy stuff like that. Weird.

I agree. The sword one is like one of the ugliest models GW ever made

I also agree....out of all the models from Chaos ranges past that they could have made mto, this (very small) selection is very underwhelming.....

I wish the MTO Spawn included the rare metal base, I already have the Spawn but not the base.

 Skywave wrote:
Made to order chaos coming up next weekend

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/09/08/sunday-preview-a-soupcon-of-chaos-in-the-old-world/

Gonna get me a Daemon Prince with sword and a Spawn for sure!

Hmm. I passed on these ugly things when they were new. They're still ugly & I'll pass again.

The three-armed prince with the axe (who I think may have been a named character) served as the base for one of my earliest conversions:

 xeen wrote:
The sword one is like one of the ugliest models GW ever made

Not by a long shot. There were so many far worse sculpts than a generic devil-daemon with large hands and static pose it would take hours to post them all.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
The three-armed prince with the axe (who I think may have been a named character) served as the base for one of my earliest conversions

It wasn't a special character. In fact those two daemon princes are actually the same - just two examples how to build them with the bits. All of them are interchangeable, just the wings are the same.

 Skywave wrote:
Made to order chaos coming up next weekend

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/09/08/sunday-preview-a-soupcon-of-chaos-in-the-old-world/

Gonna get me a Daemon Prince with sword and a Spawn for sure!

Aren't those finecast?

Do you guys think such will be remade with plastic kit? I've noticed loads of metal and finecast -old- units thrown into the gw store under old world, I don't understand this much as often its not even mentioned in the description what material the units are in (so I just guess its probably finecast -_-)

Really not liking the disposessed>mountain holds and aos chaos>ow chaos conversion, that makes me have to rebase a gigantic flippin owned army now..

In general if they were finecast last time they were on sale they'll either come back as metal, or as forgeworld resin

this won't have the totally awful casting quality a lot of the finecast stuff had (so far fewer bubbles, holes and missing bits)

for this made to order it says 'All of these miniatures are made from metal' in the description

GW has pretty much stripped finecast from production.

I think the Icefall Yhetees, Skullmaster, Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut and Sammael are the only things on the store left listed with being made in finecast.

At least when searching for it (it also throws up a bunch of other models that have nothing to do with finecast so its probably also then doing fine and cast as search terms)



Otherwise Finecast is gone. GW is prepared to go back to metals or use regular resin instead of finecast. Finecast never worked right and pinged way more support tickets than normal because of its bubbling, mould damage and other issues. Honestly I was surprised GW stuck with it as long as they did when so many people would outright avoid it.

 Overread wrote:
GW has pretty much stripped finecast from production.

I think the Icefall Yhetees, Skullmaster, Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut and Sammael are the only things on the store left listed with being made in finecast.

At least when searching for it (it also throws up a bunch of other models that have nothing to do with finecast so its probably also then doing fine and cast as search terms)



Otherwise Finecast is gone. GW is prepared to go back to metals or use regular resin instead of finecast. Finecast never worked right and pinged way more support tickets than normal because of its bubbling, mould damage and other issues. Honestly I was surprised GW stuck with it as long as they did when so many people would outright avoid it.

Yeah I've also returned orders for instance the cockatrice and the jabberwock, which are awesome sculpts especially the latter but unworkable.

I can't say I enjoy any resin either, its too unreadible to clean (residu)

I wound up with 3 Cockatrice and then gave up - all had the same bubbling error in the same spot. Granted I can hide it as it was low in the coils so it can be terrain hidden and GW were good at sending replacements.

But yeah when you've a kit that has to be replaced multiple times and still has the same error (because it likely impacted a whole production batch); that's just not a material that works for either party.

 Overread wrote:
GW has pretty much stripped finecast from production.

I think the Icefall Yhetees, Skullmaster, Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut and Sammael are the only things on the store left listed with being made in finecast.

At least when searching for it (it also throws up a bunch of other models that have nothing to do with finecast so its probably also then doing fine and cast as search terms)



Otherwise Finecast is gone. GW is prepared to go back to metals or use regular resin instead of finecast. Finecast never worked right and pinged way more support tickets than normal because of its bubbling, mould damage and other issues. Honestly I was surprised GW stuck with it as long as they did when so many people would outright avoid it.

If it's not Forgeworld/"15+ Expert Kit" but resin it will be Finecast, despite them having killed that brand name for reasons we all know. Most Middle Earth resin kits are still "finecast", for example. For some they returned to metal, but things that were Finecast on release will still be that kind of terrible resin.

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

 Skywave wrote:
Made to order chaos coming up next weekend

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/09/08/sunday-preview-a-soupcon-of-chaos-in-the-old-world/

Gonna get me a Daemon Prince with sword and a Spawn for sure!

Aren't those finecast?

Do you guys think such will be remade with plastic kit? I've noticed loads of metal and finecast -old- units thrown into the gw store under old world, I don't understand this much as often its not even mentioned in the description what material the units are in (so I just guess its probably finecast -_-)

Really not liking the disposessed>mountain holds and aos chaos>ow chaos conversion, that makes me have to rebase a gigantic flippin owned army now..

No, they won't be plastic. They will be some form of resin or metal. Not sure what you mean about not being mentioned in the description, on the English speaking GW sites every product has material stated in the description, likewise you can filter products by the material so you can only browse plastic or metal or resin products, etc.

chaos0xomega wrote:


No, they won't be plastic. They will be some form of resin or metal. Not sure what you mean about not being mentioned in the description, on the English speaking GW sites every product has material stated in the description, likewise you can filter products by the material so you can only browse plastic or metal or resin products, etc.

Thanks, will remember that' didn't know you could filter on mat.

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:


No, they won't be plastic. They will be some form of resin or metal. Not sure what you mean about not being mentioned in the description, on the English speaking GW sites every product has material stated in the description, likewise you can filter products by the material so you can only browse plastic or metal or resin products, etc.

Thanks, will remember that' didn't know you could filter on mat.

All the re-released kits now branded as Old World are indeed well-labeled, which is a big step up from earlier times.
(Forge World) resin can already be distinguished from the range overview, as it will say "Expert Kit" between the product name and the price.
Otherwise, the full product description (after clicking "read more") usually lists the material twice:
Dwarf Command Set - 2nd paragraph: "This multipart resin kit"; 3rd paragraph: "This kit comprises 12 resin components"
Imperial Dwarf Command - 2nd paragraph: "This metal kit"; 3rd paragraph: "This kit contains 4 metal components"
Dwarf Lords with Shieldbearers - 2nd paragraph: "This multipart plastic kit"; 3rd paragraph: "This kit comprises 50 plastic components"

The preview articles on Warhammer Community have been pretty informative most of the time too, which is handy since while it was previously standard for returning kits to be re-released in the same material they were last available in, it can nowadays mean becoming metal if it was Finecast before (even models that were only ever Finecast I think, not just those that had existed as metal before becoming Finecast), or instead transitioning to FW resin.

Made to Order Prices (UK)

Daemon Prince (either) - £31.50
Chaos Spawn - £26.00
Sorcerer Lord on Chaos Steed* - £18.75

* - Who, for some reason, wasn't next to the other new Made to Order items...

Giant Chaos Spawn does not seem expensive? for a monster?

Ouch, I paid €34 for the sorcerer last time it was on made to order.

SU-152 wrote:
Giant Chaos Spawn does not seem expensive? for a monster?

If you say so...

It's not that big of a model.

Didnt that sorcerer have a nice crouching "on foot" version?
It would have been nice to see an alternative to the skinny plastic sorcerer.

SU-152 wrote:
Giant Chaos Spawn does not seem expensive? for a monster?

If you're talking about that MTO spawn it's not a giant spawn, it's the same size as the plastic spawn. The actual giant spawn is 64€.

 Fayric wrote:
Didnt that sorcerer have a nice crouching "on foot" version?
It would have been nice to see an alternative to the skinny plastic sorcerer.

Mostly. The infantry version's left hand is tentacles clutching a tome. Came with a familiar, I recall.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Didnt that sorcerer have a nice crouching "on foot" version?
It would have been nice to see an alternative to the skinny plastic sorcerer.

Mostly. The infantry version's left hand is tentacles clutching a tome. Came with a familiar, I recall.

Ah, yes, looking him up on google, I believe the foot sorcerer had a second face on his back, and i dont think the rider have that.

There were two versions on foot, one limited and a general release. The former had the same style of bladed staff head and an outstretched right hand, while the latter had the tentacles clutching a tome with the same runed staff haft but with three screaming heads at the top instead of a blade. Slightly different poses too, the former more upright and flowing, and the latter was hunched and leaning (and with a face erupting from their back)

Neither were directly the same as the mounted sorcerer, and yet both perfectly passable as a dismounted version

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
There were two versions on foot, one limited and a general release. The former had the same style of bladed staff head and an outstretched right hand, while the latter had the tentacles clutching a tome with the same runed staff haft but with three screaming heads at the top instead of a blade. Slightly different poses too, the former more upright and flowing, and the latter was hunched and leaning (and with a face erupting from their back)

Neither were directly the same as the mounted sorcerer, and yet both perfectly passable as a dismounted version

Hmm, yeah, the horns on its head are more like the latter, but the first has the massive tentacle thing growing from the back of his head like the mounted one has too.

Not sure if asked before (not going to dig through 30 pages of unread commentary) but are we expected to rebase all the disposessed>mountain hold and upcoming chaos units that have been nicked from AOS to be rebranded old world?

Or can they still be used as is, considering.. I have like a full disposessed army now useless. -_-

 Leopold Helveine wrote:
Not sure if asked before (not going to dig through 30 pages of unread commentary) but are we expected to rebase all the disposessed>mountain hold and upcoming chaos units that have been nicked from AOS to be rebranded old world?

Or can they still be used as is, considering.. I have like a full disposessed army now useless. -_-

Okay, so I'm assuming you have an AOS army that you're wanting to run in TOW? Base adapters or movement trays with round slots. Both readily available.


Potentially you have some 8th Ed. stuff still on squares instead? Base adapters or slotted movement trays.


OR


If your game group isn't a bunch of sticklers, run them as is.


If you're asking if they're still viable for AOS? I personally neither know nor care, but they DO have the AOS section of this forum...