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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well finally some real good news for LI, dropping the buy in price is a big deal.

Unfortunately though these look to be a "while stocks last" thing - rather than a long term addition to the range - so more likely to be swallowed up by the whales instead of helping new players into the game.

Glad to see the rest of the fliers and knights finally re-emerge though!

Finally we get the missing fliers, took them long enough.
With that we are now up to date and only waiting for the next expansion.

Those Battlegroups are nice to see but couldn't they have announced them one week earlier before I bought everything in there on its own

Also surprised we still don't have the Titan/Knight Battlegroups. They might not have wanted to release 4 big Battlegroups in the same week but again, there is nothing else left to release until the next expansion so either we will get the Titan/Knight Battlegroups on their own someday which would be a bit random. Or they wait even longer until the next expansion and since I don't expect that one before end of August/start of September, would make it at least whole year since they got revealed

The bundles are pretty decent and I hope they're good enough value to grab people and get them into the game.

I don't think I'll be buying any more infantry or support boxes for SA any time soon so I won't be needing the box set.

Just GIVE me the titan battle group box!!

Wrong info ignore

 xttz wrote:
Looks like around £105 for the battleforces:

I wonder if they will be blink and you miss it pre-orders or if they’ve got a decent amount of them so people don’t miss out. I don’t need one, but my buddies really do.

Fingers crossed it's "while stocks last" in the same vein as the Legiones Astartes Battle Group for 28mm Heresy that you can still buy after half a year.

I kind of doubt it but I would like to get my hands on some.

How many knights came in the AT version of the Cerastus Acheron/Castigator kit? I always thought it was 2, but at $79, that would be a hard pass.

Four Knights. Its the Cerastus Lancer pack that comes with only two.

 Kothra wrote:
Fingers crossed it's "while stocks last" in the same vein as the Legiones Astartes Battle Group for 28mm Heresy that you can still buy after half a year.

I kind of doubt it but I would like to get my hands on some.

It will entirely depend on how well they judge popularity. Overestimate popularity, they'll be sitting on shelves for years, underestimate it and it'll be sold out within an hour of the preorders going up.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kothra wrote:
Fingers crossed it's "while stocks last" in the same vein as the Legiones Astartes Battle Group for 28mm Heresy that you can still buy after half a year.

I kind of doubt it but I would like to get my hands on some.

It will entirely depend on how well they judge popularity. Overestimate popularity, they'll be sitting on shelves for years, underestimate it and it'll be sold out within an hour of the preorders going up.

It will likely be both, the Astartes box will be gone fast while the Solar Aux box will be available for a while.
As far as I can see while the SA have been more popular than originally thought before launch, it wasn't really that hard to get what you want so most people probably don't need much more unless you are a new player. The Marines on the other hand have been quite limited, especially the Infantry box with their Terminators, so I can see a lot of existing players snapping up any of those battlegroups

Would you say that if one was to start collecting LI for real, and wanted to have both SA and Astartes armies, you could get a decent start by buying the starter, and one of both battleforces? These are looking like they complement each other perfectly in terms of units on offer.. and those three boxes, if bought from a discounter, would end up costing a reasonable amount considering what you get? Or better yet, throw in the current AT starter, making it 4 boxes total?

Hmmmmmmmmm

All four of those boxes would be all you would need for Leigions, for both sides of the table. Throw in a pack of the Cerastus Lancers and you would have a solid matched-play game of Titanicus, once again for both sides of the table.

 tauist wrote:
Would you say that if one was to start collecting LI for real, and wanted to have both SA and Astartes armies, you could get a decent start by buying the starter, and one of both battleforces? These are looking like they complement each other perfectly in terms of units on offer.. and those three boxes, if bought from a discounter, would end up costing a reasonable amount considering what you get? Or better yet, throw in the current AT starter, making it 4 boxes total?

While that's a hefty chunk of change, I'd say yes, that would give you a very good start. The problem with both the starter box, and these battleforces in isolation, is that in a number of cases they give you half of a Detachment – so as an example, the starter box will give you two stands of Assault Marines, rather than the four stands you need for a standalone Detachment. (There are ways round that, with weird upgrades and awkward Formations, but they always felt like a sticking plaster solution). In general, the Solar Auxilia are less affected by this because their sprues tally up better with the army list.

Having both the starter box and battleforces will give you a much more simple and rounded army in each case – though even here, you'll end up with half Detachments of Astartes Tarantulas.

In total, you'll end up with:

Astartes
- 4 Kratos Heavy Tanks,
- 10 Rhino transports,
- 4 Leviathan Dreadnoughts,
- 4 Deredeo Dreadnoughts,
- 4 Rapier batteries*,
- 4 Tarantulas*,
- 4 Command Squads,
- 16 Tactical Legionary bases,
- 4 Terminator bases,
- 4 Assault Marine bases,
- 4 plasma Support Legionary bases,
- 4 Missile Support Legionary bases,
- 8 Contemptor Dreadnoughts,
- 3 Predators
- 2 Sicarans
- 4 Outrider bases,
- 6 Scimitar jetbike bases,
- 4 Javelins,
- 4 Land Speeders.

Those marked with * are below minimum size for the Detachment, so you'd 'need' another Astartes Support box to field them.
People fairly commonly spread out the specialists (e.g. four Terminators/Assault/Missile Marines to a base, rather than five) for space on the base, so depending on your preference, these numbers are flexbile.

Solar Auxilia
These are much better off than the Marines, with a really solid little army.

- 2 Baneblade super-heavy tanks that can alternately be built as Hellhammers,
- 12 Rapier batteries,
- 4 Cyclops remote bombs,
- 4 Tarantula sentry guns,
- 4 Legate Commander bases,
- 16 Auxiliary bases,
- 8 Veletarii bases,
- 8 Auxiliary bases with flamers,
- 8 Charonite Ogryn bases,
- 8 Aethon Heavy Sentinels,
- 6 Dracosan transport tanks,
- 12 Leman Russ Strike tanks outfitted with battle cannons or Vanquisher cannons.
- 2 Malcador Tanks

... and a pair of Warhound Titans.


As an example of what you'd be able to field, here's a 1903pt Solar Auxilia list

New List 1903 / 2000pts
Gamemode: Standard
Loyalist Solar Auxillia
Formations 4
Solar Auxilia Armoured Company, 895pts
Formation Strength: 16

Break Point: 8

Compulsory

HQ: Tank Commander (1), 10pts

Battle Tank: Leman Russ Strike Squadron (6), 260pts
2 Additional Leman Russ 85pts
x6
Turret: Leman Russ battlecannon
Hull: Heavy bolters

Battle Tank: Leman Russ Strike Squadron (6), 260pts
2 Additional Leman Russ 85pts
x6
Turret: Leman Russ battlecannon
Hull: Heavy bolters

Heavy Armour: Auxilia Super-Heavy Tank Squadron (1), 100pts
x1
Turret: Baneblade cannon
Sponsons: Heavy bolters
Optional

Battle Tank: Malcador Tank Squadron (2), 165pts
x2
Turret: Malcador battlecannon
Hull: Heavy bolter
Sponsons: Heavy bolters

Heavy Armour: Auxilia Super-Heavy Tank Squadron (1), 100pts
x1
Turret: Baneblade cannon
Sponsons: Heavy bolters
Solar Auxilia Mechanised Infantry Sub-cohort, 626pts
Formation Strength: 37

Break Point: 19

Compulsory

HQ: Legate Commander Detachment (1), 16pts

Core: Auxilia Lasrifle Tercio (8), 54pts
4 Additional Auxiliaries 24pts

Core: Auxilia Lasrifle Tercio (8), 54pts
4 Additional Auxiliaries 24pts

Support: Auxilia Ogryn Charonite Section (8), 80pts
4 Additional Charonite Ogryn 30pts
Optional

Vanguard: Auxilia Aethon Heavy Sentinel Patrol (4), 60pts
2 Additional Sentinel 25pts

Vanguard: Auxilia Aethon Heavy Sentinel Patrol (4), 60pts
2 Additional Sentinel 25pts

Support: Auxilia Cyclops Detachment (4), 80pts
2 Additional Cyclops 40pts
x4
Charge: Demolition charge

Dedicated: Auxilia Dracosan Detachment (6), 222pts
5 Additional Dracosan 185pts
x6
Hull: Twin lascannons
Solar Auxilia Pioneer Company, 191pts
Formation Strength: 11

Break Point: 6

Compulsory

HQ: Auxilia Tactical Command (1), 10pts

Core: Auxilia Veletaris Storm Section (4), 40pts

Bastion: Auxilia Tarantula Battery (6), 51pts
2 Additional Tarantula 15pts
x6
Main: Hyperios air-defence missile launcher

Bastion: Auxilia Rapier Battery (6), 90pts
3 Additional Rapier 40pts
x4
Main: Quad-launcher
x2
Main: Mole mortar
Solar Auxilia Pioneer Company, 191pts
Formation Strength: 11

Break Point: 6

Compulsory

HQ: Auxilia Tactical Command (1), 10pts

Core: Auxilia Veletaris Storm Section (4), 40pts

Bastion: Auxilia Tarantula Battery (6), 51pts
2 Additional Tarantula 15pts
x6
Main: Tarantula lascannon battery

Bastion: Auxilia Rapier Battery (6), 90pts
3 Additional Rapier 40pts
x4
Main: Laser destroyer array
x2
Main: Mole mortar

 Apologist wrote:

Having both the starter box and battleforces will give you a much more simple and rounded army in each case – though even here, you'll end up with half Detachments of Astartes Tarantulas.

...

Those marked with * are below minimum size for the Detachment, so you'd 'need' another Astartes Support box to field them.
People fairly commonly spread out the specialists (e.g. four Terminators/Assault/Missile Marines to a base, rather than five) for space on the base, so depending on your preference, these numbers are flexbile.

To my reading that is not wholly correct. Per the rulebook Legion Rapiers are Detachment size 2 and Tarantulas are detachment size 4; thus the battleforce box provides you with fieldable sizes of both. While you do have the issue of not being able to field tarantulas as purely one weapon without buying a second box, the actual detachment allows the fielding of either weapon in the same detachment.

Hmm.

5% increase on the Astartes and Solar Auxilia. Boxes. Gone from £30 to £31.50.

Still decent discounts out there though. My local provider has them for £26.50 a pop, which remains agreeable.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hmm.

5% increase on the Astartes and Solar Auxilia. Boxes. Gone from £30 to £31.50.

Still decent discounts out there though. My local provider has them for £26.50 a pop, which remains agreeable.

We've seen a €1 increase on the boxes here. Its not great, but I'll keep buying for now. I get a lot enjoyment out of kits even if they have long crept past the price point I find acceptable for 6mm minis.

I've brought a stack of the new big bundle sets to compensate the price increase. With local store discount on top, its makes them insane value compared to buying anything separately later on. Its almost two whole boxes for free in each set.

I've told the misses if she needs anything from the local store to hit the free postage cap for the rest of the year, then to keep adding Leman Russ strike squadrons for now. I'm happy for her to keep hoarding them until christmas if needed. I only have 40 in total from the sets ordered this morning, I'm going to need a lot more for the amount of space-skaven that arrived the other week! I'm already deep into painting them but lack modern scale firepower!

I guess the upside for me is I’m through the spending pain barrier. As in, I’ve a solid amount of infantry - the stuff you typically need multiple boxes of. Don’t get me wrong, One Box does contain fieldable units. But for decently sized, in-game useful sized units you probably want two or three. (I went with there, but I don’t present as an authority)

And that does get expensive, especially given how cheap they are in points.

From here on out, I suspect I’ll mostly be adding armour. And that tends to be One Box = One Practical Unit. Not maximum size, but useful sized.

Spesh on stuff like Xiphons where I really don’t think I’ll ever need more than one box. Storm Eagles maybe I’ll want two. Haven’t properly looked at their rules just yet. Which is a job for today.

The porphies are calling out to me "One of each of us for your two maniples, sir! Not even for old times sake?".

I must resist temptation and wait out for the Mechanicus

I'm in the "Actually need to finish painting what I have and then play a game with it before buying more" category.

 blockade23 wrote:
I'm in the "Actually need to finish painting what I have and then play a game with it before buying more" category.

Once you've been in there long enough it stops working as a method to prevent more buying

Overread wrote:I must resist temptation and wait out for the Mechanicus

I want the Mech really bad, way more than anything that is out know. But the risk of waiting means that by the time the mechanicus gets released I'd find there might be a huge backlog of older kits I might want to get on top a whole new army. Better to buy every thing now, buy way too much and hope I 'grow into it' all

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I guess the upside for me is I’m through the spending pain barrier. As in, I’ve a solid amount of infantry - the stuff you typically need multiple boxes of. Don’t get me wrong, One Box does contain fieldable units. But for decently sized, in-game useful sized units you probably want two or three. (I went with there, but I don’t present as an authority)

And that does get expensive, especially given how cheap they are in points.

From here on out, I suspect I’ll mostly be adding armour. And that tends to be One Box = One Practical Unit. Not maximum size, but useful sized.

Spesh on stuff like Xiphons where I really don’t think I’ll ever need more than one box. Storm Eagles maybe I’ll want two. Haven’t properly looked at their rules just yet. Which is a job for today.

Thats the one downside of sticking with third edition rules, there is no safety net of only ever needing just one box of anything! Always room to have multiples of everything, even if they end up on the backlog shelf for a rainy day!

I just went for a box each of Fire Raptors and Storm Eagles, that’s me set for the time being I think. I’d like some of the other knights and titans too, but that’s for in a few months time I think.

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