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My own thoughts are the game works well at 1.5 or 2k (with 4x4 board for 1.5k and 5x4 board for 2k). If you want to go 2.5-3k I would go for a 6x4 board, just because you have room for maneuver and it makes the game more interesting. With the caveat that if you want to field one of the bigger titans as a points sink you can go above that, but I think the game is missing the more expensive units (perhaps just getting there now with Super Heavy formations) - otherwise the setup reminds me of playing old edition Orks or IG in 40k where you had everything crammed at the back of the table.

Most of the non-official events seem to be 2 or 2.5k (I'm attending one later in the month which is 2.5k, but only two games in a day, which gives some idea of points size/playing time).

My personal preference is to collect to 3k, then play 1.5k or 2k and then you can have some variety with the type of army you field.

I haven't played much LI beyond the odd introduction game, open-style, but I'd go with Pacific's advice on game sizes.

Pistols at Dawn wrote:
What points do you guys play at?

I’ve been doing a campaign with my buddy and we usually play at 3000 points.

Our campaign at the moment is 3k per side although we are talking of bigger games including 2 or more people per side.

Rumors say the next Book will be Molech.

Do you think we get new Models and Rules for the Knights Households?

The Solar Auxillia Range seems like to be completed?

They announced Titan and Knight battlegroup bundles a whole year ago, so they need to get them out the door now.

RazorEdge wrote:
Rumors say the next Book will be Molech.
Do you think we get new Models and Rules for the Knights Households?
The Solar Auxillia Range seems like to be completed?

Releases thus far haven't tallied too closely to the theme of the book (Astartes Fast Attack for Titandeath, for example), but it wouldn't surprise me to see the Mechanicus Knights and Acastus Knights arrive in plastic alongside a book about the Battle of Molech. Molech involved the Sons and Horus and Death Guard, so likely to see some Formations of Legend for those two at least.

Outstanding Solar Auxilia include the rotor cannons and volkite* Storm Sections, Hermes and Hermes Veletaris Light Sentinels, and Medical sections. Those would all fit on one sprue.

Where did you hear the rumour, out of interest?



* There are two on the infantry sprue, but no rules for dedicated volkite stands as yet.

RazorEdge wrote:
Rumors say the next Book will be Molech.

Are these rumours in the thread with us now?

RazorEdge wrote:
Do you think we get new Models and Rules for the Knights Households?

The Solar Auxillia Range seems like to be completed?

Solar mainly need another infantry sprue to cover the remaining plastic 28mm options. The Aurox & Carnodon are also possible, but those kinda overlap with the existing tanks and might wait a while until the larger scale versions are nearer to a plastic version too.

One notable absence since the launch of the game is the box artwork for the Atrapos / Syrix / Magaera knights included in the main rulebook. I assume that means they will eventually get the Arvus resin->plastic treatment, hopefully alongside Armigers. This is also a release GW will probably want to push out before moving onto Mechanicum.

A Molech book themed around Knight household rules, also containing heavier space marine units like tank destroyers / Glaive / Fellblade, and released alongside plastic knights & the battleforce box would neatly tie up a lot of gaps in the LI range.

In GW's marketing article about recreating the big battles in Legions Imperialis, the battles listed are Isstvan III, Tallarn, Isstvan V, Molech and Beta-Garmon. Obviously not a confirmation or anything, but the fact GW see it as one of the key battles means it's not quite tinfoil hat territory to expect an expansion. Note also that Tallarn and Beta-Garmon are the two settings for the existing expansion books.

Molech is the best option to feature Knights. The linked article emphasises Ultramarines and Blood Angels (though the novel makes it clear there were fewer than 500 loyalist Marines in total), and I think it unlikely GW will release an expansion without Loyalist Marines. With that said, I'd hope they'd make more of the Knights in particular here. We had an all-Titan mode in Beta-Garmon, and an all-tank mode in Tallarn, so an all-Knight mode would be a fair guess, I think.

Isn't the all-knight mode the same as the all-titan mode?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Isn't the all-knight mode the same as the all-titan mode?

Depends, it could just a new game mode that encourages knight lists in a similar way to the Tallarn rules favours tank-based lists.

There's also nothing really stopping them from adding Knight households as a new Primary Army option, with their own formations and list building requirements. I'm sure that can be done in a way that doesn't skew the game to the degree that an all-Titan force would.

I'm not entirely sure if I read the Molech rumors here on Dakkadakka or B&C..., or on another place...

They could expand Knight Hosehoulds with something like "Household Infantry".

What is also missing from the Solar Auxiliar - AA-Tanks.

Rules for the Aurox APC would be a nice oportunity to use Rhinos on them, like older Background mentioned Rhinos during the Great Crusade as "not Astartes only".

A interesting "Formation of Legend" would be that Blood Angels Dettachment on Molech with arrount less than 1000 Marines.

Still a chunk that could be done for Solar Auxilia:

- Aurox
- Carnodon
- Storm Section + Volkites
- Support Section + Rotor Cannons
- Light Sentinels
- Minotaur
- Bombard
- Destroyer Tank Hunter (Silhouette seen on Great Slaughter Cards)
- Thunderer Siege Tank

We already got light sentinels?

Not for Epic we’ve not.

The heavy, yes. But not the wee wee ones.

 Apologist wrote:


Molech is the best option to feature Knights. The linked article emphasises Ultramarines and Blood Angels (though the novel makes it clear there were fewer than 500 loyalist Marines in total), and I think it unlikely GW will release an expansion without Loyalist Marines. With that said, I'd hope they'd make more of the Knights in particular here. We had an all-Titan mode in Beta-Garmon, and an all-tank mode in Tallarn, so an all-Knight mode would be a fair guess, I think.

Note that GW can always change the background. Remember how back in the day the battle for Istvaan V was only Marines? Now it has Titans and Imperial Army (Solar Auxilia?) formations as well. I can imagine that Molech could be changed in that regard to suit the product placement needs of the studio

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not for Epic we’ve not.

The heavy, yes. But not the wee wee ones.

Sorry brainfart, thought we were talking big horus heresy

Easily done

I’m really hoping we start to see some bigger stuff in the next year or so. After all, 28mm isn’t practical for much bigger than a Baneblade (and even then they’re perhaps pushing it). But Epic? Go for it.

It will be interesting, when the Mechanicum gets an 8mm release, if they introduce anything truly new (or even reimagined old stuff like the named ordinatus).

I’ll be disappointed if they limit themselves to only the stuff that they have available in the 28 mm game.

I hope they bring back the capitol Imperialis while they are at it.

I’d expect the first two or three waves to follow suit, and be debigulated existing stuff, hopefully with fancier toys to come later.


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Also, from a Grumpy Grognard point of view not-quite-a-grump as “not so far” doesn’t mean “never”?

The original incarnations of Epic expanded the lore of 40K massively. Simply put, and supported by GW staff interviews on YouTube? The tiny scale allowed them to create a far wider variety of arms and armour than 28mm allowed at a time when your plastic vehicles were the Rhino, Predator, Land Raider and Battlewagon.

And so it brought us….pretty much everything else we take for granted now. All the Imperial Guard Tanks (the Chimera debuting in Titan Legions, and being an adaptation of the Basilisk chassis), Eldar tanks, Orky tanks and so on and so forth. All born in Epic, before eventually being brought into 40K years later.

And that’s kinda what I want to see Legions Imperialis explore. Of course, modern GW is a very different beast, and an awful lot of stuff is now available without ever having existed in Epic before. But there is still room for “all new, all tiny” stuff to debut in due course.


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Now I think of it? The Heavy Sentinel is our first example of that. Only a very modest start, but we have to recognise it absolutely is a start.

Hmm, MDG touches on a good point there; I don't know that GW is necessarily interested in making new 30k stuff in either size given there's already so much on the wishlist, but then... the sentinels are new, after all. If LI is primarily aiming for the nostalgia market (which may or may not be the case) I'd think Ordinatii and that ilk are more likely than entirely new designs.

semajnollissor wrote:
It will be interesting, when the Mechanicum gets an 8mm release, if they introduce anything truly new (or even reimagined old stuff like the named ordinatus).

I’ll be disappointed if they limit themselves to only the stuff that they have available in the 28 mm game.

I hope they bring back the capitol Imperialis while they are at it.

Best to mentally prepare oneself for disappointment…

TBF neither the Dire Wolf nor the missile and melts options for the Warhound exist in 28mm scale, and neither does the Warmaster so they aren’t averse to adding big things like that…

Honestly the scale of the game should make GW more prone to creating new/rare/larger things that just won't ever appear in 40K. The only barrier might be a manager refusing to let them do that incase "customers will want it for HH scale and we can't do that" attitudes

 Overread wrote:
Honestly the scale of the game should make GW more prone to creating new/rare/larger things that just won't ever appear in 40K. The only barrier might be a manager refusing to let them do that incase "customers will want it for HH scale and we can't do that" attitudes

I'm sure these things will come someday in the future but I'm also sure they will want to finish nearly everything else first. So while it would make sense to release Ordinatus for Mechanicus when they get introduced I wouldn't expect them until most of the rest of the army exists in epic scale.

Also while that isn't exactly the same situation, that argument didn't stop them from releasing new planes for Aeronautica that never got a 28mm version

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Easily done

I’m really hoping we start to see some bigger stuff in the next year or so. After all, 28mm isn’t practical for much bigger than a Baneblade (and even then they’re perhaps pushing it). But Epic? Go for it.

100 times this - there is really an opportunity to do some absolutely amazing stuff that 28mm scale won't allow. I would like to see what GW managed to do last time with Epic, and then go further as the production technologies are so much better now. The only caveat is that Legions isn't a 'main' game in the same way Epic Space Marine and Epic 40,000 were, and so must be getting much fewer resources than those games had in the past. That might be the ultimate limiting factor.

Well, I like to think of it as “isn’t a main game, yet”.

It has a tonne of potential, and for my money the best ever sculpts its scale has ever seen.

To give a more appropriately scaled Capitol Imperialis, or equivalents, larger Space Marine landers/flyers, Ordinatus Majoris, more varied Knights (c’mon quadruped!) and so on? The scope and potential is absolutely there.

I know that compared to the 1st and 2nd Ed all the weapon traits and special rules seem a lot, but they’re not as bad as you might first think. Light, Light AT and Anti-Tank are easy enough because they’re so common. They also provide greater design space in an otherwise nicely straight forward “roll to hit, modify save, save if you can” system.

I’d have preferred Titans to be the old step apart with hit locations and different damage process, but we can’t have everything.


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Especially the Ordinatus Majoris, which were originally singular creations of a demented genius, figuring out just how big a gun you can stick on treads.

The Sagittar and Ullator could be done in squadrons, even. Because why not! Not to mention bring further variants.

A quad-legged Knights would be interesting; A small one als "APC" for Knights Hosehould Infantry, or a super Heavy "Turtle" like Kinight with smaller weapons and slow but very hzeavy armoured.

Epic Scale seems to feel right for the Horus Heresy (or the Creat Crusade) as those Settings are told to have many "Epic" Battles.

I think it's clear that GW needs to do something, I'm more excited for armoured clash and epic warpath, games from companies who's past offerings didn't really do anything for me at all, than I am for LI.

Let’s be honest, rules need tightened up some first. I think that is rapidly becoming the biggest issue with LI now that minis are more available.