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Obviously editions evolve. But im not talking about situations where someone tries to claim they wiped
their opponent's tactical marine squad (for example) by claiming they only have one wound per model. (They have two nowadays). Which i have seen before. Rarely.

Im not even talking about situations where a paragraph gets rewritten between one edition and the following edition.

Im talking people saying, for example, lore note X in the Zth core rulebook is wrong because lore note X was written differently in Yth. Or event B in Wth didnt happen because event B wasnt mentioned in any previous editions etc.

I was browsing discord and reddit and ive noticed more and more people taking that sort of stance.

The background is less a carefully researched history, cross referenced and ordered according to number of sources, and more a big old mess of in-universe opinions based on in-universe limited perspectives.

The key to spot the difference in many folks telling the same tale, and outright changes in the tale.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The background is less a carefully researched history, cross referenced and ordered according to number of sources, and more a big old mess of in-universe opinions based on in-universe limited perspectives.

The key to spot the difference in many folks telling the same tale, and outright changes in the tale.

Ahh. I was meaning more people refusing to acknowledge primaris are a thing or those who insist Chief Librarian Tigirius is still half-eldar

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
a big old mess of in-universe opinions based on in-universe limited perspectives.

thus "everything is canon, not everything is true"

mithril2098 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
a big old mess of in-universe opinions based on in-universe limited perspectives.

thus "everything is canon, not everything is true"

Does that we're allowed to play SM and CSM with only 1W? Because it was canon that they only had 1W

There is a big disconnect between lore and game mechanics.

For the background, everything and nothing is cannon. People can edit what they think is their headcannon, but should be polite and accept that other people might have different opinions.

For game mechanics the assumption is that everyone is using the most recent edition of the game with current rules unless otherwise agreed. This gets refreshed every ~3 years. There might be some older stuff that can be worked into 10th, (like most missions) but you should discuss that with your opponent.

The “whatever you want” vibe most defiantly does not apply to rules and stats. At least not without a bunch of pre-game negotiation with your opponent.

Because you will never see the erratic and truly strange occurances of the game end up in the lore.

For instance, here are three in game events that would not translate well.

It's a shame that Commander Farsight died from being run over by a Rhino.

Did you see those three Imperial Knight Crusaders charge Valerian and then curb stomp him into submission? That poor Custodes had no chance against three Knights with no arms.

Did you see what happened to Shadowsun's army? A bunch of Orks showed up and outshot the Tau! All those Tau died at long range!

the-gentleman-ranker wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The background is less a carefully researched history, cross referenced and ordered according to number of sources, and more a big old mess of in-universe opinions based on in-universe limited perspectives.

The key to spot the difference in many folks telling the same tale, and outright changes in the tale.

Ahh. I was meaning more people refusing to acknowledge primaris are a thing or those who insist Chief Librarian Tigirius is still half-eldar

Can't speak for others, but since this is a game you can use as a sandbox, in the end, you may do whatever you please and that's what we call head cannon. I hate most post Cadia lore and pretend it does'nt exist, personnaly. So i'll take bits of newer lore I like (hive krons for example) and integrate them in my headcanon as I see fit. And nobody's stopping me from oing it because nobody cares. Besides, half eldar tigerius is way to fun to dismiss lol.

I believe I may not be the only personne doing that and simply enoying himself that way.

On the other hand, I'm totally fine with people liking it, or with people having different takes on the lore and having fun with it. I used to cringe a bit at the primaris and stuff and be very disappointed, but growing up and working (if the army counts as """"work""") I quiclky learnt the value of just leaning back, taking it easy and letting everyone have his fun because at the end of the day official lore or not it oesn't matter: it's a game, a mere excuse to spend time with friends, people in generals, and get creative.

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:

the-gentleman-ranker wrote:

Ahh. I was meaning more people refusing to acknowledge primaris are a thing or those who insist Chief Librarian Tigirius is still half-eldar

Can't speak for others, but since this is a game you can use as a sandbox, in the end, you may do whatever you please and that's what we call head cannon. I hate most post Cadia lore and pretend it does'nt exist, personnaly. So i'll take bits of newer lore I like (hive krons for example) and integrate them in my headcanon as I see fit. And nobody's stopping me from oing it because nobody cares. Besides, half eldar tigerius is way to fun to dismiss lol.

Tigurius was never half-Eldar, that was Illiyan Nastase.

Also, Bobby G and Yvraine's kid.

As long as we can all agree the first, and original Inquisitor: Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau, was the best named character from Rogue Trader.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Did you see what happened to Shadowsun's army? A bunch of Orks showed up and outshot the Tau! All those Tau died at long range!

Don't worry they'll nerf More Dakka soon.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Because you will never see the erratic and truly strange occurances of the game end up in the lore.

For instance, here are three in game events that would not translate well.

It's a shame that Commander Farsight died from being run over by a Rhino.

Did you see those three Imperial Knight Crusaders charge Valerian and then curb stomp him into submission? That poor Custodes had no chance against three Knights with no arms.

Did you see what happened to Shadowsun's army? A bunch of Orks showed up and outshot the Tau! All those Tau died at long range!

I would love if this happened in the lore. It would be super refreshing to see this instead of all the BIG DAMN HEROES with impenetrable plot armour.

"But the universe is a big place and, whatever happens, you will not be missed..."

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Because you will never see the erratic and truly strange occurances of the game end up in the lore.

Captain Tycho has entered the chat

 Crimson wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Because you will never see the erratic and truly strange occurances of the game end up in the lore.

For instance, here are three in game events that would not translate well.

It's a shame that Commander Farsight died from being run over by a Rhino.

Did you see those three Imperial Knight Crusaders charge Valerian and then curb stomp him into submission? That poor Custodes had no chance against three Knights with no arms.

Did you see what happened to Shadowsun's army? A bunch of Orks showed up and outshot the Tau! All those Tau died at long range!

I would love if this happened in the lore. It would be super refreshing to see this instead of all the BIG DAMN HEROES with impenetrable plot armour.

"But the universe is a big place and, whatever happens, you will not be missed..."

I still remember the 13th Black Crusade campaign. Well. The first one. And Medusa V

 Quixote wrote:
As long as we can all agree the first, and original Inquisitor: Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau, was the best named character from Rogue Trader.

Except we should also agree that none of the inquisitors in those pictures are actually Obiwan, who is described very differently in the book's text

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Quixote wrote:
As long as we can all agree the first, and original Inquisitor: Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau, was the best named character from Rogue Trader.

Except we should also agree that none of the inquisitors in those pictures are actually Obiwan, who is described very differently in the book's text

Shhh! They don't know that... plus, I can't find any picture that works.